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May 26, 2008 at
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Active central PA drivers who have beat the outlaws: DeWease, Rahmer, Shepard, Hodnett, Kreitz, Shaffer, Leppo, M. Smith, S. Smith, Layton, Kauffman, Esh, Keel, Eash
Those are the only stats you need to know.
Heres some more though: 35, 34, 38; those are the car counts for the last 3 nights of non-sanctioned 410 races in central PA. The WOO has raced twice in this 3 day period with 26 and 23.
Here's this years LD stats: Wins on the road: 2, Wins in central PA: 0. Being a LD fan I do hope that second # changes soon.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on May 26 2008 at 02:48:17 PM
Active central PA drivers who have beat the outlaws: DeWease, Rahmer, Shepard, Hodnett, Kreitz, Shaffer, Leppo, M. Smith, S. Smith, Layton, Kauffman, Esh, Keel, Eash
Those are the only stats you need to know.
Heres some more though: 35, 34, 38; those are the car counts for the last 3 nights of non-sanctioned 410 races in central PA. The WOO has raced twice in this 3 day period with 26 and 23.
Here's this years LD stats: Wins on the road: 2, Wins in central PA: 0. Being a LD fan I do hope that second # changes soon.
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You forgot Bill Brian Jr. He beat the WoO at Lincoln.
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MSPN has been a sore sport for years...more failing horse shit - onece again he proves that he is UNABLE to produce stats because he simply doe not have the numbers. he has always relied on others to bouy his miserable cause as he does not have the skills to maintain an accurate list of anything. similar to his record for accureacy in reporting income, i am sure.
Big Slim asked for stats to prove your position...where are they?
Holden - Add Mike Erdlery for delivering a pounding to the NST at Selinsgrove. Kinser had several restarts right on his tail and could not make a move.
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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Posted By: Big Slim on May 26 2008 at 11:18:31 AM
Can't believe the Posse rah-rah boys finally made me sign up for this place, but they have.
BRR & Drak, why don't you post a complete list of all the WoO vs. Posse races on your home ground for the last 30 years. You are the top cheerleaders for the wanna-be Outlaws, so surely you have those stats right at your fingertips.
If you don't want to, I can't blame you much. Don't want to see the actual truth about the horrible record you hold against the best in the business, even at the friendly confines of your infamous porch.
I do want to congratulate Lance and the 30C team on their big win though. Great guy, hard-working crew, and they had a great run.
Bet they're glad they finally decided to stretch their legs and get out into the real world of racing.
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BRR, it looks to me like I asked that YOU and Drak post a complete list. But all you've done is to fall back on bashing someone; no surprise in that.
Holden, since you did post some sort of list (one which you seem to believe adds credence to this charade that Posse has it over the WoO), why don't you provide the list? Oh wait, that would kill the argument wouldn't it?? A handful of wins over 30 years....now that IS something to brag about.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut/even a blind chicken finds a sunflower seed sometimes. Those old addages hold true yet today, and apply strongly here.
Yes, I do agree that PA has some....read that SOME of the best local racers in the country. But so does Ohio, California and other places. That doesn't mean they are better than or even equal to the Outlaws.
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Posted By: Big Slim on May 26 2008 at 04:32:17 PM
BRR, it looks to me like I asked that YOU and Drak post a complete list. But all you've done is to fall back on bashing someone; no surprise in that.
Holden, since you did post some sort of list (one which you seem to believe adds credence to this charade that Posse has it over the WoO), why don't you provide the list? Oh wait, that would kill the argument wouldn't it?? A handful of wins over 30 years....now that IS something to brag about.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut/even a blind chicken finds a sunflower seed sometimes. Those old addages hold true yet today, and apply strongly here.
Yes, I do agree that PA has some....read that SOME of the best local racers in the country. But so does Ohio, California and other places. That doesn't mean they are better than or even equal to the Outlaws.
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Where else in America are there 15 WoO feature winners racing regularly? Dig through the stats all you want. There is nowhere else in the country where that can be said. Using your rationale, why doesn't the rest of of the country beat the Outlaws even five percent of the times? I am thinking yours is just another one post gimmick account designed to bash.
For you to argue that PA doesn't have the best locals in America is foolish. Look at the argument you are making. You argue that it takes the entire rest of the country to surpass the talent racing in PA weekly.
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Big Slim, I'm a fan from Ohio. I have the utmost confidence in the skill of our locals wether they run here every week or follow the allstars. There is one simple fact that everyone ignores in these threads. Our guys can't afford to drop 3 motors in a single night. While I firmly believe that a lot of the posse teams have a superior budget in comparison to the drivers in most other areas of the country, I highly doubt that most of them can afford to do that either. Until money becomes a lesser part of the equation, statistics don't really mean crap.
I had a brief conversation with Dean Jacobs a couple of years ago when he was still in the Ray Pullins ride. The night before the allstars were at K-C and I was listening to the internet broadcast. Dean pulled the car into the infield halfway throught the A-main so I asked him what happened. He said that something happened to the motor and he was afraid to cook it since it was the only one that they had.
The statistic that I would like to see is how many motors it takes the average WoO team to come to town and "beat" the locals. How are the locals supposed to compete when most of them are running on a shoestring budget while the WoO team next to them pulls into the pits next to them in a hauler that costs what the locals spend in several years of racing alone. Nobody will ever post up those stats. Why? Because it takes the shine off their arguements. Put them on equal footing and lets see what happens then. As long as the entire sprint car community allows the WoO ownership to dictate the rules for them nothing will change.
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Not in the least. I argue that there are great local racers across the country, and even out of it. All I'm seeking is that those who tout the Posse as better than the WoO to come to the realization that they have no basis for such claims, other than the odd win here and there. In total, the WoO's record against the PA boys far outdoes the obverse. As the COMPLETE list of ALL races with the 2 parties involved would show. I'm fairly sure that I saw either a list or at the very least a compilation of the results posted here in the last couple of years.
And please, do point out where I bashed anyone.
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May 26, 2008 at
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Powerslave, you are correct in your statement that it's an unfair comparison when you speak of the relative bankrolls. But then again, what's fair in this life?? It's rather like trying to put the chick back into the egg. It can't be undone.
My whole intention is to show that fair or unfair, the WoO's record against any and all comers is pretty blatantly in favor of "The Big Boys".
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May 26, 2008 at
06:16:22 PM by gasitup71
...what the hell...here is the WoO history at Williams Grove over the last decade...enjoy !...
5/21/98 Mark Kinser (5m) (prelim)
5/22/98 Johnny Herrera (47)
5/29/98 Stevie Smith (19)
7/31/98 Kevin Gobrecht (1z)
10/2/98 Mark Kinser (5m) (National open)
5/27/99 Mark Kinser (5m) (prelim)
5/28/99 Steve Kinser (11)
7/29/99 Mark Kinser (5m) (prelim)
7/30/99 Mark Kinser (5m)
10/1/99 Cris Eash (17e) (prelim)
10/2/99 Mark Kinser (5m) (National Open)
5/18/00 Mark Kinser (5m) (prelim)
5/19/00 Fred Rahmer (77) (prelim)
7/27/00 Lance Dewease (88) (prelim)
7/29/00 Sammy Swindell (1)
9/29/00 Steve Kinser (11) (prelim)
9/30/00 Donny Schatz (15) (National Open)
5/17/01 Donny Schatz (15) (prelim)
5/18/01 Donny Schatz (15)
7/26/01 Donny Schatz (15) (prelim)
7/27/01 Don Kreitz Jr (69)
9/28/01 Tim Shaffer (11) (prelim)
9/29/01 Lance Dewease (88) (National Open)
5/16/02 Steve Kinser (11)
7/25/02 Danny Lasoski (20) (prelim)
7/26/02 Joey Saldana (17) (prelim)
7/27/02 Greg Hodnett (12)
9/28/02 Lance Dewease (77) (National Open)
7/24/03 Don Kreitz Jr (69) (prelim)
7/25/03 Donny Schatz (15) (prelim)
7/26/03 Donny Schatz (15)
10/3/03 Donny Schatz (15) (prelim)
10/4/03 Steve Kinser (11) (National Open)
5/27/04 Fred Rahmer (88) (prelim)
5/28/04 Don Kreitz Jr (69)
7/23/04 Lance Dewease (77)
7/24/04 Danny Lasoski (20)
10/1/04 Mark Smith (1z) (prelim)
10/2/04 Donny Schatz (15) (National Open)
5/26/05 Craig Dollansky (7) (prelim)
5/27/05 Steve Kinser (11)
7/21/05 Jason Johnson (22) (prelim)
7/22/05 Paul McMahan (11) (prelim)
7/23/05 Fred Rahmer (88)
9/30/05 Fred Rahmer (88) (prelim)
10/1/05 Donny Schatz (15) (National Open)
5/26/06 Fred Rahmer (22) (prelim)
5/27/06 Fred Rahmer (22)
7/20/06 Terry McCarl (24) (prelim)
7/21/06 Craig Dollansky (7) (prelim)
7/22/06 Daryn Pittman (21)
9/29/06 Jason Solwold (r19) (prelim)
9/30/06 Doug Esh (National Open)
5/17/07 Donny Schatz (15)
5/18/07 Donny Schatz (15)
7/19/07 Donny Schatz (15)
7/20/07 Brian Leppo (71)
9/28/07 Chad Layton (25)
9/29/07 Donny Schatz (15) (National Open)
Posse Wins = 22 of 60...37%
Donny Schatz Wins = 13 of 60...22%
Outlaw Wins = 38 of 60...63%
...the preceding is meant for educational use only...LOL !
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So, the local fans should bow down and kiss the WoO drivers asses because they always win, unfair advantage or not? Sorry, they are the enemy. Every damn cent a local driver can take from one of them the better. I don't care if its for last place in the A or winning the whole damn thing. I salute every driver in PA that beats them and I hope and am almost certainly sure that they feel the same way when one of our guys does well against them also.
I don't know why I'm so passionate about it. The WoO don't have the stones to come to our equalizer despite repeated invitations by the former promoter. Atleast the NST had the balls to come to town.
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07:19:12 PM by BigRightRear
someone emailed me this list - from parts unknown:
Knoxville / WoO
Aug 9 1978 Doug Wolfgang - Speedway Motors #4x
Aug 10 1978 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Aug 12 1978 - Doug Wolfgang - Speedway Motors #4x
Apr 21 1979 - Sammy Swindell - Jeffrey #91
Aug 8 1979 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Aug 9 1979 - Main event rained out Tim Green
Aug 10 1979 - Gary Patterson - Aden #4J
Aug 11 1979 - Ron Shuman - Stanton #75A
Apr 19 1980 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Apr 20 1980 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
May 30 1980 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells #4
May 31 1980 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells #4
Aug 14 1980 - Mike Brooks - Annett #12
Aug 15 1980 - Sammy Swindell - Jeffery #19
Aug 16 1980 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells #4
Aug 17 1980 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Sep 20 1980 - Tim Green
Apr 18 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
May 22 1981 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells, Inc. #4
May 23 1981 - Sammy Swindell - Nance #1n
Jul 22 1981 - Sammy Swindell - Nance #1n
Aug 12 1981 - Jack Hewitt - Watson #78
Aug 13 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Aug 14 1981 - Tom Corbin - Deryetcalf #22
Aug 15 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Sep 12 1981 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells, Inc. #4
Apr 17 1982 - Doug Wolfgang - Howells Inc. #4
Jul 21 1982 - Danny Smith - Spurlock #18
Aug 12 1982 - Jimmy Sills - Bailey Bros #01
Aug 13 1982 - Doug Wolfgang - Stanton #75
Aug 14 1982 - Rick Weld
Aug 15 1982 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Apr. 16 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Jul 27 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Aug 10 1983 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 11 1983 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a
Aug 12 1983 - Rick Montgomery
Aug 13 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Oct 15 1983 - Keith Kaufmann - Hamilton #77
Oct 16 1983 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Apr 28 1984 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Suiter #18
Apr 29 1984 - Rained Out
Jul 25 1984 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Aug 5 1984 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Aug 6 1984 - Brad Doty - Stanton 75
Aug 7 1984 - Dave Blaney
Aug 8 1984 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29
Apr 27 1985 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Apr 28 1985 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Aug 14 1985 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29
Aug 15 1985 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 16 1985 - Brad Doty - Pack #4a
Aug 16 1985 - Tim Gee - G & G #88g
Aug 16 1985 - Max Dumesny - Trostle #20
Aug 17 1985 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29
Oct 4 1985 - Dave Blaney - Bishop #2
Oct 5 1985 - Brad Doty - Pack #4a
Oct 6 1985 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29
Apr 25 1986 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Apr 26 1986 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Jun 25 1986 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 23 1986 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 14 1986 - Dave Blaney - Stanton #40
Aug 15 1986 - Brad Doty - Marks/Kepler #18
Aug 16 1986 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Apr 24 1987 - Brad Doty - Marks-Kepler #18
Apr 25 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 22 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 22 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 15 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
April 29 1988 - Mark Kinser - Reid #6r
April 30 1988 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
June 22 1988 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug. 10 1988 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Luna #10
Aug. 11 1988 - Dave Blaney - Nott #48
Aug. 12 1988 - Doug Wolfgang - Kepler #18
Aug. 13 1988 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Apr 28 1989 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Apr 29 1989 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Jun 23 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d
Jun 24 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d
Aug 16 1989 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 17 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d
Aug 18 1989 - Jerry Richert, Jr
Aug 19 1989 - Doug Wolfgang - Peace #8d
Apr 29 1990 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Apr 29 1990 - Doug Wolfgang - Williams #8
Jun 22 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jun 23 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 25 1990 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Aug 15 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 16 1990 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Aug 17 1990 - Jim Bell, Jr. - Bell #3BG
Aug 16 1990 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1A
Apr 26 1991 - Doug Wolfgang - Rogers #49
Apr 27 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jun 21 1991 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Jun 22 1991 - Doug Wolfgang - Rogers #49
Jul 24 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 14 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 15 1991 - Kenny Jacobs - Wintermyer #1w
Aug 16 1991 - Tommie Estes, Jr - Gilliam #29G
Aug 17 1991 - Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Apr 25 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Apr 26 1992 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Jun 19 1992 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Jun 20 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 22 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 12 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 13 1992 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Aug 14 1992 - Gary Brazier - Brazier #21AU
Aug 15 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Sep 25 1992 - Tim Monson - Monson #6m
Sep 25 1992 - Dave Blaney - Chupp #7C
Sep 26 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Apr 30 1993 - Danny Lasoski - Forbrook #5
Jun 26 1993 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Jun 27 1993 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Aug 19 1993 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10
Aug 20 1993 - Stevie Smith - Hamilton #77
Aug 21 1993 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Sep 24 1993 - Stevie Smith - Hamilton #77
Apr 29 1994 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10
Jun 18 1994 - Main event from Apr 30th cancelled due to rain
Jun 24 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jun 25 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 20 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 17 1994 - Andy Hillenburg - Hillenburg #2
Aug 18 1994 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Aug 19 1994 - Greg Hodnett - Two Winners #8TW
Aug 20 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Sep 23 1994 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Apr 28 1995 - Danny Lasoski - Sonner #47
Apr 29 1995 - Cancelled due to thunderstorms. Rescheduled for May 6th.
May 6 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Jun 23 1995 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Jun 24 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Jul 19 1995 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 16 1995 - Andy Hillenburg - Hillenburg #2
Aug 17 1995 - Danny Lasoski - Hamilton #77
Aug 18 1995 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Aug 19 1995 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Sep 27 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Apr 26 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Apr 27 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Jun 21 1996 - Stevie Smith - Motter #71M
Jun 22 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Jun 22 1996 - Jeff Swindell - 2 Winners #7TW
Jul 24 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Aug 14 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Aug 15 1996 - Terry Mc Carl - Gray #51
Aug 16 1996 - Cancelled due to rain
Aug 17 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Apr 25 1997 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
Apr 26 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Jul 4 1997 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
Jul 5 1997 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Jul 23 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Aug 13 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Aug 14 1997 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Aug 15 1997 - Gary Wright
Aug 17 1997 - Dave Blaney - Blaney/Hylton 10
Apr 24 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Apr 25 1998 - Postponed to May 2nd due to rain
May 2 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Jul 3 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Jul 4 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Jul 22 1998 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Aug 12 1998 - Jeff Swindell - Two Winners 104+
Aug 13 1998 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 14 1998 - Craig Dollansky - Gleason #21G
Aug 15 1998 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83
Jul 2 1999 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83
Jul 3 1999 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83
Jul 21 1999 - Danny Lasoski - Roth #83
Aug 11 1999 - Craig Dollansky - Dollansky #7
Aug 12 1999 - Tyler Walker - Walker #35
Aug 13 1999 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
Aug 14 1999 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Apr 28 2000 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
Apr 29 2000 - Danny Lasoski - Roth Racing #83
Jun 30 2000 - Johnny Herrera - DOCC M'sports #20
Jul 1 2000 - Stevie Smith - Smith #19
Jul 19 2000 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 9 2000 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 10 2000 - Craig Dollansky - Karavan Racing #7
Aug 11 2000 - Keith Kaufman - Middleswarth #7K
Aug 12 2000 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Apr 27 2001 - Craig Dollansky - Karavan Racing #7
Apr 28 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L
Jun 29 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L
Jun 30 2001 - Stevie Smith - Smith #19
Jul 16 2001 - Jason Meyers
Aug 8 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L
Aug 9 2001 - Donny Schatz - Schatz #15
Aug 10 2001 - Manny Rockhold - Gould #02
Aug 11 2001 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart/Lasoski #20L
Apr 26 2002 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jun 28 2002 - Danny Lasoski - Stewart #20
Aug 7 2002 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 8 2002 - Donny Schatz - Schatz #15
Aug 9 2002 - P.J. Chesson - Chesson #76
Aug 10 2002 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Apr 25, 2003 – Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
Apr 26, 2003 – Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
Jul 4, 2003 – Steve Kinser – Kinser #11
Jul 5 2003 – Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
Aug 14 2003 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Aug 14 2003 - Steve Kinser – Kinser #11
Aug 16 2003 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
May 1 2004 – Mark Kinser – Roth #83
Jun 25 2004 – Joey Saldana – Woodward #2
Jun 26 2004 – Craig Dollansky – Karavan #7
Aug 11 2004 – Tim Kaeding – Roth #83
Aug 12 2004 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
Aug 14 2004 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
Apr 29 2005 - Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
Apr 30, 2005 - Steve Kinser – Kinser #11
Jun 24 2005 - Kraig Kinser – Kinser #11k
Aug 10 2005 – Fred Rahmer – Harz 88H
Aug 12 2005 – Shane Stewart – Rudeen #26
Aug 14 2005 - Kraig Kinser – Kinser #11k
Jun 23 2006 – Joey Saldana – Kahne #9
Jun 24 2006 - Cancelled due to rain
Aug 9 2006 – Fred Rahmer – Klein #22
Aug 10 2006 – Jason Johnson – Rowe #41
Aug 11 2006 – Calvin Landis – Landis #70
Aug 12 2006 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Oct 7 2006 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Apr 28 2007 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Jun 16 2007 – Terry McCarl – McCarl #24
Aug 8 2007 - RAIN - See 8/10/07
Aug 9 2007 - Jeff Shepard – Zemco #1z
Aug 10 2007 – Danny Lasoski – Roth #83
Aug 11 2007 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Apr 26 2008 – Donny Schatz – Stewart #15
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
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Here is the thread that Mr. Slim speaks of...
http://www.hoseheadforums.com/forum~pageNum_qGetThread~3~ThreadID~8024.htm
There are differing opinions on the whole PA vs WoO threads. It seems that the PA fans like to lay claim to the best winning percentage against the WoO and rightly so. Then there is MSPN, who likes to bash the PA fans and drivers and make statements that the PA drivers can only win in "their backyard".
To even think about making a statement that the PA teams are not the best group of "local" 410 racers on the planet just shows stupidity. Ask any WoO driver where the toughest group of locals are and they will be quick to tell you, PA.
On top of that, PA teams have even traveled to Florida, Ohio, Iowa and California and racked up wins.
Go to the link above and take a look at the stats there, it speaks volumes.
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the rest of the story:
Williams Grove - Posse / WoO Winners
Sep 24 1978 - Kramer Williamson - Apple House #41
Jul 27 1979 - Lynn Paxton
May 16 1980 - Sammy Swindell - Jeffrey #91
Jul 25 1980 - Bill Stief - Lloyd #461
Jul 26 1980 - Ketih Kauffman - Weikert #29
Jun 5 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
Jun 12 1981 - Steve Kinser - Kinser Bros #11
May 13 1982 - Sammy Swindell - Nance #1N
May 14 1982 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a
May 21 1982 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a
May 26 1983 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Weikert #29
May 27 1983 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Weikert #29
Aug 4 1983 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 5 1983 -Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
May 24 1984 -Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 25 1984 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 1 1984 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Aug 2 1984 - Brad Doty - Stanton 75
Aug 3 1984 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 24 1985 - Keith Kauffman - Hamilton #77
May 31 1985 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 1 1985 - Sammy Swindell - Beadle #1
Aug 2 1985 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29
May 22 1986 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29
May 23 1986 - Doug Wolfgang - Weikert #29
May 30 1986 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a
Jul 31 1986 - Jac Haudenschild - Saucier #1ST
Aug 1 1986 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a
May 22 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 29 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 30 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 31 1987 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 26 1988 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Luna #10
May 27 1988 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Luna #10
June 3 1988 - Mark Kinser - Reid #6r
July 28 1988 - Chris Eash - Eash #17e
July 29 1988 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 25 1989 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a
May 26 1989 -Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Jun 2 1989 - Bobby Allen - Allen #1a
Jul 27 1989 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Luna #10
Jul 28 1989 - Bobby Davis, Jr. - Luna #10
Sep 29 1989 - Stevie Smith - Hamilton #77
Sep 30 1989 - Stevie Smith - Hamilton #77
May 24 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 25 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jun 1 1990 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Aug 2 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 3 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Sep 28 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Sep 29 1990 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 24 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 31 1991 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Aug 1 1991 -Mark Kinser - Williams #5m
Aug 2 1991 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Oct 5 1991 - Sammy Swindell - Annett #1
Oct 6 1991 - Stevie Smith - Hamilton #77
May 21 1992 - Mark Kinser - Williams #5M
May 22 1992 - Donnie Kreitz, Jr - Kreitz #69K
May 29 1992 - Donnie Kreitz, Jr - Kreitz #69K
Jul 30 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 31 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Oct 2 1992 - Keith Kauffman - Wintermyer #1W
Oct 3 1992 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 27 1993 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10
May 28 1993 - Don Kreitz, Jr. - Knelt #69k
Jun 4 1993 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10
Aug 5 1993 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Oct 1 1993 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Oct 3 1993 - Don Kreitz, Jr. - Kreitz 69
May 26 1994 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10
May 27 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jun 3 1994 - Andy Hillenburg - Hillenburg #2
Aug 4 1994 - Sammy Swindell - Gilliam #1
Aug 5 1994 - Sammy Swindell - Gilliam #1
Sep 30 1994 - Lance Dewease - Dyer #461
Oct 1 1994 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
May 26 1995 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 3 1995 - Dave Blaney - Luna #10
Aug 4 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Sep 29 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Sep 30 1995 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
May 24 1996 - Johnny Herrera - Sonner #47
May 25 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
May 31 1996 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 1 1996 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Aug 2 1996 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Oct 4 1996 - Lance Dewease - Dyer #461
Oct 5 1996 - Lance Dewease - Dyer #461
May 22 1997 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
May 23 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
May 30 1997 - Jac Haudenschild - Elden #22
Jul 31 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Aug 1 1997 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5m
Oct 3 1997 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
Oct 4 1997 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
May 21 1998 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
May 22 1998 - Johnny Herrera - Sonner #47
May 29 1998 - Stevie Smith - Smith #19
Jul 30 1998 - Cancelled, rain
Jul 31 1998 - Kevin Gobrecht - Zemaitis #1Z
Oct 2 1998 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Oct 3 1998 - Cancelled, rain
May 27 1999 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
May 28 1999 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Jul 29 1999 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Jul 30 1999 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
Oct 1 1999 - Cris Eash - E&G Classics #17E
Oct 2 1999 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
May 18 2000 - Mark Kinser - Kinser #5M
May 19 2000 - Fred Rahmer - Hamilton #77
Jul 27 2000 - Lance Dewease - Harz #88H
Jul 29 2000 - Sammy Swindell - Swindell #1
Sep 29 2000 - Steve Kinser - Kinser #11
Sep 30 2000 - Donny Schatz - Schatz #15
May 18 2001 - Donny Schatz - Schatz #15
Jul 26 2001 - Donny Schatz - Schatz #15
Jul 27 2001 - Don Kreitz, Jr - Kreitz #69
Sep 28 2001 - Tim Shaffer - Helm #11H
Sep 29 2001 - Lance Dewease - Harz #88H
May 16 2002 – Steve Kinser – Kinser #11
Sep 27 2002 – Lance Dewease – Hamilton #77
Jul 24 2003 – Don Kreitz Jr. – Kreitz #69k
Jul 25 2003 – Donny Schatz –Schatz #15
Oct 3 2003 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Oct 4 2003 – Steve Kinser – Kinser #11
May 27 2004 – Fred Rahmer – Hartz #88H
May 28 2004 – Don Kreitz Jr. – Kreitz #69k
Jul 23 2004 – Lance Dewease – Hamilton #77
Jul 24 2004 – Danny Lasoski – Stewart #20
Oct 1 2004 – Mark Smith – Zemco #1Z
Oct 2 2004 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
May 26 2005 – Craig Dollansky – Karavan #7
May 27 2005 – Steve Kinser – Kinser #11
Jul 21 2005 – Jason Johnson – Klien #22
Jul 22 2005 – Paul McMahan – Helm #11H
Jul 23 2005 – Fred Rahmer – Hartz #88H
Sep 30 2005 – Fred Rahmer – Hartz #88H
Oct 1 2005 – Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
May 26 2006 Fred Rahmer – Klien #22
May 27 2006 Fred Rahmer– Klien #22
Jul 20 2006 Terry McCarl - #24
Jul 21 2006 Craig Dollansky - #7
Jul 22 2006 Daryn Pittman - #21
Sep 29 2006 Jason Solwold - #r19
Sep 30 2006 Doug Esh - Leach #30 (National Open)
May 17 2007 Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
May 18 2007 Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Jul 19 2007 Donny Schatz – Schatz #15
Jul 20 2007 Brian Leppo - Swope #71
Sep 28 2007 Chad Layton - Postupack #25
Sep 29 2007 Donny Schatz – Schatz #15 (National Open)
May 15 2008 Steve Kinser – Kinser #11
Posse Tracks
1978
Jun 24 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 50 Steve Smith Fletcher #66
Sep 23 Calistoga , CA 0.50 D 40 Johnny Anderson Woodruff #21
Sep 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 100 Kramer Williamson Apple House #41
1979
Jul 19 Penn National, Grantville , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Jul 21 Lincoln , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 50 Rick Ferkel Ferkel #0
Jul 25 Port Royal , PA 0.50 D 40 Lynn Paxton Boop #1
Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 35 Lynn Paxton Boop #1
Jul 28 Selinsgrove , PA 0.50 D 35 Allen Klinger Lucas #98
Aug 29 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
1980
May 14 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Doug Wolfgang Trostle 20
May 16 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Jeffrey #91
May 17 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 40 Sammy Swindell Jeffrey #91
May 20 Grandview , Bechtelsville , PA 0.33 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
May 22 Selinsgrove , PA 0.50 D 35 Kramer Williamson Kuhn 21
Jul 16 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Rick Ferkel Morgan 0
Jul 17 Penn National, Grantville , PA 0.50 D 30 Smokey Snellbaker Lloyd 56
Jul I8 Selinsgrove , PA 0.50 D 35 Lynn Paxton Boop 1
Jul 19 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Jul 20 Cayuga Co., Weedsport , NY 0.37 D 25 Lynn Paxton Boop 1
Jul 21 Rolling Wheels, Elbridge , NY 0.62 D 35 Lynn Paxton Boop 1
Jul 23 Grandview , Bechtelsville , PA 0.33 D 40 Tim Green Serace #55
Jul 24 Hagerstown , MD 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Jul 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bill Stief Lloyd #461
Jul 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 35 Ketih Kauffman Weikert #29
1981
Jun 4 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Jun 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Jun 6 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Jun 11 Penn National, Grantville , PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Jun 12 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Sep 1 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Nance #1n
1982
May 13 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Sammy Swindell Nance #1N
May 14 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 50 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
May 21 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
May 26 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser Bros #11
Oct 12 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Rick Ferkel Morgan #0
1983
May 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Davis, Jr. Weikert #29
May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Weikert #29
May 30 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 40 Brad Doty Bowers #28D
May 31 Grandview , Bechtelsville , PA 0.33 D 40 Doug Wolfgang Spurlock #18
Jun 10 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Jun 11 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Aug 2 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 3 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Bobby Davis, Jr. Weikert #29
Aug 4 WiIIiams Grove , PA 0.50 D 12 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 5 WiIIiams Grove , PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Aug 6 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
1984
May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 26 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 31 Grandview , Bechtelsville , PA 0.33 D 40 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Jun 8 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Brad Doty Stanton 75
Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Brad Doty Stanton 75
Aug 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 4 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 40 Bobby Davis, Jr. Suiter #18
Oct 9 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindeli Beadle #1
1985
May 22 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Keith Kauffman Hamilton #77
May 25 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 29 Selinsgrove , PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jun 1 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29
Aug 3 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 35 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
1986
May 21 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29
May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29
May 23 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29
May 24 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 35 Bobby Davis, Jr Morgan #6
May 28 Port Royal , PA 0.50 D 30 Don Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69n
May 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
May 31 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr Morgan #6
Jul 30 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Jac Haudenschild Saucier #1ST
Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
Aug 2 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 15# Sammy Swindell Beadle #1
1987
May 20 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 23 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
May 27 Port Royal , PA 0.50 D 25 Doug Wolfgang Weikert #29
May 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 30 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 29 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 31 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 1 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
1988
May 25 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Dave Blaney Nott #48
May 26 Williams Grove. , PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10
May 27 Williams Grove. , PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10
May 28 Lincoln , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
June 3 Williams Grove. PA 0.50 D 18 Mark Kinser Reid #6r
June 4 Lincoln , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Stevie Smith, Jr. Smith #19
July 27 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
July 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Cris Eash Eash #17e
July 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
July 30 Lincoln , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
1989
May 20 Lincoln Park, Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Cris Eash Eash #17e
May 24 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Dave Blaney Chupp #7c
May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
May 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
May 27 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Donnie Kreitz, Jr. Kreitz #69k
Jun 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Allen Allen #1a
Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10
Jul 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10
Jul 29 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10
Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Tim Green Owen #14
Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77
Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 75 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77
1990
May 23 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jun 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
Jun 2 Lincoln , Hanover , PA Rained out
Aug 1 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Sep 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 75 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Oct 6 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Bobby Davis, Jr. Luna #10
1991
May 22 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Jeff Swindell Weikert #29
May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 25 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
May 29 Susquehanna, Newberrytown , PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
Jun 1 Selinsgrove , PA 0.50 D 30 Todd Shaffer Turnbaugh #11t
Jul 31 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Bobby Davis Jr. Davis #4
Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Williams #5m
Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Oct 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
Oct 6 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 50 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77
1992
May 20 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
May 21 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Williams #5M
May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Donnie Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69K
May 23 Hagerstown , MD 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
May 24 Hagerstown , MD 0.50 D Rained Out
May 25 Lincoln, Hanover , PA 0.40 D Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Donnie Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69K
Jul 28 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 1 Hagerstown , MD 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Annett #1
Aug 2 Susquehanna, Newberrytown , PA 0.50 D Stevie Smith Hamilton #77
Sep 30 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Oct 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Keith Kauffman Wintermyer #1W
Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
1993
May 25 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Kenny Jacobs Motter #71m
May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Dave Blaney Luna #10
May 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Don Kreitz, Jr. Knelt #69k
Jun 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Dave Blaney Luna #10
Jun 5 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Andy Hillenburg Hillenburg #2
Aug 3 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Jeff Swindell Wimmer/Knamer #tw
Aug 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 7 Hagerstown , MD 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 8 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Bill Brian, Jr. Brian #16
Sep 30 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Stevie Smith Hamilton #77
Oct 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Don Kreitz, Jr. Kreitz 69
1994
May 25 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D Postponed due to heavy rain
May 26- Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Dave Blaney Luna #10
May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jun 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Andy Hillenburg Hillenburg #2
Jun 4 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 2 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Sammy Swindell Gilliam #1
Aug 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Gilliam #1
Aug 6 Hagerstown , MD 0.50 D 30 Jeff Swindell Two Winners #7TW
Aug 7 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Lance Dewease Dyer #461
Oct 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
1995
May 22 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 26 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 30 Grandview , Bechtelsville , PA 0.33 D 30 Jac Haudenschild Elden #22
Jun 3 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 1 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Stevie Smith Motter 71m
Aug 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Dave Blaney Luna #10
Aug 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
Aug 6 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Dave Blaney Luna #10
Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
1996
May 21 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 25 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
May 24 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Johnny Herrera Sonner #47
May 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
May 29 Grandview , Bechtelsville , PA 0.33 D 30 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1
May 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jun 1 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Jul 30 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Aug 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Aug 5 Grandview , Bechtelsville , PA 0.33 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Oct 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Lance Dewease Dyer #461
Oct 5 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Lance Dewease Dyer #461
1997
May 20 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1
May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Swindell
May 23 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
May 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Jac Haudenschild Elden #22
May 31 Lincoln Park , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
Jul 29 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
Aug 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5m
Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1
Oct 4 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1
1998
May 19 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Fred Rahmer Hamilton #77
May 21 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
May 22 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Johnny Herrera Sonner #47
May 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Stevie Smith Smith #19
May 30 Lincoln , Hanover , PA 0.40 D 30 Fred Rahmer Hamilton #77
Jul 28 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 25 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D Cancelled, rain
Jul 31 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Kevin Gobrecht Zemaitis #1Z
Oct 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Oct 3 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D Cancelled, rain
1999
May 25 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
May 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
May 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 27 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Jul 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Jul 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Sep 29 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D Cancelled, rain
Oct 1 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Cris Eash E&G Classics #17E
Oct 2 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
2000
May 16 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1
May 18 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
May 19 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 26* Fred Rahmer Hamilton #77
Jul 25 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1
Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Lance Dewease Harz #88H
Jul 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Sammy Swindell Swindell #1
Sep 26 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Stevie Smith Smith #19
Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 20 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Sep 30 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Donny Schatz Schatz #15
2001
May 18 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Donny Schatz Schatz #15
Jul 24 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 30 Mark Kinser Kinser #5M
Jul 26 Wm Grove, PA # 0.50 D 30 Donny Schatz Schatz #15
Jul 27 Wm Grove, PA # 0.50 D 30 Don Kreitz, Jr Kreitz #69
Sep 25 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Danny Wood Woodburn #21W
Sep 27 Port Royal , PA 0.50 D 30 Danny Wood Woodburn #21W
Sep 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Tim Shaffer Helm #11H
Sep 29 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Lance Dewease Harz #88H
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May 15 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 35 Stevie Smith Helm #11H
May 16 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Steve Kinser Kinser #11
Jul 24 Lernerville, Sarver , PA 0.50 D 40 Ed Lynch, Jr. Lynch #2L
Jul 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Danny Lasoski Stewart #20
Jul 25 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Joey Saldana Saldana #17
Jul 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 30 Greg Hodnett Apple #12
Sep 27 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 25 Cancelled rain
Sep 28 Williams Grove, PA 0.50 D 40 Lance Dewease Hamilton #77
Sep 29 Port Royal Speedway , PA 0.50 D 30 Brad Furr Furr #2
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
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Not in the least. I argue that there are great local racers across the country, and even out of it. All I'm seeking is that those who tout the Posse as better than the WoO to come to the realization that they have no basis for such claims, other than the odd win here and there. In total, the WoO's record against the PA boys far outdoes the obverse. As the COMPLETE list of ALL races with the 2 parties involved would show. I'm fairly sure that I saw either a list or at the very least a compilation of the results posted here in the last couple of years.
And please, do point out where I bashed anyone.
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Well, your post pretty much ignores what 99 percent of the people in PA think and write on here. If you have a problem with one or two of the fans from PA, then take it to personal e-mail. There are only a couple people in PA that would write that our region is better than the entire rest of America combined. That is why the Posse vs. the WoO threads on here are so silly. You are comparing the entire rest of the country with a small area in PA. The WoO should win 95 percent of the races here like they do everywhere else, and that does not happen.
I have great respect for local 410 racers in Ohio, Knoxville and California. I understand being competitive against the WoO is often dictated by money. But the people that just bash the PA teams and drivers look silly when you look at how many PA drivers have beaten the WoO compared to locals everyone else in America.
Powerslave, I agree with nearly everything you have said in your last couple posts.
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Up front, in your face, facts. Come in Mulligan!!! Do you have any facts to post..................didn't think so.
Fellow members, sit up and take notice.....................Mulligan talks junk.........no concrete facts whatsoever. The song remains the same.
Show up at the races, show your face, step to the plate and be a man. While you're at it, smell yourself before you make the trip.
"The Outlaws have people out here that don’t know
anything about racing. I don’t understand how they
come up with some of the calls they do. It makes me
think that they just might be that stupid. It’s
scary." -Steve Kinser
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Drak - expect the usual silence / change the subject / move the goal posts just like a Clinton campaign speech!
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
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Well, your post pretty much ignores what 99 percent of the people in PA think and write on here. If you have a problem with one or two of the fans from PA, then take it to personal e-mail. There are only a couple people in PA that would write that our region is better than the entire rest of America combined. That is why the Posse vs. the WoO threads on here are so silly. You are comparing the entire rest of the country with a small area in PA. The WoO should win 95 percent of the races here like they do everywhere else, and that does not happen.
I have great respect for local 410 racers in Ohio, Knoxville and California. I understand being competitive against the WoO is often dictated by money. But the people that just bash the PA teams and drivers look silly when you look at how many PA drivers have beaten the WoO compared to locals everyone else in America.
Powerslave, I agree with nearly everything you have said in your last couple posts.
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No, my post pointedly zeroes in on the posts on here. As I do not know, nor have any reference to judge the 99% of which you speak, how can I address them??
No, I have no problem with any posters. Just a wish to make clear that although any win by any driver, no matter where they hail from or what series they are or aren't currently with, should be celebrated; it needs to be done with a clear eye towards reality. No win by anyone ever was earth-shattering; monumental in some ways, probably but in the grand scheme of life???
I also have great respect for not only the drivers you mention, but everyone who ever put on a show for myself and others. And that's why I congratulated the driver and team which the original post was about. Every driver deserves accolades; win or lose; because they entertain us all.
Lastly, I bashed noone; Posse, WoO, California, Ohio or Timbuktu. Seems to me that perhaps you and some of the other 1% of which you spoke are a bit overly defensive.
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all that horsehit about stats and this is all you got?
i guess the nelligan disease is spreading to other screen names...
Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better
weather." Van May
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No, my post pointedly zeroes in on the posts on here. As I do not know, nor have any reference to judge the 99% of which you speak, how can I address them??
No, I have no problem with any posters. Just a wish to make clear that although any win by any driver, no matter where they hail from or what series they are or aren't currently with, should be celebrated; it needs to be done with a clear eye towards reality. No win by anyone ever was earth-shattering; monumental in some ways, probably but in the grand scheme of life???
I also have great respect for not only the drivers you mention, but everyone who ever put on a show for myself and others. And that's why I congratulated the driver and team which the original post was about. Every driver deserves accolades; win or lose; because they entertain us all.
Lastly, I bashed noone; Posse, WoO, California, Ohio or Timbuktu. Seems to me that perhaps you and some of the other 1% of which you spoke are a bit overly defensive.
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So you have never been to PA to see any racing here and do not have any knowledge of the fan base as a whole? Yet you started a new account to just flame away? That is pretty much what I thought. You wanted the stats and people gave you the stats. The stats are that there is nowhere else in America than the locals win anywhere near as often as they do in PA.
If you are going to start a gimmick account, you at least need a fresh angle. The one you are using has been done to death.
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on May 26 2008 at 02:48:17 PM
Active central PA drivers who have beat the outlaws: DeWease, Rahmer, Shepard, Hodnett, Kreitz, Shaffer, Leppo, M. Smith, S. Smith, Layton, Kauffman, Esh, Keel, Eash
Those are the only stats you need to know.
Heres some more though: 35, 34, 38; those are the car counts for the last 3 nights of non-sanctioned 410 races in central PA. The WOO has raced twice in this 3 day period with 26 and 23.
Here's this years LD stats: Wins on the road: 2, Wins in central PA: 0. Being a LD fan I do hope that second # changes soon.
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Here's a list of active Californians that has beat the Outlaws: Jason Meyers, Tim Kaeding, Tyler Walker, Paul McMahan, Brent Kaeding, Brad Furr, Jason Statler, Jonathon Allard, Darrell Hanestad, and Randy Hannagan. Not bad IMO. I'm really just tired of the chest pumping by SOME on here. Hell if you really want to get to the "nut's and bolt's" of this subject, the "King" from Indiana has kicked everyone's ass from Coast to Coast in a sprint-car. This whole locals vs. woo is the biggest joke going. So many guy's leave home to run with the woo all the time, that it doesn't really matter IMO. I can tell this though, I would love for the Posse to come to California and win on a regular basis, just as much as i would love to see CA. go to PA. country and kick butt. THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN EITHER WAY. The racing style's are way to different for that to happen at the moment, but I can see Meyer's or Kaeding coming to PA. and winning a race before a PA. guy is going to win a race in CA. at this time.......unless it was at Calistoga(take off the wing that is). Anyway's just be happy with what you have for local racing, but it's not on the level of what you think it really is. There is GREAT racing all over this country!! Just wanted to state my belief on this subject and you might beg to differ, but i will believe otherwise probably.
Trophy Cup......Best race of the year hands down!
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