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larsonfan
February 02, 2023 at 07:29:31 PM
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If I am late to the party, I apologize, but, I just saw a post on Twitter tonight from Lincoln Speedway showing their scheduled races that will be streamed on Flo this season. Gone are the weekly broadcasts from the track like in previous years. Anybody know what happened and why they've dropped their weekly shows on flo? Please spare me, if you will, the tired argument that streaming hurts in-house attendance. Every race I watched from Lincoln last year had good crowds. Looks like it's Port Royal on Flo for me then.




longtimefan
February 02, 2023 at 07:47:02 PM
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Posted By: larsonfan on February 02 2023 at 07:29:31 PM

If I am late to the party, I apologize, but, I just saw a post on Twitter tonight from Lincoln Speedway showing their scheduled races that will be streamed on Flo this season. Gone are the weekly broadcasts from the track like in previous years. Anybody know what happened and why they've dropped their weekly shows on flo? Please spare me, if you will, the tired argument that streaming hurts in-house attendance. Every race I watched from Lincoln last year had good crowds. Looks like it's Port Royal on Flo for me then.



It seems your question can't be answered without hurting your feelings especially when weather is questionable. What is considered good attenance one place may not be normal elsewhere.



motorhead748
February 02, 2023 at 08:15:16 PM
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If tracks feel that streaming is hurting attendance this is what happens. 




larsonfan
February 02, 2023 at 08:25:45 PM
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Posted By: longtimefan on February 02 2023 at 07:47:02 PM

It seems your question can't be answered without hurting your feelings especially when weather is questionable. What is considered good attenance one place may not be normal elsewhere.



Thanks for sparing my feelings. I'll just jump in my car and drive the 8 hours one way to attend Lincoln a person. Would that satisfy you?



dsc1600
February 02, 2023 at 09:00:31 PM
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This myth that Lincoln is packed every week is just that, a myth. 



longtimefan
February 03, 2023 at 06:29:41 AM
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Posted By: larsonfan on February 02 2023 at 08:25:45 PM

Thanks for sparing my feelings. I'll just jump in my car and drive the 8 hours one way to attend Lincoln a person. Would that satisfy you?



Don't shoot the messenger. I have been saying on here for a year or more that either flo will start to cost more so more can go to tracks or shows will be cut from it. Why do you think NFL games are blacked out locally if they are not sold out.I can tell it is being discussed at other tracks.




hiroshimacarp
February 03, 2023 at 06:30:44 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on February 02 2023 at 09:00:31 PM

This myth that Lincoln is packed every week is just that, a myth. 



is that flo's fault or the track's fault?  the gettysburg clash and the tuesday speedweek race at lincoln might be my two favorite races all year.  beyond that...i'd much rather go to port royal on a saturday night.  

making the dirt classic non-sanctioned seems like a mistake too.  they'll be lucky to catch some all star guys between their race in ohio saturday and the labor day race at port royal.  

does anybody know some of the actual dollars...like how much money tracks get and what the percentage is?  what was their revenue like before and after flo came along?  there would be a lot of factors changing revenue in addition to what streaming adds and also potentially takes away through decreased attendance.  it's all speculation wthout numbers and i'm assuming we'll never see them.  

i hear similar complaining from my drexel basketball friends who hate flo.  without numbers...i don't know how you can have a strong opinion one way or another other than it's really nice to sit back and watch sports i never got to see for myself before.  i honestly won't miss the lincoln features that much and maybe this also a trend towards running mostly special shows.



BStrawser26
February 03, 2023 at 06:37:15 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on February 02 2023 at 09:00:31 PM

This myth that Lincoln is packed every week is just that, a myth. 



A couple of times I watched part of Port too.  And lets just say there were not many people in the stands.  Looked like a lot of Aluminum with a few people scattered throughout the bleachers.  


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

winged thunder
February 03, 2023 at 07:33:23 AM
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Posted By: hiroshimacarp on February 03 2023 at 06:30:44 AM

is that flo's fault or the track's fault?  the gettysburg clash and the tuesday speedweek race at lincoln might be my two favorite races all year.  beyond that...i'd much rather go to port royal on a saturday night.  

making the dirt classic non-sanctioned seems like a mistake too.  they'll be lucky to catch some all star guys between their race in ohio saturday and the labor day race at port royal.  

does anybody know some of the actual dollars...like how much money tracks get and what the percentage is?  what was their revenue like before and after flo came along?  there would be a lot of factors changing revenue in addition to what streaming adds and also potentially takes away through decreased attendance.  it's all speculation wthout numbers and i'm assuming we'll never see them.  

i hear similar complaining from my drexel basketball friends who hate flo.  without numbers...i don't know how you can have a strong opinion one way or another other than it's really nice to sit back and watch sports i never got to see for myself before.  i honestly won't miss the lincoln features that much and maybe this also a trend towards running mostly special shows.



Yes, Port Royal gets $100/show.  Yes, that's right, PEANUTS.




Centralpa410
February 03, 2023 at 08:27:30 AM
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Dirt track PPV has killed attendance at WG, Lincoln, and Port Royal (with the exception of Speedweek at Lincoln and Port and the Tuscarora 50).

I honestly don't know how people say it has not. I love Floracing but I am not surprised one single iota with this. I would bet Port will follow. 



beezr2002
February 03, 2023 at 09:16:24 AM
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Lincoln has a good crowd at 80% of their shows, I'm there enough to know.  Maybe Flo will come up with a super double platinum membership that would allow you to watch more racing if the tracks get more money. Of course, a super double platinum subscription will cost more. I still subscribe to Flo but I don't watch it as much as I used to, it doesn't replace being at the track.



longtimefan
February 03, 2023 at 09:29:34 AM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on February 03 2023 at 06:37:15 AM

A couple of times I watched part of Port too.  And lets just say there were not many people in the stands.  Looked like a lot of Aluminum with a few people scattered throughout the bleachers.  



You only watched part of it a couple of times but you know the track conditions almost every week?




longtimefan
February 03, 2023 at 09:31:03 AM
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Posted By: beezr2002 on February 03 2023 at 09:16:24 AM

Lincoln has a good crowd at 80% of their shows, I'm there enough to know.  Maybe Flo will come up with a super double platinum membership that would allow you to watch more racing if the tracks get more money. Of course, a super double platinum subscription will cost more. I still subscribe to Flo but I don't watch it as much as I used to, it doesn't replace being at the track.



Fifty people would not affect the look of the crowd but $20 each that is $1000.



beezr2002
February 03, 2023 at 09:37:59 AM
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Posted By: longtimefan on February 03 2023 at 09:31:03 AM

Fifty people would not affect the look of the crowd but $20 each that is $1000.



I will agree that streaming has knocked crowds back a bit, I'm guilty of staying home on some of those cold spring days and watching a stream. 



Michael_N
February 03, 2023 at 11:45:42 AM
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Bummer. Guess I'm done with FLO. Lincoln was the one I looked forward to on Sunday morn with a cup of coffee. 




BStrawser26
February 03, 2023 at 12:17:48 PM
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This message was edited on February 03, 2023 at 12:58:59 PM by BStrawser26
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Posted By: longtimefan on February 03 2023 at 09:29:34 AM

You only watched part of it a couple of times but you know the track conditions almost every week?



I only watch part because that is all I can stand most times. 

I HATE asphalt tracks.....that think they are dirt. If the times early in the night for the 410s aren't in the 15 second bracket the track is JUNK!   Razor Steve needs to find the keys to the water truck.  They have been lost for years.   Although he did hit it Tuscarora 50 night last year.


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Parnelli98
February 03, 2023 at 12:21:05 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on February 03 2023 at 12:17:48 PM

I only watch part because that is all I can stand most times. 

I HATE asphalt tracks.....that think they are dirt. If the times early in the night for the 410s aren't in the 15 second bracket the track is JUNK!   Razor Steve needs to find the keys to the water truck.  They have been lost for years.   Although he did hit it Tuscarora 50 night last year.



Nobody cares this is about Flo and Lincoln go cry somewhere else.



BStrawser26
February 03, 2023 at 12:57:28 PM
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This message was edited on February 03, 2023 at 12:58:06 PM by BStrawser26
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Posted By: Parnelli98 on February 03 2023 at 12:21:05 PM

Nobody cares this is about Flo and Lincoln go cry somewhere else.



WHO CARES WHAT YOU THINK!  

Longtime is the one that brought it up.  I guess you can't read?


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

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Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!


larsonfan
February 03, 2023 at 01:01:48 PM
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Posted By: Centralpa410 on February 03 2023 at 08:27:30 AM

Dirt track PPV has killed attendance at WG, Lincoln, and Port Royal (with the exception of Speedweek at Lincoln and Port and the Tuscarora 50).

I honestly don't know how people say it has not. I love Floracing but I am not surprised one single iota with this. I would bet Port will follow. 



Blaming Flo and DV for poor attendance is just an excuse and is a low-hanging scapegoat for, in this case, Lincoln. It's an excuse for them instead of looking at and addressing such as poorly-run shows that last way too long, as well as other things that are within their control that need to be addressed. How many people does Lincoln (or Port, or whover else is doing this) think eliminating streaming will put back in the stands per race? Hundreds, a thousand? No way.

Also, what about the teams that negotiated with sponsors saying that the exposure their company/product will get would be far beyond Hanover PA because of Flo?

Finally, it's easy to say that streaming has killed attendance . Where's the proof? Also, as for Port Royal only getting a hundred dollars per race from Flo - I'm not buying it. I'd like to see proof of that as well instead of heresay.



winged thunder
February 03, 2023 at 01:07:27 PM
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Posted By: larsonfan on February 03 2023 at 01:01:48 PM

Blaming Flo and DV for poor attendance is just an excuse and is a low-hanging scapegoat for, in this case, Lincoln. It's an excuse for them instead of looking at and addressing such as poorly-run shows that last way too long, as well as other things that are within their control that need to be addressed. How many people does Lincoln (or Port, or whover else is doing this) think eliminating streaming will put back in the stands per race? Hundreds, a thousand? No way.

Also, what about the teams that negotiated with sponsors saying that the exposure their company/product will get would be far beyond Hanover PA because of Flo?

Finally, it's easy to say that streaming has killed attendance . Where's the proof? Also, as for Port Royal only getting a hundred dollars per race from Flo - I'm not buying it. I'd like to see proof of that as well instead of heresay.



Whether or not you want to buy it or not is up to you, however, that information is factual.  Take it or leave it, whatever.





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