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VRA/BANDIT SPRINT CARS
SANTA MARIA SPEEDWAY - SANTA MARIA, CA
JULY 26, 2008
GRAND SLAM ROUND #3
41 CARS

ENTRY LIST:
Car # - Driver Name - Points
K2 Kevin Kierce 88, 1 Greg Taylor 90, 1D Dennis Rodriguez 0, 3G Greg Porte 78, 4 Rick Eberhardt 30, 7L Mike Larson 40, 8 Justyne Hamblin 102, 8M Jayson May 110, 9K Geoffrey Strole 24, 10 Richard VanderWeerd 100, 11E Eric Severson 14, 11R Troy Rutherford 108, 13 Jeff Fiscus 88, 14 T.J. Smith 30, 15 Rick Hendrix 76, 16J Bill Jones 30, 17V Danny Faria Jr. 120, 18 Danny Sheridan 76, 18T Clark Templeman III 32, 19 Brandon Thomson 80, 21 Peter Murphy 114, 21A Ryan Guy 34, 21T Michael Faccinto 64, 22C Brian Camarillo 92, 24 Guy Woodward 32, 25 Cliff Warren 38, 27 Davey Pombo 108, 29 Hobie Conway 84, 35 Albert Pombo 74, 35D Steve DeMott 76, 36B Kevin Barnes Sr. 44, 49 Tyler Schmidt 82, 51 Rusty Carlile 100, 62 Adam Frith-Smith 6, 71 Richard McCormick 76, 71C Jeff Culver 46, 76 Derek Buckley 34, 86 Chris Ennis 36, 88 Jace VanderWeerd 44, 88H Johnathon Henry 78, 92 Mike Cook 30.

HEAT RACE 1: (10 laps)
1. Danny Faria Jr., 2. Rusty Carlile, 3. Tyler Schmidt, 4. Jeff Culver, 5. Guy Woodward, 6. Brandon Thomson, 7. T.J. Smith, 8. Geoffrey Strole, 9. Clark Templeman III.

HEAT RACE 2: (10 laps)
1. Danny Sheridan, 2. Jayson May, 3. Johnathon Henry, 4. Jace VanderWeerd, 5. Jeff Fiscus, 6. Kevin Kierce, 7. Steve DeMott, 8. Cliff Warren.

HEAT RACE 3: (10 laps)
1. Davey Pombo, 2. Peter Murphy, 3. Rick Hendrix, 4. Kevin Barnes Sr., 5. Michael Faccinto, 6. Ryan Guy, 7. Derek Buckley, 8. Dennis Rodriguez (DNS).

HEAT RACE 4: (10 laps)
1. Albert Pombo, 2. Troy Rutherford, 3. Justyne Hamblin, 4. Eric Severson, 5. Brian Camarillo, 6. Hobie Conway, 7. Mike Cook, 8. Adam Frith-Smith.

HEAT RACE 5: (10 laps)
1. Greg Porte, 2. Greg Taylor, 3. Richard VanderWeerd, 4. Mike Larson, 5. Richard McCormick, 6. Bill Jones, 7. Chris Ennis, 8. Rick Eberhardt.

SEMI-MAIN #1: (12 laps)
1. Jeff Fiscus, 2. Brian Camarillo, 3. Steve DeMott, 4. Brandon Thomson, 5. Jeff Culver, 6. Kevin Barnes Sr., 7. Clark Templeman III, 8. Mike Larson, 9. Ryan Guy, 10. Mike Cook, 11. Bill Jones, 12. Geoffrey Strole, 13. Adam Frith Smith (DNS).

SEMI-MAIN #2: (12 laps)
1. Kevin Kierce, 2. Richard McCormick, 3. Michael Faccinto, 4. Hobie Conway, 5. Cliff Warren, 6. Jace VanderWeerd, 7. Chris Ennis, 8. Derek Buckley, 9. Rick Eberhardt, 10. T.J. Smith, 11. Guy Woodward, 12. Eric Severson (DNS), 13. Dennis Rodriguez (DNS).

FEATURE: (30 laps - With Starting Positions)
1. Danny Faria Jr. (10th), 2. Peter Murphy (4th), 3. Jayson May (1st), 4. Troy Rutherford (3rd), 5. Davey Pombo (7th), 6. Justyne Hamblin (15th), 7. Richard VanderWeerd (12th), 8. Rusty Carlile (2nd), 9. Brian Camarillo (18th), 10. Kevin Kierce (17th), 11. Jeff Fiscus (16th), 12. Hobie Conway (23rd), 13. Greg Taylor (5th), 14. Brandon Thomson (22nd), 15. Steve DeMott (20th), 16. Tyler Schmidt (14th), 17. Richard McCormick (19th), 18. Johnathon Henry (13th), 19. Rick Hendrix (11th), 20. Greg Porte (6th), 21. Danny Sheridan (9th), 22. Albert Pombo (8th), 23. Michael Faccinto (21st).
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*Adam Frith-Smith Flipped In Heat Race #4.
**Geoffrey Strole Flipped In Semi-Main #1.
***Greg Porte Flipped In The Feature.

VRA/BANDIT GRAND SLAM POINTS STANDINGS - 7/26
1. Peter Murphy, 21- 350
2. Greg Taylor, 1- 310
3. Justyne Hamblin, 8- 296
4. Johnathon Henry, 88H- 290
5. Rick Hendrix, 15- 264
6. Albert Pombo, 35- 260
7. Kevin Kierce, K2- 252
8. Brandon Thomson, 19- 236
9. Danny Faria Jr., 17V- 236
10. Kevin Barnes Sr., 36B- 224
11. Jayson May, 8M- 224
12. Troy Rutherford, 11R- 218
13. Clark Templeman III, 18T- 212
14. Davey Pombo, 27- 212
15. Rusty Carlile, 51- 188
16. Chris Wakim, 9W- 184
17. Richard VanderWeerd, 10- 168
18. Wes Gutierrez, 007- 166
19. Steve Conrad, 56- 164
20. Richard McCormick, 71- 150

VRA SPRINT CAR POINT STANDINGS - 7/26
1. Kevin Kierce, K2- 3395
2. Clark Templeman III, 18T- 3300
3. Rick Hendrix, 15- 3110
4. Richard McCormick, 71- 3005
5. Brandon Thomson, 19- 2825
6. Steve Conrad, 56- 2510
7. Brian Camarillo, 22C- 2470
8. Chris Wakim, 9W- 2455
9. John Nock, 83- 2455
10. Guy Woodward, 24- 2420
11. Greg Taylor, 1- 2120
12. Dennis Rodriguez, 1D- 2085
13. Luis Espinoza, 09- 2060
14. Troy Rutherford, 11R- 2010
15. Justin Kierce, 48T- 1825
16. Brent Camarillo, 51C- 1465
17. Derek Buckley, 76- 1155
18. Johnathon Henry, 88H- 1075
19. Eric Severson, 11E- 1030
20. Bruce Douglass, 31- 980

*Thanks To Dave Swindell, Santa Maria Speedway, Ventura Racing Association, and Bandit Sprint Car Series.

Thanks Lance for great coverage. Also thanks to everyone who participated and made this a great show- all of the racers, the fans, host Santa Maria Speedway, the Bandit Series and the VRA folks.

People were very gracious and kind.

Pete

Pete-

Could I get you to use your powers to answer a question for me?

How do they score the laps for the grandslam races?

Here is a not so hypothetical scenairo: If you made a pass coming off of turn 2 on lap 16, and lead until you passed under the flag, signified by a change in laps on the score board to 17, then the yellow comes out as you are entering 1. Who is in the lead? you or the guy you passed? What lap do they start with again, 15, 16? I am confused.

If going back to last lap is the rule, you would of been in the lead at the last lap, Right? or is it until everyone has passed the flagman on that lap? but wouldn't that mean that the leader could be half way down the back shoot before the lap is scored? and by that logic the race wouldn't be over until the last car has finished?

What is a split yellow? 1/2 a lap, or going back 2 scored laps?

Please bring up to speed, in the hustle of the other night I could not get an official to clarify it for me.

Thank you

Butch

Hi Butch, Laps are scored the tried and true method by hand one-at-a-time.

They run a split yellow-red scheme at SMS. How it is scored depends on when the flag was thrown relative to the lead cars that cross prior to the caution.

They count the laps that were completed by the cars that passed the start line up to the cars that passed prior to the yellow coming out. The balance of the cars go back to the previous lap position.

There is no racing back to the Yellow. They count only laps up to when the flag is thrown.

It is a concept that is hard to grasp and most officials can't explain it if they aren't involved with scoring. I will explain it at Kings Sat. if you ask.

Peter

Well Thanks Pete,

I still dont exactly understand it, but I appreciate the effort.

I dont think we will be at Hanford this weekend, sounds like the next race will be the 410's at Santa Maria, but I will see you there.

Thanks

Pete Curto,...

I am fairly sure I understand the hwole theory BUT!!!

I will use a heat race for example for fewer numbers

Lap one 23, 15, 18, 7, 97, 8, 36, 54

lap two,.. 23, 15, 7,18, 97, 36, 8 54 Makes sence so far,...

Lap three 23, 15, 18, 7 Yellow flag 36 spun out! the retsrt should be

23, 15, 18,7,97,8,54, 36 BUT heres where I see a problem 23, 15, 18, and 7 completed lap three, but the others didnt. are the remaining cars a lap down having only completed two laps?, or do the top four cars now have to run an additional lap?

One Word.... TRANSPONDERS

KK - how they work it is they count lap 3 and all cars remain on the lead lap but the balance of the field is aligned to their last completed lap. 

In that sense they don't race back to the yellow and the races procede. 

There is no perfect system.  But this is the race track's way of keeping the program moving without racing to the yellow and repeating the same laps endlessly.  We have all been there.  I don't like the last completed lap idea either because I remember passing the same car several times but being lined up behind that slug on restarts.  It is extremely frustrating.

What system or schema do you favor Kevin, you have been at this a long time?

Openwheeliones- transponders are pretty cool, but not flawless either.  There are operation issues and still a need for manual scoring to account for a malfunctioning transponer or system operating error. 

Kings scorers did a good job of correcting a mistake in scoring but it was caught after the race by the team that was scored down 1 lap and lost 5 positions. 

I am leaning to favor transponders and wouldn't mind tracks not running transponders transition to them. But that is my opinion. 

So my understanding is that if the majority of the field has passed the flag man, the change in positions are counted? If the the majority hasn't passed they revert back?

At what point do the scorers record the position? when they pass the flag right. So a position is recorded at that point, if you has passed the flag in the lead, that was your last lap, right? The remainder of the field that hasn't passed the flag revert to thier previous position when last scored.

So where am I missing something?

You are close Merlin- just the cars that pass under the start finish when the caution comes out are counted. The scores differentiate who did and who didn't pass. Those that passed are credited with their position, those that didn't revert to their last completed lap.

All are credited with what ever lap the leader is on provided they haven't been lapped previously.

Like I stated earlier- it is a way to keep the show moving. Reverting back to the previous lap and racing to the yellow all have significant flaws too. Racing back to the caution is a safety issue. Reverting back a lap at times keeps endlessly repeating (and the problems of passing cars) so that the program can get "stuck" for lack of a better word. That is why some tracks choose that option.

Personally I liked racing to the caution but then again I was driving a stock car because one could make a cheap position or two. But then I was young and had little relative sense of caution or safety. It makes no sense in an open-wheeled car.

What is just as bad is passing a car, the caution comes out after the pass but before a lap is complete, then repeating the scenario over and over again stuck on the same lap.

What scheme do you prefer and why?

Well under that explaination we shouldn't of been sent back last saturday night?

Man o Man,

There are many reason not to race to the yellow. Safety being the big one. I think you should score it as they pass the flag. If the position happend and you were scored at the flag the spot should be yours. if you didnt get scored prior to the yellow then you lose the spot. Just that easy, all cars are brought to the lead lap unless they have been lapped by the leader, and then are scored a lap down.