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From what I have read:

- Grant and Stockon's tires were tested at Volusia following the WRG event there and failed. They were fined and suspended from Xtreme competition. 

- 4 guys (I don't think they ever released the names) were found to have doped their tires initially at the Ocala race for USAC. USAC seemed to bend over backwards to find different labs to test the tire and 2 of those labs came back negative meaning the tires were fine. I believe the lab they normally go to for testing is the lab that came back with a positive test, but am not sure.

- 3 teams have stated they won't race USAC either this year or this weekend (Lawrenceburg was rained out anyway), Kunz, Amati and Jake Swanson's team. 

Total debacle. 

So for those of us on the outside the assumption here is that KKM, Amati, and Team AZ (and most likely others) believe USAC is covering something up so that they don't have to suspend 4 of their stars, and therefore have decided to protest by no longer racing USAC sprint car events.  Is that a correct assumption?

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perris speedway has been filled with water and boat races for rest of year...

it's april fools day

That seems to be correct, whether it's "covering up" or "shopping for a different opinion", the teams seem pissed enough to boycott. How long that boycott lasts and how it impacts the USAC/WRG thing remains to be seen. 

I've been reading a lot of the reaction on social media and can hardly believe what's being written.

Samples were taken and no they were not found to have doped their tyres per the comment above. The tyres were found to have not reached manufacturers benchmark, a very different outcome. The variance to the benchmark was not a variance that is typically found in our form of racing. At this point alarm bells should be ringing. 4 independent teams all not meeting the benchmark in a way that doesn't make any sense and not meeting the benchmark in the same way? Seems unlikely (but possible and thus the further testing).

Though they get it right most of the time, measuring equipment and labs are not foolproof. Equipment can give incorrect readings and labs can experience contamination or equipment malfunction. 

USAC absolutely did the right thing in pursuing further analysis. The additional two labs finding no variance from the manufacturers benchmark, even when prompted with the chemical found by the initial lab. The evidence clearly points to a problem with the outcome provided by the initial lab.

USAC should be congratulated for pursuing this matter in a professional manner and for designing a fair & equitable process which given the evidence we have before us appears to have come to the right conclusion. 

I don't think teams would be boycotting the race if all were kosher. It takes a lot for teams to stop racing with a group even for a weekend and to publicly state that. 

I do not know how usac does it, but I think the only way to check tires is to take a tire sample before car goes on track and mark the tire with paint.  A tire picks up all kinds of crap off of track.  You have brake fluid, engine oil.power steering oil rear grease plus other crap.  I was told by track official that they must also send in dirt samples from track along with tire sample.  I would guess anything you put on your tire would show up on track as tire wears.  .  I went to a go kart dealer to buy some tire soap.  He asked me if I wanted some tire softner.  I said heck no, I do not want to be known as a cheater, they would deduct points and ask for money back I had won.  I wanted nothing to do with it.  He said I will not tell you what teams, but I sell some tire softner to some teams.

Looks like the WoO complete takeover of non-wanged racing is gonna be a couple years early. 

You will always be known as the King of Wang Lovers. Gobble it up sucker.

Oh, the team that has ran what, 5 races in the past how many years? Still going to show up to midget races with a rig that is filled with a 1/3rd of the field? Crocodile tears...

I get how it could look like a cover up. I can also see how USAC second guessed that lab with that many positives at the start of the season.

There were other teams that were passing on L-burg and heading to Lincoln Park for apparently less money. 

Within hearing distance of Tri City Speedway

Not to mention getting kicked off the Indy 500 sanction. 

Within hearing distance of Tri City Speedway

I wonder how the big pow-wow went this morning at the newly remodled 'industrial chic' offices at the  corner of 16th & Main? I'm sure it was very transparent and productive. 

From the one team I seen that actually attended and posted what they felt about it 

Everything was transparent and they are totally satisfied by the findings and the reason more research was needed  this team runs mostly usac and has competed for the championship before with Darland.  Phillips/Daigh Motorsports

Ah, an IOW regular graces us with his presence!

Welcome!

2 teams that weren't as happy...

CHANGE OF PLANS: Team AZ Racing and Keith Kunz/Curb-Agajanian Motorsports have expressed their interest in the Xtreme Outlaw Sprint Car Series and plan on supporting the new Series going forward.

Jake Swanson of Anaheim, CA enjoyed an impressive debut at Volusia, finishing seventh on night one and running third on night two before a heartbreaking DNF. He currently sits 11th in points aboard the #21AZ with his first appearance in Missouri looming.

Keith Kunz, the leader of Toyota Racing’s powerhouse midget program at KKM, has returned to the sprint car community and quickly found success with Buddy Kofoid finishing second, fifth, and sixth with USAC in Florida. A driver for the Curb Records #67 this weekend hasn’t been announced yet, but Kunz has voiced his support as well for the new Xtreme Outlaw Series.

percynz:  I get dizzy once in a while when reading a post from a poster who really know his/her sprint car stuff and we have several of those people on this forum.

ps  I'm one of those guys who wake up every morning and is happy to be alive & still able to travel to sprint car races.  River Cities, Husets and WoO races.

Lawlessness + liberalism = HELL -  NYC, Detroit, Chicago, 
Seattle, LA  Who the H runs those cities. 

Tell it like it is Brother Sap, not sure what it reminds me of more, The Titanic or the Hindenburg.  Who's the sucker here, lol..

Care to wager a sundae on that? or beer, whatever?

I've seen two teams that have uncommitted to the full USAC tour.  neither of which were in the tour last year.  One mostly cherry picked and did some usac races. won one.   KKM has been in and out of USAC racing sprints for decades now.

Two teams clearly said USAC proved their case and they will support em going foreward and hopes that such dilligence and integrity continue.

As far as Xtreme takeover.  So two of the top drivers in last years NW ranking are in it.    One is suspended.    They have two race tracks scheduled outside of Powri War territory.  Atomic scheduled every sanction.    How they get another thirty tracks from coast to coast,  WI to FL Well.  That's yet to be seen.   Only about a dozen teams able and willing to do all that traveling. and most of them have day jobs.

So if boycotting 3/4ths of the higher paying shows out there is your thing,  MORE Power too ya.     Worked great for USA/NST when most of the teams ran the WoO big shows anyway.

I was always of the opinion that the Xtreme series is a good thing and both series is great.   The takeover boycott does nothing but hurt both the shows and fan base.

If there's only about a dozen travelling non-wing teams in the country, then how is starting another sanction a good thing? USAC car counts are already pretty low outside of Indiana.

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