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Dumbest and most overplayed "fight" of all time.  I like Wayne, but he will struggle to make the feature the rest of the season and Aaron will be driving one of the premier cars in the country.  I understand why Wayne decided to do what he did, but I don't get why anyone thinks this changes anything and why this makes Wayne everyone's hero.  Because there was a camera there?  I'm lost.  It's 2021.  He could be facing assault charges if Aaron wanted to be a prick.  Kinda like when I hear "if Dale Sr. was here they wouldn't be doing that' or "if Kinser was here they wouldn't be doing that"..................why?  What does the ability to kick someone's ass have to do with racing?   Moronic.

Meh. I see both sides to this argument. I enjoy watching Reutzel running balls to the wall, but he does get a little over his head from time to time. Its entertaining, but that style of racing lends itself to bent parts and chapped asses.

I also think that if you get run over, you have the right to defend your car and team. So based on that, I think Reutzel is owed a few "receipts" for previous actions. I think that some are happy to watch Johnson hold him accountable, just like some cheered when Dietrich got him at Grandview. Its just nature's way of seeking equilibrium. It'll all work itself out.

By the way, I agree, the whole "He'd never do that if Dale Sr. were still alive," is trite and tiresome. 

I don't disagree.  I'm just laughing at how many are acting like "that takes care of that!".  Huh?  Aaron is going to blow by him the rest of the year----normally lapping him----so what did this actually do?   It means nothing.  And, I don't mind someone standing up for themselves, but if you're pissed at how someone races you, you should settle it in the race car on the track.  Being a better fighter and a bigger dude, is just that.......and has no bearing on racing.  

I think that you lost the main point, Johnson is not going to take $hit from Aaron even if he isn't running up front.  If Aaron can get into your car and chew you out for no reason, why should Wayne just sit there and take it. And if Aaron went and pressed charges after starting it, he would lose respect from most of his peers. Aaron should of just kept his mouth shut because he had no reason at all from that  incident to open it and if you do open it you should be prepared to back it up.

Overall it's much ado about nothing, and you are correct that it has no bearing on the racing.   This will blow over and be forgotten about pretty quickly, and maybe as soon as the next two drivers get into it.    

1. I can guarantee you that Erin will not approach Johnson while they are still on the racetrack like that again. Johnson made his point. 

2. The whole world got to see what a ninny Erin really is.

3. Lawsuit based on what? We, including you, have no idea what started what we see on video. They are already trading when the video starts. 

Al kinds of opinions but assault charges, come on. First you should get the facts but what fun would that be.

I called Wayne late this afternoon. Had to get his number from a person I know in the racing industry. I don't know him personally, haven't talked to him since probably 2003.

I had some proposals I wanted to discuss with him. Didn't know what to expect. I was pleasantly surprised with how he was what I call "a good ole boy from Oklahoma". We talked business, we talked a little about life, and a very small amount about the last incidents. I won't go into details because what we discussed was between us.

Let's just say when you see an event on video that starts half way through an incident you don't see what caused it. In today's world everyone is pretty quick to judge without facts. It's much easier to make judgements and make your voice known even when you don't know anything about the cause...only the affect. Seems facts don't really matter anymore. Granted, I only got one side but Wayne was comical, professional, business minded, fun to talk with and didn't hold anything back. Far from what a few posts on here accused him of being.

Maybe  before some of you open your mouth you should take a moment and try to get the facts instead of just speculating. Sometimes just because you can open your mouth doesn't mean you should.

Don't know if Wayne with the 2C Racing group and I will be doing any business ventures together but if things can be agreed upon I know it'd be a very positive experience.

www.harleytrikes.com

I was surprised that they actually showed a replay of the disagreement.  This wasn't the Daytona 500 on CBS and Cale Yarborough  tussle. Made me laugh tho. 

The way some people see it Wayne did something that should of been done long time ago ! MAYBE  A-ron think twice about taking someone out !

It won't change anything

Drivers can settle scores any way they see fit but that doesn't guarantee that there won't be consequences.  I am not a fan club member or hater of either driver.  True, all I saw was part of the incident and the subsequent interview but my opinion isn't based on whatever was said between them.  All I'm saying is that if I was a sponsor and the driver I was backing called someone a prick on national TV it might not be the way I want my company represented.  If for example these were street stocks at the local track and I owned a bar I might laugh it off.  On the other hand, if I was the marketing manager of NAPA or Drydene I might not appreciate that type of exposure for the company.  I don't care about a petty punching match that lasted 30 seconds or who said what, just the image that it projects.  That is my only point, that this sport requires large sums of money and these kinds of actions while they do happen could have consequences.  That is why NASCAR drivers are so straight laced in their interviews, follow the money.

Stan Meissner

How about not sticking a mic in a guy's face two minutes after getting out of a torn up racecar. Then ask him directly about the conversation.  They got what they wanted. Let him get back to the pits and the adrenaline won't be rushing anymore.

They do it on purpose to get a sound bite. At least it wasn't a twitter battle that makes them look like school girls at recess. I'm sure they could have blocked that word or at least not replayed it over and over.

Schatz showed them last year how he's going to deal with that. Pretty much told them to get the hell out of the way. Did you see the look on his face when they interviewed him after the heat race last night. Sure looked like he'd rather have told them something intirely different.

That's also why Nascar rating are way down.....no driver personalities anymore. 

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Nascrap is way down because they let the Richie rich owners dominate the sport. Take that stupid ass front splitters off the cars and give them a 4" rear spoiler. Then and only then would you see real drivers.

Johnson obviously doesn't make a living racing, Reutzel does. Johnson wrecks himself more times than he should and usually collects other cars, it's been noted on the tour. I mean all drivers step on their dick occasionally, but Johnson does it often. And before you say he shouldn't have run his mouth, that's bullshit. We've all ran our mouths in the heat of the moment, to someone somewhere along the way, yours truly included. When shit hit the fan, it wasn't always in my favor, but I did the best I could. If there was a video, it would have looked bad, just like most of us. I'm not a trained fighter, I just went at it the best I could, just like Johnson and Reutzel did.

He's Erin because he can't defend himself against a guy that easily has 100 lbs. on him? The guy is a Sprint Car Driver not an MMA fighter! Just because he ran his mouth to a guy that has no business running with the WoO. Are you such a badass that you could trade blows with a guy that has 100 lbs. on you? So confidently that you stand your ground and not back up? If you can, you’re in the upper percentile and more than likely have some sort of training to do so. I admit, I couldn't. It's obvious you don't like Reutzel for some reason and that shows within your comment. The reason doesn’t matter, it’s just your opinion. It's not like he had to run after Reutzel all around the pits, that would be the ninny you say he is.

What you didn't see in the video was Wayne knocking Reutzel off his bike with his scooter, then attacking him. So, there are grounds for assault charges. He was in defense mode, there might be more to it than we know. He did sign a contract with Roth and I’m not 100% sure, but Toyota as well. How do we know there wasn’t a no fighting clause? The haters hate him, they smelled blood in the water and now we have the hate filled feeding frenzy that we have, not just as a driver, but as a person.

I’m not over thinking by saying, this could be a career ending situation for Reutzel. Now we see how mentally strong he is. From the last two nights of racing, you can see he didn’t perform like we’re used to seeing him.

I did TV interviews for a racing show that appeared on Minneapolis/St. Paul channel 45 during the 2003 season.  The show aired on Saturday mornings and my publisher convinced me that I should do the interviews for a three minute dirt track segment.  Having that experience from the other side of the mic I have a pretty good feel for what that's like.  Yeah, I stuck a mic in Steve Kinsers face at the end of an Outlaw Feature and he was in a hurry to get out of there and catch a flight to get to an IROC race.  So yeah, I get what you're saying but I also have had people telling me in my other ear to get some good content for the show.  That is my experience with this sort of thing.  It wasn't easy getting interviews with angry drivers, I know that from first hand experience.  Nevertheless, as someone who has done interviews and been around the money side of the sport I understand that side of things too.

Stan Meissner

Crazy cream puff people.  You saw just about 3 seconds on dirtvision fight.  Never saw the start or end of fight.  I once saw Rusty Wallace throw a drinking cup in Dale Sr. face.  You would probably think that was assault and battery.

You have done a good job at presenting another perspective. The scooter bike incident I heard about was completely different but I wasn't there.

Bottom line is if Reutzel would have stayed by his car none of this would have happened. He had his chest all puffed up like a big dog. Went over to another competitor that just crashed pretty hard and got in his face. He was the aggressor. He just met up with someone that wasn't going to tolerate it.

But he didn't learn yet. After Bernie saved him from being really embarrassed, as he's walking away he's still calling Wayne a mother f er over and over.

Maybe after he's had some time to reflect he will grow up a little and understand that certain actions cause reactions.

Reutzel's drive at East Bay was impressive. He does drive the hell out of a racecar. This could be a positive in his career if he learns from it. Can't dispute he's a talented driver. Can question a lot of his actions though.

www.harleytrikes.com

100 pounds, you are nuts.  Wayne might weigh 200 lbs so  Mr. R weighs 100 lbs.  Wayne crashes all the time, you are nuts and wrong.

Who said anything about a lawsuit?  I just said press charges.  Not that I think he should, just saying he could.  He now has video evidence if he wanted to be a dick.

Back to my original point, I don't know what this settles.  I don't know why this makes Aaron a "ninny."  Who knows what started it but it sounds like Aaron approached Wayne?  So, if Aaron approaches Wayne, and expresses displeasure, why does it have to result in a physical altercation? ----especially 24 hours after the fact.  And, I know it does happen.  But why is everyone acting like "that takes care of that!----he won't do that again!"   No, he'll do that again.  

Good for Wayne if he sells some shirts.  If you're buying a shirt because he kicked the ass of a much smaller man, I guess good job?  I have better things to spend my money on. 

Some people retreat cause they know they'll get whooped. Other retreat cause they know nothing good will come from it even after they lipped off too long and started sonething.

Sometimes the mouth is a mans limit while the recipient is more comfortable with going further.

Nobody got hurt. I know a similar situation took place in my life and aftet the dust up we become friends. Not great friends, but respectful of each other cause we learnt where we sat on the totem pole.

Even though I may not know you, I 
care what most of you think!