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September 01, 2024 at
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to you know where? just a conversation starter ok?
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Posted By: NWFAN on September 01 2024 at 09:46:50 AM
to you know where? just a conversation starter ok?
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Why would they?
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Posted By: NWFAN on September 01 2024 at 09:46:50 AM
to you know where? just a conversation starter ok?
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I am wondering how many High Limit guys will leave. If they ran the 40 races so far that HL has with the WoO they would have $48,000 in tow money alone. How much as the HL guy in seventh place made so far this year in total purse money?
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I don't think any will.
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Posted By: Cool Trikes on September 01 2024 at 12:18:59 PM
I am wondering how many High Limit guys will leave. If they ran the 40 races so far that HL has with the WoO they would have $48,000 in tow money alone. How much as the HL guy in seventh place made so far this year in total purse money?
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I don't normally get into the HL vs.WoO conversation because I don't need to read the pissing match that develops. But there are a few facts to be made clear about HL's system. HL is paying tow money for 2024 and 2025. So I'm not sure what you are driving at with your question, Trikes. The charter system doesn't take effect until 2026, but for those that don't earn one in 2024 the ability to earn one in 2025 requires full-time attendance in 2024.
So any teams leaving HL after this season are likely to be outside of the top 12-13 from this season. Any team switching from WoO to HL after this season either prefers the way HL operates and doesn't care about charters, or is willing to make a 2-3 year commitment to earn one of HL's 4 additional charters that they will issue at their discretion after 2026. Also, anyone not on a HL charter in 2026 will earn tow money.
My opinion is that there won't be as many team switches between series as the fans might think, and certainly not from the top teams. The teams that signed with HL for 2024 knew what they were getting into, and pulling the plug after one year means their own long-term plans changed. Driver switches, however, are independent of the charter talk and could be rampant or minimal.
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Posted By: Jake B. on September 01 2024 at 01:44:01 PM
I don't normally get into the HL vs.WoO conversation because I don't need to read the pissing match that develops. But there are a few facts to be made clear about HL's system. HL is paying tow money for 2024 and 2025. So I'm not sure what you are driving at with your question, Trikes. The charter system doesn't take effect until 2026, but for those that don't earn one in 2024 the ability to earn one in 2025 requires full-time attendance in 2024.
So any teams leaving HL after this season are likely to be outside of the top 12-13 from this season. Any team switching from WoO to HL after this season either prefers the way HL operates and doesn't care about charters, or is willing to make a 2-3 year commitment to earn one of HL's 4 additional charters that they will issue at their discretion after 2026. Also, anyone not on a HL charter in 2026 will earn tow money.
My opinion is that there won't be as many team switches between series as the fans might think, and certainly not from the top teams. The teams that signed with HL for 2024 knew what they were getting into, and pulling the plug after one year means their own long-term plans changed. Driver switches, however, are independent of the charter talk and could be rampant or minimal.
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Well stated response and myself being someone who likes and follows drivers and teams of both series, I agree with your take on this as well.
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Posted By: Jake B. on September 01 2024 at 01:44:01 PM
I don't normally get into the HL vs.WoO conversation because I don't need to read the pissing match that develops. But there are a few facts to be made clear about HL's system. HL is paying tow money for 2024 and 2025. So I'm not sure what you are driving at with your question, Trikes. The charter system doesn't take effect until 2026, but for those that don't earn one in 2024 the ability to earn one in 2025 requires full-time attendance in 2024.
So any teams leaving HL after this season are likely to be outside of the top 12-13 from this season. Any team switching from WoO to HL after this season either prefers the way HL operates and doesn't care about charters, or is willing to make a 2-3 year commitment to earn one of HL's 4 additional charters that they will issue at their discretion after 2026. Also, anyone not on a HL charter in 2026 will earn tow money.
My opinion is that there won't be as many team switches between series as the fans might think, and certainly not from the top teams. The teams that signed with HL for 2024 knew what they were getting into, and pulling the plug after one year means their own long-term plans changed. Driver switches, however, are independent of the charter talk and could be rampant or minimal.
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great post Jake, great insight...
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Posted By: Cool Trikes on September 01 2024 at 12:18:59 PM
I am wondering how many High Limit guys will leave. If they ran the 40 races so far that HL has with the WoO they would have $48,000 in tow money alone. How much as the HL guy in seventh place made so far this year in total purse money?
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Justin Peck has won about $188,000 total and he has not won a race all year. This does not include tow money. He ranks 17th in money won. Logan Schuhart has won about $212,000 and has 4 wins (3 outside the outlaws for $32,000). This does not include tow money. He ranks 16th in money won so far. There are currently 28 410 drivers/teams that have won over $100,000. 12 HL (not counting Larson) and 8 WoO in this 28. Brian Brown, Windom, and Zearfoss are close. Gravel, Abreu, Day, Larson, and Sweet top 5 so far. This does not include tow money. I think sprint car racing is in a good place. Still a lot of money to be won in both series.
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Posted By: NWFAN on September 01 2024 at 09:46:50 AM
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I don't see a need. They can do pretty good where they are at. Same for HL guys, although I could see a few changes there. Example Cory Day doing asphalt crap. I think the more interesting question is going to be how many teams stay on tour with each series and how many new teams join them. One new one for sure-Cole Macedo with Two C racing with the Outlaws.
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Posted By: NWFAN on September 01 2024 at 09:46:50 AM
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? Why? Did we all miss something?
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I think you might have some High Limit teams making the switch as well, some on the lower end might find $1k tow money per event to be enticing.
Unless Meyers replaces Day with someone of similar ability (unlikely as Day is already a top 10 performer) that car will either be part time on the midweek series or taking a step back in performance with a lesser driver.
If High Limit sets rules allowing any team to contend for a charter next year if you finish in the top 5 I think you may have some temptation for some, but I think the most likely team would have been the JJR 41, and I would think the Macedos would want to run together at least once on the woo tour.
More likely, maybe Dietz finds some funding to run a 2nd car on High Liimit to follow what Shark and Roth have done, splitting the series among two teams.
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Posted By: Latemodel1 on September 02 2024 at 02:31:22 AM
Justin Peck has won about $188,000 total and he has not won a race all year. This does not include tow money. He ranks 17th in money won. Logan Schuhart has won about $212,000 and has 4 wins (3 outside the outlaws for $32,000). This does not include tow money. He ranks 16th in money won so far. There are currently 28 410 drivers/teams that have won over $100,000. 12 HL (not counting Larson) and 8 WoO in this 28. Brian Brown, Windom, and Zearfoss are close. Gravel, Abreu, Day, Larson, and Sweet top 5 so far. This does not include tow money. I think sprint car racing is in a good place. Still a lot of money to be won in both series.
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12 guys are over $300k already, only 8 achieved that in all of 2023. 6 Outlaws, 4 High Limit, Larson and Macri (who has the best gig in sprint car racing, spending 60% of his schedule near home and still making great money).
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Posted By: Jake B. on September 01 2024 at 01:44:01 PM
I don't normally get into the HL vs.WoO conversation because I don't need to read the pissing match that develops. But there are a few facts to be made clear about HL's system. HL is paying tow money for 2024 and 2025. So I'm not sure what you are driving at with your question, Trikes. The charter system doesn't take effect until 2026, but for those that don't earn one in 2024 the ability to earn one in 2025 requires full-time attendance in 2024.
So any teams leaving HL after this season are likely to be outside of the top 12-13 from this season. Any team switching from WoO to HL after this season either prefers the way HL operates and doesn't care about charters, or is willing to make a 2-3 year commitment to earn one of HL's 4 additional charters that they will issue at their discretion after 2026. Also, anyone not on a HL charter in 2026 will earn tow money.
My opinion is that there won't be as many team switches between series as the fans might think, and certainly not from the top teams. The teams that signed with HL for 2024 knew what they were getting into, and pulling the plug after one year means their own long-term plans changed. Driver switches, however, are independent of the charter talk and could be rampant or minimal.
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HL tow money is $1500 per according to Rico statement early on...
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Posted By: NWFAN on September 02 2024 at 10:00:32 AM
HL tow money is $1500 per according to Rico statement early on...
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That would be $24k per event for the series to pay, that's unsustainable if true.
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Posted By: dsc1600 on September 02 2024 at 10:13:07 AM
That would be $24k per event for the series to pay, that's unsustainable if true.
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600$ 500$ 400$ tow money depending on where they are in the standings for hl WoO was 800$ per until July then 1000 per after that for this season
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Another angle to add: Donnie Schatz said in a mid-season interview that he and Tony Stewart were at a coin flip as to which series to run. They sat down and calculated all travel expenses for rigs and equipment as well as hotel costs for all crew. The WoO was the more economical choice for their team.
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Posted By: egras on September 02 2024 at 12:20:26 PM
Another angle to add: Donnie Schatz said in a mid-season interview that he and Tony Stewart were at a coin flip as to which series to run. They sat down and calculated all travel expenses for rigs and equipment as well as hotel costs for all crew. The WoO was the more economical choice for their team.
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Now there's an interesting thought to ponder. To come to any financial conclusion, the team would have had to put in a line item of expected winnings.
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There will be a third option in 2025, you heard it here first.
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Posted By: Murphy on September 02 2024 at 01:07:56 PM
Now there's an interesting thought to ponder. To come to any financial conclusion, the team would have had to put in a line item of expected winnings.
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We all know racing around 30 times more would be more expensive. There calculator must have been bad.
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on September 02 2024 at 08:10:14 PM
We all know racing around 30 times more would be more expensive. There calculator must have been bad.
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Or they forgot to factor in the dice roll income.
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