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Dear Glen,

Please choose from our menu of options:

1.  Same schedule with high quality racing featuring WoO, WoO Late Models, MPS MSTS 360 sprints and open shows.

2.  IMCA weekly racing of stock cars, hobby stocks and b mods and hornets with 1-2 sprint car shows.

Thanks for ordering.  If you like high quality racing press option 1.  Otherwise if you like a glorified demo derby and white trash idiots banging on each other every week including June July and August, press option 2.

Have fun and happy shopping......

I liked the weekly Power Series MSTS shows that payed $3.000 to win & good money to start & 305 that we had on just about every Friday one of the best 360 shows & 305 shows in the country but you must have forgot about that that all but disappeared when Tod bought Huset as for the Woo I will not pay that much money for mid 30's in sprint cars or teen' in late models no where did I say anything about IMCA or demo derdy's     Glen Murra

That all disappeared when Governor "The Flannel Furor" Walz shut down the state of MN for the entire racing season in 2019.    Several months before Todd bought Huset's.

Before directly commenting on this question, I think a preface is needed.

Growing up going to the supermodified races at Jackson & Huset's, then transitioning to the sprint cars to sprint cars in about 1975...then with the advent of Hartford and having three sprint car tracks in the area...there was plenty of great racing to be had for fans.

Then the sprints went primarily to wings in the region in May of 1982 (after Gary Scott's crash) and that's when things changed even more when Knoxville, tracks in PA and in other locationsdecided to further delineate the division into 410 and 360's (which were previously called Limiteds there). 

But, the tracks around Jackson didn't change names. The 360's were simply called Championship Sprints - and few people in the stands even knew, or cared, that there was any difference.

They shown up in droves every Saturday night to watch Championship Sprints.

As a matter of fact, I bet I saw Doug Johnson there at every single one of them back in the day, so he's seen the whole evolution of the track, the sport and the division(s) as well. 

Then, the division continued nationally for nearly 20 years with further emphasis on engine size - which to me has always been a big mistake. But not Jackson.

Even Huset's was smart to leave their 'Championship Sprint' division name intact when they added 'Outlaw Sprints' to their program.

That brings us to 9/11.

After that season, things started to change in a hurry in this sport - and not for the good.

Transportation costs for race teams and fans literally tripled for the next several years, yet no one in the industry changed to accomodate this new reality.

Fans went from saying 'well, now it costs more to get there than it does to buy event tickets' so is it really worth traveling that far to?

Then came video - and it created a new challenge for the tracks as in many cases you could skip going to the track altogether and watch a clip of it the next day or two, because more and more households had internet access.

If you stop and think about it, right about at that time competitor purses basically plateaued, as there were dwindling fan counts at a lot of tracks, and tracks couldn't afford to pay more than they did. Track overhead also increased a lot as insurance costs and track worker costs continued to grow at most tracks.

All that being said, now let's get back to the OP's comment about Jackson's 2021 schedule:

Honestly to me their schedule is simply smart business. There's only so many cars to go around, and fans are only willing to travel if they are literally guaranteed a big car count - and especially to a division now labeled as '360's'.

When you tell a race fan that something is 'lesser than' what they have been told that they need to care about (in this case, the division labeled '410', the fan already knows to expect less, so they want more to compensate for it.

Example. USAC Silver Crown.

Never ever ever do you hear them say "Hey, now it's time for these overweight, oversized, underpowered slugs to come out and run 50 or 100 laps." That's why they're simply called and advertised as Silver Crown cars.

If you go to one of their events not knowing what's under the hood comparatively, you're probably going to leave the event saying it was a good race and you're already looking forward to the next time you can see them.

As a promoter it's your job to train the fans as to what they want to see, just like the Silver Crown and Championship Sprint examples.

And the second you start telling fans that one division is better, based on the assumption of size alone, you've already told the fans that the other division(s) are when you go to the bathroom or get food.

That's really unfortunate, but it's what's happened.

When you take huge tracks that require a ton of overhead to operate on race night, it takes a huge amount of fans to make it pan out financially.

There's just not enough sprint teams to split between area tracks, thus, the reduced schedule. It's more about quality of events, not quantity.

If it were financially prudent to race every Saturday night, trust me, they would be - just like back in the days before a 3-digit number determined whether a fan chose to go to the races or not. 

Whatever track or division you choose to go to this weekend, enjoy it - and be glad we still get to do it at all. 

Shut down year was 2020 I also received a message from Tod Quiring on messenger answering my questions Jackson has 2 360 shows left if you like weekly sprint car racing at Jackson get out and fill the stands to capacity on September 3&4 and let Doug & Tod no you will do the same next year     Glen Murra  

Yep, got the year mixed up but the point remains The Flannel Furor is mostly responsible for what has transpired at Jackson for 2020 and this year.

It would be extremely hard running a business in a state with a Governor that will shut down businesses completely for an entire year for no good reason.

Before directly commenting on this question, I think a preface is needed.

Growing up going to the supermodified races at Jackson & Huset's, then transitioning to the sprint cars to sprint cars in about 1975...then with the advent of Hartford and having three sprint car tracks in the area...there was plenty of great racing to be had for fans.

Then the sprints went primarily to wings in the region in May of 1982 (after Gary Scott's crash) and that's when things changed even more when Knoxville, tracks in PA and in other locationsdecided to further delineate the division into 410 and 360's (which were previously called Limiteds there). 

But, the tracks around Jackson didn't change names. The 360's were simply called Championship Sprints - and few people in the stands even knew, or cared, that there was any difference.

They shown up in droves every Saturday night to watch Championship Sprints.

As a matter of fact, I bet I saw Doug Johnson there at every single one of them back in the day, so he's seen the whole evolution of the track, the sport and the division(s) as well. 

Then, the division continued nationally for nearly 20 years with further emphasis on engine size - which to me has always been a big mistake. But not Jackson.

Even Huset's was smart to leave their 'Championship Sprint' division name intact when they added 'Outlaw Sprints' to their program.

That brings us to 9/11.

After that season, things started to change in a hurry in this sport - and not for the good.

Transportation costs for race teams and fans literally tripled for the next several years, yet no one in the industry changed to accomodate this new reality.

Fans went from saying 'well, now it costs more to get there than it does to buy event tickets' so is it really worth traveling that far to?

Then came video - and it created a new challenge for the tracks as in many cases you could skip going to the track altogether and watch a clip of it the next day or two, because more and more households had internet access.

If you stop and think about it, right about at that time competitor purses basically plateaued, as there were dwindling fan counts at a lot of tracks, and tracks couldn't afford to pay more than they did. Track overhead also increased a lot as insurance costs and track worker costs continued to grow at most tracks.

All that being said, now let's get back to the OP's comment about Jackson's 2021 schedule:

Honestly to me their schedule is simply smart business. There's only so many cars to go around, and fans are only willing to travel if they are literally guaranteed a big car count - and especially to a division now labeled as '360's'.

When you tell a race fan that something is 'lesser than' what they have been told that they need to care about (in this case, the division labeled '410', the fan already knows to expect less, so they want more to compensate for it.

Example. USAC Silver Crown.

Never ever ever do you hear them say "Hey, now it's time for these overweight, oversized, underpowered slugs to come out and run 50 or 100 laps." That's why they're simply called and advertised as Silver Crown cars.

If you go to one of their events not knowing what's under the hood comparatively, you're probably going to leave the event saying it was a good race and you're already looking forward to the next time you can see them.

As a promoter it's your job to train the fans as to what they want to see, just like the Silver Crown and Championship Sprint examples.

And the second you start telling fans that one division is better, based on the assumption of size alone, you've already told the fans that the other division(s) are when you go to the bathroom or get food.

That's really unfortunate, but it's what's happened.

When you take huge tracks that require a ton of overhead to operate on race night, it takes a huge amount of fans to make it pan out financially.

There's just not enough sprint teams to split between area tracks, thus, the reduced schedule. It's more about quality of events, not quantity.

If it were financially prudent to race every Saturday night, trust me, they would be - just like back in the days before a 3-digit number determined whether a fan chose to go to the races or not. 

Whatever track or division you choose to go to this weekend, enjoy it - and be glad we still get to do it at all. 

I am not seeing what 2020's shut down has to do with the 2021 schedule.  Every other track in Minnesota is operating at full capacity with fans and a full schedule of weekly shows and specials.  Ogilvie, NCS, Princeton, Proctor and the tracks up north all ran full schedules.  Likewise Elko the local paved track and Deer Creek.  
 

Nothing is shut down or restricted and the governors emergency authority was allowed to expire.  

Yeah, Walz finally quit holding MN hostage on Aug 1 of THIS YEAR.

Either way I've thought Jackson's destiny was to be a special only track for many years.  Its not like there is a large population of people close by.

Before directly commenting on this question, I think a preface is needed.

Growing up going to the supermodified races at Jackson & Huset's, then transitioning to the sprint cars to sprint cars in about 1975...then with the advent of Hartford and having three sprint car tracks in the area...there was plenty of great racing to be had for fans.

Then the sprints went primarily to wings in the region in May of 1982 (after Gary Scott's crash) and that's when things changed even more when Knoxville, tracks in PA and in other locationsdecided to further delineate the division into 410 and 360's (which were previously called Limiteds there). 

But, the tracks around Jackson didn't change names. The 360's were simply called Championship Sprints - and few people in the stands even knew, or cared, that there was any difference.

They shown up in droves every Saturday night to watch Championship Sprints.

As a matter of fact, I bet I saw Doug Johnson there at every single one of them back in the day, so he's seen the whole evolution of the track, the sport and the division(s) as well. 

Then, the division continued nationally for nearly 20 years with further emphasis on engine size - which to me has always been a big mistake. But not Jackson.

Even Huset's was smart to leave their 'Championship Sprint' division name intact when they added 'Outlaw Sprints' to their program.

That brings us to 9/11.

After that season, things started to change in a hurry in this sport - and not for the good.

Transportation costs for race teams and fans literally tripled for the next several years, yet no one in the industry changed to accomodate this new reality.

Fans went from saying 'well, now it costs more to get there than it does to buy event tickets' so is it really worth traveling that far to?

Then came video - and it created a new challenge for the tracks as in many cases you could skip going to the track altogether and watch a clip of it the next day or two, because more and more households had internet access.

If you stop and think about it, right about at that time competitor purses basically plateaued, as there were dwindling fan counts at a lot of tracks, and tracks couldn't afford to pay more than they did. Track overhead also increased a lot as insurance costs and track worker costs continued to grow at most tracks.

All that being said, now let's get back to the OP's comment about Jackson's 2021 schedule:

Honestly to me their schedule is simply smart business. There's only so many cars to go around, and fans are only willing to travel if they are literally guaranteed a big car count - and especially to a division now labeled as '360's'.

When you tell a race fan that something is 'lesser than' what they have been told that they need to care about (in this case, the division labeled '410', the fan already knows to expect less, so they want more to compensate for it.

Example. USAC Silver Crown.

Never ever ever do you hear them say "Hey, now it's time for these overweight, oversized, underpowered slugs to come out and run 50 or 100 laps." That's why they're simply called and advertised as Silver Crown cars.

If you go to one of their events not knowing what's under the hood comparatively, you're probably going to leave the event saying it was a good race and you're already looking forward to the next time you can see them.

As a promoter it's your job to train the fans as to what they want to see, just like the Silver Crown and Championship Sprint examples.

And the second you start telling fans that one division is better, based on the assumption of size alone, you've already told the fans that the other division(s) are when you go to the bathroom or get food.

That's really unfortunate, but it's what's happened.

When you take huge tracks that require a ton of overhead to operate on race night, it takes a huge amount of fans to make it pan out financially.

There's just not enough sprint teams to split between area tracks, thus, the reduced schedule. It's more about quality of events, not quantity.

If it were financially prudent to race every Saturday night, trust me, they would be - just like back in the days before a 3-digit number determined whether a fan chose to go to the races or not. 

Whatever track or division you choose to go to this weekend, enjoy it - and be glad we still get to do it at all. 

Before directly commenting on this question, I think a preface is needed.

Growing up going to the supermodified races at Jackson & Huset's, then transitioning to the sprint cars to sprint cars in about 1975...then with the advent of Hartford and having three sprint car tracks in the area...there was plenty of great racing to be had for fans.

Then the sprints went primarily to wings in the region in May of 1982 (after Gary Scott's crash) and that's when things changed even more when Knoxville, tracks in PA and in other locationsdecided to further delineate the division into 410 and 360's (which were previously called Limiteds there). 

But, the tracks around Jackson didn't change names. The 360's were simply called Championship Sprints - and few people in the stands even knew, or cared, that there was any difference.

They shown up in droves every Saturday night to watch Championship Sprints.

As a matter of fact, I bet I saw Doug Johnson there at every single one of them back in the day, so he's seen the whole evolution of the track, the sport and the division(s) as well. 

Then, the division continued nationally for nearly 20 years with further emphasis on engine size - which to me has always been a big mistake. But not Jackson.

Even Huset's was smart to leave their 'Championship Sprint' division name intact when they added 'Outlaw Sprints' to their program.

That brings us to 9/11.

After that season, things started to change in a hurry in this sport - and not for the good.

Transportation costs for race teams and fans literally tripled for the next several years, yet no one in the industry changed to accomodate this new reality.

Fans went from saying 'well, now it costs more to get there than it does to buy event tickets' so is it really worth traveling that far to?

Then came video - and it created a new challenge for the tracks as in many cases you could skip going to the track altogether and watch a clip of it the next day or two, because more and more households had internet access.

If you stop and think about it, right about at that time competitor purses basically plateaued, as there were dwindling fan counts at a lot of tracks, and tracks couldn't afford to pay more than they did. Track overhead also increased a lot as insurance costs and track worker costs continued to grow at most tracks.

All that being said, now let's get back to the OP's comment about Jackson's 2021 schedule:

Honestly to me their schedule is simply smart business. There's only so many cars to go around, and fans are only willing to travel if they are literally guaranteed a big car count - and especially to a division now labeled as '360's'.

When you tell a race fan that something is 'lesser than' what they have been told that they need to care about (in this case, the division labeled '410', the fan already knows to expect less, so they want more to compensate for it.

Example. USAC Silver Crown.

Never ever ever do you hear them say "Hey, now it's time for these overweight, oversized, underpowered slugs to come out and run 50 or 100 laps." That's why they're simply called and advertised as Silver Crown cars.

If you go to one of their events not knowing what's under the hood comparatively, you're probably going to leave the event saying it was a good race and you're already looking forward to the next time you can see them.

As a promoter it's your job to train the fans as to what they want to see, just like the Silver Crown and Championship Sprint examples.

And the second you start telling fans that one division is better, based on the assumption of size alone, you've already told the fans that the other division(s) are when you go to the bathroom or get food.

That's really unfortunate, but it's what's happened.

When you take huge tracks that require a ton of overhead to operate on race night, it takes a huge amount of fans to make it pan out financially.

There's just not enough sprint teams to split between area tracks, thus, the reduced schedule. It's more about quality of events, not quantity.

If it were financially prudent to race every Saturday night, trust me, they would be - just like back in the days before a 3-digit number determined whether a fan chose to go to the races or not. 

Whatever track or division you choose to go to this weekend, enjoy it - and be glad we still get to do it at all.