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BigRightRear
February 17, 2008 at 08:54:21 PM
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Kurt Busch gets the final laugh as he pushes his team mate past Tony for the win!

most notable - guys can actually get this car back under control once they slide...did not tear up much equipment. it is still fenders and still sucks, glad our racing starts next week!


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Posted By: BigRightRear on February 17 2008 at 08:54:21 PM

Kurt Busch gets the final laugh as he pushes his team mate past Tony for the win!

most notable - guys can actually get this car back under control once they slide...did not tear up much equipment. it is still fenders and still sucks, glad our racing starts next week!



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This message was edited on February 17, 2008 at 09:17:48 PM by BIGFISH
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on February 17 2008 at 08:15:29 PM

You didn't read my post carefully, I said mostly on asphalt, not always. I don't know if he ran more dirt before that, but everything I've seen of him is in a silver crown car.



Why do so many open their mouths when they don't know what they are talking about?

"He showed his versatility in 1999, taking the USAC Coors Light Silver Bullet Series National Championship with two wins and 12 top-10 finishes. He also won seven times in Midgets and picked up a victory in Sprint Cars - the first driver to win in all three major USAC divisions that season".

Silver crown has NEVER been a all asphalt series.. I guess some just watched ESPNs broadcast from IRP and assumed and have never heard of the Hoosier 100 etc.. LOL

One thing about Ryan is that his goal, even as kid and his start in Quarter Midgets was to run NASCAR and win the Daytona 500. His degree in engineering was also part of his plan for a NASCAR career. His goals were much different from Tony's dream of winning the Indy 500, but very much like a lot of kids today.

The race? The whole deal makes me sad.

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February 17, 2008 at 09:15:47 PM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on February 17 2008 at 08:12:37 PM

I wouldn't have minded if there was no big one if they didn't spend more than half of the last forty laps under caution. But if they're gonna spend all that time under caution it would be nice to have an interesting replay to watch. And my point about it not being a pass is that Newman didn't have to do anything to get the lead. he just kind of inherited it when Stewart made a dumb move. Technically it was a pass, but it wasn't a pass like Harvick over Martin last year, or the nice looking passes Stewart made on Dale Jr. today, one of the few interesting points of the race. It wasn't exciting watching Newman take the lead, it was "Why did Stewart just move down and hand him the lead." I mean Newman is better than Gordon, Johnson, Montoya, or either of the Busch's, but still, I just didn't feel like it should have been his race. Kind of like Kurt Busch with the 2004 championship, or even Ward Burton in 2002. It was an uneventful race with a disappointing finish, and when I came away from it I was really bitter. Newman isn't a sprint car driver in my mind in the way that Stewart, Yeley, Kahne or Blaney are. I liken him more to Gordon. When I think of former sprint drivers in NASCAR, I just don't think of Newman. maybe that's because all the pictures I've seen of him in a sprint car are on asphalt, and I don't think sprints on pavement is real sprint car racing.



Sprints on pavement is not real Sprint Car racing? That is where much of the talent in major league racing the past 10 years has been coming from. Why is it any less real than the WoO? There is a whole other world out there besides the the WoO.



Speedbump
February 17, 2008 at 10:03:12 PM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on February 17 2008 at 08:15:29 PM

You didn't read my post carefully, I said mostly on asphalt, not always. I don't know if he ran more dirt before that, but everything I've seen of him is in a silver crown car.



You do realize that Mr Newman holds the Silver Crown one lap record at Knoxville? He also earned his way into the 2008 LateModel Nat'ls feature there....a type of racecar that is extremely new to him.

Either reason is enough for me to like him.



dmonahan
February 17, 2008 at 10:22:40 PM
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You're missing what I think was the most important aspect of this race. It was the first true "team racing" event in American motorsports. Starting on Thursday, when Michael Waltrip dropped back to pick up his teammate to draft him into a qualifying position, right through the last lap of th 500, when Stewart dropped down to draft with his teammate, that's what it was all about. That's really new. Even though Stewart's move backfired, that's the way it's going to be in NASCAR from now on.

Dick.




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February 17, 2008 at 10:26:07 PM
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Nothing new about "team" racing in NASCAR. What, you just noticed?

Kenny


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SVMike
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Posted By: Railbird_1 on February 17 2008 at 07:53:15 PM

One of the better ones. Rowdy Busch driving the wheels off that thing!



Rowdy Busch...I heard them pumping that nickname on Speed this morning...I really hope that doesn't catch on. Good driving by Busch today, but, "Rowdy"...Maybe we should petition to have Jimmy Johnson use the contrived nickname "Cowboy" too- Fits about as well.



oswald
February 18, 2008 at 12:47:03 AM
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For some people, if their favorite doesn't win then it was a bad race, the winner didn't really earn the win, the whole race sucked, etc. Face it, this guy wanted Stewart to win, and if he had Rogue-9 would have proclaimed it the most exciting Daytona 500 of all time. Tony wanted to get infront of his team mate so Kyle could push Tony to the win. It didn't work. Get over it. Better yet, Tony shows up at a lot of dirt tracks, so go tell him in person what a stupid move he made. His response could be interesting.




Rogue-9
February 18, 2008 at 01:51:01 AM
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Posted By: oswald on February 18 2008 at 12:47:03 AM

For some people, if their favorite doesn't win then it was a bad race, the winner didn't really earn the win, the whole race sucked, etc. Face it, this guy wanted Stewart to win, and if he had Rogue-9 would have proclaimed it the most exciting Daytona 500 of all time. Tony wanted to get infront of his team mate so Kyle could push Tony to the win. It didn't work. Get over it. Better yet, Tony shows up at a lot of dirt tracks, so go tell him in person what a stupid move he made. His response could be interesting.



Actually no, I'm not a big Stewart fan, I would have routed for Jeff Burton, Mark Martin, Dave Blaney, and since I grew up an Earnhardt fan, even Dale Jr. over Stewart. But when it came down to it, on the final lap there were four guys that had a chance and Stewart was the one I wanted to see get it out of those four. It's not that I wanted Stewart to win, it's I didn't want Newman to win. He's better than the Busch brothers, but still. Plus Stewart, as one person put it is this generation's Earnhardt, he probably deserves the 500 more than anybody on the track today, except for maybe Mark Martin, and to see Newman go by him and win, when he wasn't a big factor until the end, nor has he ever been a big factor at Daytona was disappointing to me. But also there wasn't much excitement the whole race. They just rode around like they always do until the last 30-40 laps, and when they finally started getting racy, they spent half the time under caution. 2 years ago I was a big NASCAR fan, and this year's 500 reminded me why I'm not anymore.



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Posted By: singlefile on February 17 2008 at 09:15:47 PM

Sprints on pavement is not real Sprint Car racing? That is where much of the talent in major league racing the past 10 years has been coming from. Why is it any less real than the WoO? There is a whole other world out there besides the the WoO.



Dude, I have the last two years Indiana Sprint week DVD's. I am not a strictly WoO fan. I love USAC, when it's on Dirt. I don't define what real sprint car racing is by how many guys move from it to NASCAR. I define it by what is on the track, and sprint cars on asphalt just isn't the same as on dirt. Thus my saying, if it's on pavement, it is not real sprint car racing in my eyes. It's more like NASCAR Jr.



racinrebel
February 18, 2008 at 04:50:56 AM
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Posted By: Rogue-9 on February 17 2008 at 08:12:37 PM

I wouldn't have minded if there was no big one if they didn't spend more than half of the last forty laps under caution. But if they're gonna spend all that time under caution it would be nice to have an interesting replay to watch. And my point about it not being a pass is that Newman didn't have to do anything to get the lead. he just kind of inherited it when Stewart made a dumb move. Technically it was a pass, but it wasn't a pass like Harvick over Martin last year, or the nice looking passes Stewart made on Dale Jr. today, one of the few interesting points of the race. It wasn't exciting watching Newman take the lead, it was "Why did Stewart just move down and hand him the lead." I mean Newman is better than Gordon, Johnson, Montoya, or either of the Busch's, but still, I just didn't feel like it should have been his race. Kind of like Kurt Busch with the 2004 championship, or even Ward Burton in 2002. It was an uneventful race with a disappointing finish, and when I came away from it I was really bitter. Newman isn't a sprint car driver in my mind in the way that Stewart, Yeley, Kahne or Blaney are. I liken him more to Gordon. When I think of former sprint drivers in NASCAR, I just don't think of Newman. maybe that's because all the pictures I've seen of him in a sprint car are on asphalt, and I don't think sprints on pavement is real sprint car racing.



Newman is better than Gordon? pretty sure he has at least 4 less championships than Gordon. Oh, wait, he doesn't have any... guess that still equals 4 less....


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Rogue-9
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Posted By: racinrebel on February 18 2008 at 04:50:56 AM

Newman is better than Gordon? pretty sure he has at least 4 less championships than Gordon. Oh, wait, he doesn't have any... guess that still equals 4 less....



Dude, I was saying that I'd rather see Newman win than Gordon, not that he's a better driver. That should have been blatantly obvious given the context of the statement.



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Rogue - I'm with ya dude. Except there are no exception from me on that one. If it ain;t on dirt - then IMO it sucks monkey balls. Local asphalt stuff may be alright - but I haven't seen it so - not bashin that. But with Nascrap it's all image and storyline and no entertaining racing. Anything entertaining on the whole 4-5 hour broadcast will be shown on Sportscenter shortly thereafter. That was what I practiced last couple years. Didn't watch one race live. Just watched highlights on espn afterwards. and most of the time I just thought if those were highlights I'm glad I did not waste my time. I lost interest after the Daytona "Tragedy" - after that - nascar became a FAD. Suddenly everyone was a diehard fans with stickers on their car and their little gay ass jackets. and then they invaded the chili bowl. f*** it - at least 1 time a year they get complete thump in the head lesson on what REAL RACING is. On 2nd thought - I'm not sure I ever had that much an interest in it. Until the last year - I always played at leats 4 indoor soccer games on sundays year round. Ironically, I gave that up - because it just became too god damned hard to get home from a sprint car race at 3 or 4am and get up to play at 7 or 8am. It got to be my worst day off. lol. well my bad I'm rambling.

just really haven;t ever found anything appealing about it - other than lookin at the results hopin the sprint car reps kicked ass. I personally find it hilarious that Toyota did so well. that probably ticked off half the redneck nation that ironically - probably drive Toyota's as well............


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February 18, 2008 at 07:49:49 AM
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Posted By: dmonahan on February 17 2008 at 10:22:40 PM

You're missing what I think was the most important aspect of this race. It was the first true "team racing" event in American motorsports. Starting on Thursday, when Michael Waltrip dropped back to pick up his teammate to draft him into a qualifying position, right through the last lap of th 500, when Stewart dropped down to draft with his teammate, that's what it was all about. That's really new. Even though Stewart's move backfired, that's the way it's going to be in NASCAR from now on.

Dick.



Do you pay attention to this nascar c###? What stays the same with it anymore for more than a year? If it makes it that long. Fans are declining and extremely good reasons why!!!!




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Posted By: OKCFan12 on February 18 2008 at 06:28:56 AM

Rogue - I'm with ya dude. Except there are no exception from me on that one. If it ain;t on dirt - then IMO it sucks monkey balls. Local asphalt stuff may be alright - but I haven't seen it so - not bashin that. But with Nascrap it's all image and storyline and no entertaining racing. Anything entertaining on the whole 4-5 hour broadcast will be shown on Sportscenter shortly thereafter. That was what I practiced last couple years. Didn't watch one race live. Just watched highlights on espn afterwards. and most of the time I just thought if those were highlights I'm glad I did not waste my time. I lost interest after the Daytona "Tragedy" - after that - nascar became a FAD. Suddenly everyone was a diehard fans with stickers on their car and their little gay ass jackets. and then they invaded the chili bowl. f*** it - at least 1 time a year they get complete thump in the head lesson on what REAL RACING is. On 2nd thought - I'm not sure I ever had that much an interest in it. Until the last year - I always played at leats 4 indoor soccer games on sundays year round. Ironically, I gave that up - because it just became too god damned hard to get home from a sprint car race at 3 or 4am and get up to play at 7 or 8am. It got to be my worst day off. lol. well my bad I'm rambling.

just really haven;t ever found anything appealing about it - other than lookin at the results hopin the sprint car reps kicked ass. I personally find it hilarious that Toyota did so well. that probably ticked off half the redneck nation that ironically - probably drive Toyota's as well............



Nascar needs to go back a ways and make the teams and makers work for how good they are. Nothing like the good ol' days of nascar when you didn't have s### given to ya to make everyone equal. I'm not an old guy, just used to watch nascar as a very young kid and couldn't take watching lap after lap being the same thing. Todays nascar fan- yesterdays nascar fan, reminds me of how Harley Davidson can't produce enough bikes. What's going to happen when all the lawers and doctors and ceo types become bored of this so called new found love they have? It will happen, crazes only last for so long. Sure hope nascar has a plan for that! Can 't imaging losing well over half your popularity from those few professions. Just my opinion though, so you can disagree, but you surely can't prove me wrong!!! As I went through the race results, I counted 10 drivers that I think could actually drive one of these cars 10-15 years ago and stay in nascar. Pretty watered down talent, I guess why they need to even every thing out is so they actually have a product.



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Posted By: BIGFISH on February 17 2008 at 10:26:07 PM

Nothing new about "team" racing in NASCAR. What, you just noticed?

Kenny



I don't watch NASCAR races regularly, but I read a lot, and I hear friends talking about them. Of course, there have always been drafting partners, but I don't believe there have ever been such strong team plans to work together.

I know a guy some years ago who said he became a NASCAR fan when he realized it was a form of endurance racing, that required as much off-track thinking as on-track. Now, I think they've added another dimension. It will be interesting to see if this continues on the non-restrictor-plate tracks.

BTW, the above is probably the principal reason I'm not interested in this racing. I like the short-track method of the crew's figuring out what to do before the race, then leaving it up to the driver. Which is also why I hate open reds.




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I can still remeber seeing Jeff Gordon as a youngster at Jack' son  MN. running an Outlaw show. He was so young and small he could barely see over the dash of the car.  Correct me if I'm wrong, It was either Gary Stanton's  or Stan Shof's car and I believe there was a thick phone book in the bottom of the seat so he could see over the dash. Maybe Stan M. has a picture.



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Tony said in an interview that there was no way he could have won that race on the high side because his car was not good up there and would have hit the wall or caused a major crash.

The only chance he said he had was to get down low and have his team mate Kyle push him but Kyle blew that away when he tried to jump the start and went below the yellow line and by the time they gained the momentum back on the bottom it was too late.

 





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