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August 05, 2008 at
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A poster (HDsmoke20) over on the Norcal board writes...
"When was the last time a primarily non-wing driver put on a wing and won a premier winged show? The biggest non-wing show of the last 10 or 15 years was the Mopar Million at Eldora and that was won by a winged driver, Jac Haudenschild, and second place went to a driver who, according to the Open Wheel Times driver search, had never made a non-winged sprint start before and hasn't made one since, Stevie Smith. The top CRA/SCRA drivers of the 1990s and early 2000s had all run wings for a good stretch of time before dominating the non-wing sprints: McSpadden, Griffin, Boat, Shuman and Gardner. I'll put money on a winged driver winning at least 1 night of the upcoming USAC/CRA race at Calistoga, whether it be a Kaeding, Statler, Forsberg, York or someone else.
I took the bet.
"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza" -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS
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August 05, 2008 at
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Lastest universal driver of success in my opinion is Brad Sweet
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August 05, 2008 at
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Posted By: Tripcrwn on August 05 2008 at 01:56:42 AM
A poster (HDsmoke20) over on the Norcal board writes...
"When was the last time a primarily non-wing driver put on a wing and won a premier winged show? The biggest non-wing show of the last 10 or 15 years was the Mopar Million at Eldora and that was won by a winged driver, Jac Haudenschild, and second place went to a driver who, according to the Open Wheel Times driver search, had never made a non-winged sprint start before and hasn't made one since, Stevie Smith. The top CRA/SCRA drivers of the 1990s and early 2000s had all run wings for a good stretch of time before dominating the non-wing sprints: McSpadden, Griffin, Boat, Shuman and Gardner. I'll put money on a winged driver winning at least 1 night of the upcoming USAC/CRA race at Calistoga, whether it be a Kaeding, Statler, Forsberg, York or someone else.
I took the bet.
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I'm afraid you lose.Tripcrwn ! It seems to me its A whole lot easier to take the crutch off than put it on JMO.
ROB
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August 05, 2008 at
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August 05, 2008 at
09:29:42 PM by BIGFISH
Tripcrwn, you can tell that guy that Boat certainly didn't "run wings for a good stretch of time" if fact he didn't run them much at all. ..Same thing with Griffin, he ran them some very early on, but made his mark doing it right. Jac, loved seeing him take the wing off at Manzy. He did it more than any other driver I can think of and ran without them often early on but man, did he take some bad rides on the big 1/2 or what..
Kenny
Half the lies they tell about me aren't true.
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August 06, 2008 at
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August 06, 2008 at
12:03:17 PM by HDsmoke20
Not to confuse Tripcrwn with facts, but Billy Boat ran primarily winged cars (with some non-wing starts thrown in) from 1983 through early 1989, when he left the Smith #70 to run the Fite/Madden #15. I personally witnessed much of Boat's good year in 1987 as teammates with the Ron's brother Billy Shuman in cars owned by Phoenix engine builder Tom Klein. Boat become a full-time non winged racer by 1990, but his best years were in John Lawson's midget. As for Richard Griffin, my personal all-time favorite driver, he ran about an equal amount of wing & non winged shows from 1983-1985. In 1986, when he hooked up with Klein in the blue #7 car, he was pretty much a full fledged wing racer, with 3 wins in 1986, 13 in Smith's #70 in 1980, then 9, 1 and 7 back in Klein's cars from 1988-1990. It wasn't until Klein got out of racing in 1991 that the Gasman started running non-winged full time, aboard the Fite/Madden #29. Richard wasn't a fan of Ascot, due in no small part to ending up in the catch fence and the car being removed with a bucket loader tractor. All win statistics courtesy of the best sprint, midget, supermodified and champ car historical website, Open Wheel Times.
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August 06, 2008 at
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and Tripcrwn, if you're going to blatantly plagiarize my posts by copying and posting them in another forum, at least have the decency to tell me you're doing so.
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August 06, 2008 at
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August 06, 2008 at
01:46:15 AM by Tripcrwn
So sue me. Do you even know what plagiarism is? You really should quote your sources instead of trying to impress everyone when rattling off your stats.
"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza" -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS
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August 06, 2008 at
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I'd assume it was a given that everyone would know that the stats came from Open Wheel Times. I just happened see a lot of the wins by Griffin & Boat from 1986-1996 with my own eyes.
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August 06, 2008 at
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Posted By: HDsmoke20 on August 06 2008 at 01:46:12 AM
I'd assume it was a given that everyone would know that the stats came from Open Wheel Times. I just happened see a lot of the wins by Griffin & Boat from 1986-1996 with my own eyes.
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Mr. Tripcrwn gave you credit for the post in the first sentence of this thread. You on the other hand, did not bother to mention where you got the information for all of your statistics. That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Since when do we copyright all the posts that we make on these boards? You got credit HDsmoke20, now sit down and chill out.
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August 06, 2008 at
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Tripcrwn was just trying to repost over here in an attempt to get people to agree with his opinion, since it wasn't going so well for him on the Nor Cal board. So I didn't properly credit OWT as the source for the exact numbers of wins - so sue me. But, like I said, everyone with a brain knows that everyone gets their race results statistics from the Sleaze's website. Like I also said, I saw a lot of the race wins by Griffin & Boat from 1986-1996 with my own eyes, so it's not like I just pulled the numbers out of the air. It was more like confirming what I already knew.
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August 06, 2008 at
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Well, if your going to accuse someone of plagiarism you should make sure your house is in order first.
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August 06, 2008 at
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sure, whatever you need to divert attention from the actual question in my post that Tripcrwn felt the need to copy & repost to another forum - When was the last time a primarily non-wing driver put on a wing and won a premier winged show?
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August 06, 2008 at
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I did respond - check your norcal board. What you have failed to respond to is the fact that California's young drivers, who have ambitions to be the next Tony Stewart or Jeff Gordon, head back to Indiana to further their racing careers. They run USAC or any number of local shows there to attract some attention and hopefully get a good ride. Who is the last young California driver that headed off to run with the WOO? And Hannigan and Meyers don't count as they have been with the Outlaws for a number of years. Indiana is the capitol of auto racing in this country. To run with the Outlaws is a dead end. As you know sprint car racing in Indiana is predominately non-wing.
"Ralphie, Senor, muchas gracias por una mas cerveza" -
Scott Daloisio @ the PAS
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August 06, 2008 at
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Posted By: HDsmoke20 on August 06 2008 at 12:44:44 PM
sure, whatever you need to divert attention from the actual question in my post that Tripcrwn felt the need to copy & repost to another forum - When was the last time a primarily non-wing driver put on a wing and won a premier winged show?
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Re-posting takes place all the time between the Nor-Cal and So-Cal boards, why is it all of a sudden an issue? To answer your question: I don't believe traditional sprint car drivers have any aspirations of running wings at a "Premier winged show." It is like Mr. Tripcrwn pointed out, the WoO is a dead end for a racing career. With the exception of Blaney, show me how many former WoO drivers have made the jump to NASCAR? There aren't any. Conversely, there have been several former USAC guys who have made the jump to NASCAR, and have been successful in doing so; go figure.
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August 06, 2008 at
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August 06, 2008 at
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OK, so the "traditional sprint drivers" don't have any aspirations of running wings at a premier wing show (at least Hockett & Ballou tried Knoxville last year!). Why is it then that teams who don't run non-wings much can show up at a non-wing show and either win or run up front, like TK at last year's Oval Nationals, or Haud and Smith at the Mopar Million. Heck, go check the records to see the last time the King ran a non-wing sprint race!
The young drivers who go to Indiana are probably, for the most part, only doing so the try to get to NASCAR. They don't view racing USAC as a career move, they view it as a steppingstone. I'd hardly call the chance to race 100 times a year for $10,000 to win every night a dead end. Go tell Steve or Sammy or Lasoski or Schatz that running the Outlaws is a dead end. Those guys seem to have done quite well for themselves over the years. Why does everyone have to run NASCAR in order to be classified as a success? It's not like NASCAR is the greatest thing ever. The races are, for the most part, too long & too boring. And, for every Newman (who is hardly lighting it up the last few years), Stewart, Gordon or Kasey Kahne (who ran lots of wing shows, too), there are plenty of USAC grads who haven't had standout careers in NASCAR.
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Posted By: HDsmoke20 on August 06 2008 at 12:44:44 PM
sure, whatever you need to divert attention from the actual question in my post that Tripcrwn felt the need to copy & repost to another forum - When was the last time a primarily non-wing driver put on a wing and won a premier winged show?
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Who cares, winged fans are insecure about how good the drivers are. Its obvious that a true sprint car race is a better "race" than a winged follow the leader show.
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August 06, 2008 at
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I agree with your assessment regarding NASCAR, I think it's boring too. I also agree with your statement regarding USAC being a "Steppingstone" for NASCAR. I believe that is what Mr. Tripcrwn, and myself, were trying to convey to you in the first place. Maybe I should not have agreed when I said that the WoO is a "Dead end" for sprint car racers. I am sure that the likes of Kinser, Swindell, Schatz, or Myers are quite happy with their racing careers. In my eyes, these gentlemen are highly successful, even living legends. The only thing I am trying to make you understand is that the up and comers in sprint car racing today, Whitt, Boat, and many others, see USAC as the best avenue to advance their racing careers, not the WoO. Consequently, this is the reason that you won't see many traditional sprint car drivers running wings; plain and simple.
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Posted By: HDsmoke20 on August 06 2008 at 02:07:28 PM
OK, so the "traditional sprint drivers" don't have any aspirations of running wings at a premier wing show (at least Hockett & Ballou tried Knoxville last year!). Why is it then that teams who don't run non-wings much can show up at a non-wing show and either win or run up front, like TK at last year's Oval Nationals, or Haud and Smith at the Mopar Million. Heck, go check the records to see the last time the King ran a non-wing sprint race!
The young drivers who go to Indiana are probably, for the most part, only doing so the try to get to NASCAR. They don't view racing USAC as a career move, they view it as a steppingstone. I'd hardly call the chance to race 100 times a year for $10,000 to win every night a dead end. Go tell Steve or Sammy or Lasoski or Schatz that running the Outlaws is a dead end. Those guys seem to have done quite well for themselves over the years. Why does everyone have to run NASCAR in order to be classified as a success? It's not like NASCAR is the greatest thing ever. The races are, for the most part, too long & too boring. And, for every Newman (who is hardly lighting it up the last few years), Stewart, Gordon or Kasey Kahne (who ran lots of wing shows, too), there are plenty of USAC grads who haven't had standout careers in NASCAR.
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Hey, you don't need a wing, use your big bag of wind for down force HD.
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August 06, 2008 at
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HDsmoke20, welcome to scrafan.com. You seem like a warm, level headed, fun loving kind of guy and I'm sure you will fit in nicely with our group.
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HDsmoke20
Hey just wanted to let you know that Tripcrwn felt the need to copy & repost to another forum . It happens all the time what is the big deal anyways ? Did you copyright your post ? Tripcrwn how dare you do that how rude . You are a bad boy now go to your room and stay there and NO COMPUTER FOR YOU YOUNG MAN !!!!!! Lmao !!!
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