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"It's all rigged" about spit my beverage out with that statement during the dash draw...lol...

Haha ! Well it was a great race and I was really happy to see Peck pull it off! He's been pretty fast all year and is deserving some wins to show for that speed. 

Good race.Kyle starting on front row isnt what that series needs.With his talent would be better show with him at least 4 rows back.Shorter tracks make for exciting racing and field is stout but missing some of the best but glad they are doing it.

Justin Peck deserved that win. Rico is going to be one of the favs going into the nationals. Corey Day, first time I've seen this kid. WOW These young guys coming up will be retiring some seasoned drivers. Sanders continues to impress and Day was up on the wheel. Good race.

That was some really good fierce racing on a tricky track. Kinda weird but I like seeing sprint cars race in the twi-night/ not quite dark early evening, they look good in that lighting. 

Could not agree more. Start him behind the dash. 

Within hearing distance of Tri City Speedway

I only see the highlights, but has anyone taken the bonus to jump back a few rows?

Keep It Real

He started 1st at Grandview and 2nd at Kokomo and didn't win either race....

So, I'll ask the question again:  If Kyle shouldn't start on the front row,   1.  Where should the drivers who earn those spots start     2.  What incentive is there for being fast and racing in the heats?    

I'm so lost by the old logic of inverts in today's racing.  

Fans pay to see him win and others want the favorite to not. But they all pay.There are sevearal non WOO regulars that make this series very popular.If series is profitable dont know but fun to watch. Several different winners but lapped traffic is the key . You cant penalize someone for being good but some of the best races ever have been when a favorite has bad luck or problems and comes from deep even if they come up short the fans love it.In the old days the cars werent as competitive but today several cars are equal.Dont know how much pay for view adds to bottom line but has expanded the number of viewers that are now fans.

Yes I will pay to watch Kyle run a sprint car race any day.  

A Couple of thoughts:

The lapped traffic does play a big part in sprint car racing. Maybe it would be best if H-L concentrated on smaller tracks?

If everyone is so concerned that Larson is winning all the time, maybe they should consider cutting what first place pays, and spread that money out through the rest of the field.

Let's apply that to the Outlaws too then. Start Sweet, Gravel, Macedo, and Schatz behind the Outlaw dash cars. I like it!

I am sure you are same person that makes fun of participation trophies.  Larson earned his spot.  

Gotcha----sabotage the fast cars each night to see if they can run from the back.  (FYI---they can't----cars are not the same as they were in 1985)

He earned a spot in the dash. you have lucky draw to start front row in it. I you want to say some earned the front row then have some for point system for time trials and heats. Start them heads up in the dash or skip the dash and start them heads up in the feature then who ever starts on the front row will have earned it no matter who it is.

Since it seems like everyone has a problem with formats, I have an idea that everyone should love.  For single night events they should have drivers draw for their spot they time in.  Have the drivers do the time trials, then run time trials again but this time in the opposite order they ran them in for the first session.  Afterwards average the driver's 4 laps and the driver with the fastest average lap is the event winner.  This would solve everyone's problems.  The fastest car would always win, nobody would get screwed by timing later than someone else, nobody would get the unfair advantage of being in a "slow" heat, nobody would get screwed by lapped traffic and there should be a lot less mechanical failures since the teams would only be running 4 laps a night plus hot laps.  And it would be great for the fans too, most races should be done before 10 and they shouldn't have to sit through "farming the track".

Now personally I wouldn't want to see this.  I go to see a race, if it were up to me, I'd get rid of time trials because I hate them.  I've never understood why people want strait up formats (fastest guy starts up front).  Yes I get that it's harder to pass today than it ever has been and many times in the heats it's impossible after the first couple of laps.  But in my opinion it should be hard to win one of these events.  It seems like everyone who whines about a format says something like "what's the incentive to time good?", well for the guys who don't have a budget like the outlaws have, what's the incentive for them to even show up?  I wish the WOO would adopt a similar format to Knoxville's for every race they ran.  I know it's "not fair" but over the coarse of 50-80 races (however long the season in) the best team is still going to win.  I personally would rather see how the best drivers handle adversity, I'd love to see the top guys have to run a B feature once in a while, lets see them start from the back how they navigate traffic.   It's funny how "unfair" the Knoxville format is (as I'm sure we're about to see a ton of posts about in the next few weeks) that the majority of the A feature is made up of the top teams.

Donny is already doing this!

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!

Every year there is a team or two that times in top 10 or so gets in an below average heat  and qualifies for the feature and finishes the A in top  half and makes the a main at the Nationals. Last year T Philips was the man and became a crowd favorite being local and running well. Drawing the number 1 in  dash at High Limit or WOO shows with the equality of the top cars is a definate advantage and is simply luck of the draw.Very seldom is there more than 3 0r 4 passes in the dash one reason being the clean air at the front and also being able to start race. The cream seems to rise to the top but after first 10 of the top cars usually find a way then there are many equal teams that need to have some racing luck thats what makes it fun. Some teams are expected and do well at most every race. The top WOO teams with exception of Kyle and Rico will always be favored to win the big ones . We all hope for a good storyline of a team that is lower budget and could use the money but that usually doesnt happen.Shark $1M win was an example but they are a really good team also that can win any night. There are a few teams that follow WOO that wouldnt be considered contenders at  weekly Knoxville shows but are following their dream which helps the car count in areas where 410 sprint cars have a hard time getting full fields.

I would much rather listen to Ron than your know it all butt.