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This will make racing so much funner, sports betting will be available for High Limit Racing events in 2025. How long before someone says "the fix is in".

Rod

I mean, considering no one made sure Sweet was at minimum weight in New York in May... I think one could make that argument already if you were so inclined. 

I have no problem with sports betting, just not sprint car racing. Way to easy to minipulate a spot or two. Who is going to regulate this?

Bad idea.

Terrible idea!!! Along with the so called "charter sytem"! Leave that to Crapcar and sports betting to the tainted NFL! Larson and Sweet have no interest in bettering sprint racing, them and FLO are all about the money and could care less about the future of the sport!!!!

All about the $$$. To each their own but it continues to move the direction of NASCAR which gets me less interested. I just want good weekly racing at a local track but with all these traveling series I worry weekly stuff country wide will suffer. 

Isn't Usac already doing this?

Keep an eye out because I do remember certain guys having absurd odds because the people setting them initially had no idea what they were doing. I think it was Indiana Midget week. 

Hopefully like in other sports betting those involved in the racing are prohibited from betting on the races themselves. I understand the concern there, but why does anyone care if I throw $5 on a driver to win a race? 

I read on ESPN that in the past two years, dozens of professional and collegiate athletes and coaches have been suspended or fired for gambling violations. Some have gone to jail. I like to gamble like most people, but when you can put money on a race that doesn't pay much, just maybe, a driver could make more money if he didn't win but came in second. The old saying on how money corrupts has been around for god knows how long and is still true today as it was 100 years ago.

Rod

I don;t see a problem with it, what could go wrong. It's just taking the sport to the next level like everyone wants. More money more sponsers and best of all, more like nascar..

I'm looking forward to the High Limit Chase for the Championship in 2026.

For a couple of decades I've been waiting to see if this might happen in this sport.

My comments here have nothing to do with HL, but everything to do with the oddsmakers/rules.

I'm not into betting on sports whatsoever, and don't care if others do/don't. To each, their own.

But what I'm interested in seeing is what the 'cutoff' rules for betting will be, for example, and what the actual odds are.

Just one example out of many, you don't always know who is/isn't going to be in the infield at some of these events. Most have a general entry list, but about every race there will be 1-2 drivers that show up, or don't show up, that are surprising.

Sometimes, teams run into problems and literally don't make it to the track til the last possible moment.

I'll never forget when there was a Weds night WoO race at Knoxville and Mark Kinser had towrig problems and literally crossed the track and unloaded in the staging area while the clock ran down to near zero for time trials cutoff...and him jumping out the side door of the trailer all suited up while the trailer was coming to a stop. Then he got pushed off, cold engine, and not until coming out of turn four on the end of the first lap did the engine spring to life - and he went on to set quick time in a field of around cars. (sidebar: I was with a group of racers and as his rig rolled through the gate and I said "and there's who will set fast time"...and they all laughed at me...until about 2 minutes later. LOL.)

In a case like that, what happens to all of the people that placed bets based on 'who was signed in?' I mean, you can't allow people to bet after time trials, for example. (I'm pretty sure Mark won the feature that night too...it was one of those July WoO races in '96 or '97...of which he won both of.)

This type of sport is so unpredictable with instances like that, and that's why fans buy tickets to see sprint car races. You never know what's going to happen.

It'll also be interested to see if All Sports hires oddsmakers from within the sport, or if they use one of their existing oddsmakers.

Maybe there's a (paying) job in the wings for some sprint car racing aficionados out there to become their oddsmaker.

One thing is for sure, if they use existing stick & ball oddsmakers that don't take into account that some drivers perform better/worse at one track vs. another (for one example), there might be some odds they come up with that are worth taking a bet.

It really does sound allsome, just the name alone has my expectations soaring. How many races in the final chase and which tracks would you choose? 

Should be a hoot can we get segments and a lucky dog too that will be fun.

Like everything else in our society, it might not be "rigged" in the sense of cheating, but its set up so that companies running the betting are gonna come out on top over time, just like casinos

I prefer informal betting among friends....

High limit. For the "betterment" of sprint car racing. Sure. The "betterment" of Flo, Larson, and Swee's bank accounts.  But who couldn't seen this coming? It won't take long for "the fix is in" opinions to begin. But they couldn' care less. Laughing at you all the way to the bank. 

I know it's popular to bash H-L by the people who don't like them, but the first time I recall a push to "take sprint car racing to the next level " , it came from Ted Johnson and the WoO. 'Seems to me that H-L just beat WoO to the punch on this one.

Next up, play offs, starters, radios, rear-view mirrors, race stables, team drivers, etc... The money interests are trying to make sprint car racing into something it isn't- mainstream stick and ball sports. You can't turn sprint car racing into NASCAR soap opera politics at a roller derby and expect to expand the fan base.

Betting on sprint car racing won't improve the sport. It will just change the sport.

I'm not sure why only High Limit is getting so much flac for this on here.  USAC already has betting and it is likely coming to the WoO as well.

So much to say/add to this---not disagreeing or agreeing with you on anything................well thought out and said.

I guess I'll add this:  (not pointed at you Murph, just a generalization.)

1.  If you want sprint car racing to stay at a grassroots level, stop bitching about purses.  Just stop.  To stay at a grass-roots level means not involving big money.  It means letting these teams and drivers run on their own dime and figure out how to make it profitable on their own.  We stay out of it, because it's grass roots. 

2.  If you want sprint car racing to take the next step, up purses, and jump to the level of other high-paying sports, quit bitching about corporate sponsorships, drivers who conform to corporate rules, and any other means of injecting money into what is a grass-roots sport.  Just stop.  A few thousand people at a county fairgrounds, paying $30 for a seat, are not going to support the money that is showing up at these shows.  Period.  

Either way, people need to make their f@#$ing mind up and pick a side.  If you want to bitch about purses, while talking out the other side of your mouth about ticket prices, you must embrace the manner in which other sources of funding can come.  If you're completely happy with how things are going without corporate America and sport's betting, stop bitching because the purses are not to your liking.  Pick a side and stick to it.  You can't have it both ways!

That is all.  

It makes me feel dirty now, thinking back to when I was a teenager and we would bet $.25 a race.