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They need to change something next year. Would be interested to find out out how many guys make it to the dash that don't start on the front row. Seems like the fast guy gets burned more than not. Let fast time also draw for his starting spot as well assuming he transfer's rather than starting last in dash.

that's one of the much needed change, also the whole lapped traffic approach needs a dramatic change: let lapped cars stay in lap after a yellow or red, and mostly, if you haven't lapped a car then why in the heck should you go ahead of the entire lapped field if you cause a yellow or a red!

it seems that the PA people would be happy with first and second fast times starting at the back of the dash as they seem to want inverted starts. lol. but i believe that those two cars should draw for position as well. just do not know if they should draw before the heat race cars or after the heat race cars. i like the intentions of the way cars make the dash, as in theory it lets more teams have a shot at being in the dash and having a better starting spot in the main. most people complain about the woo shows being too front loaded. are you saying you disagree?

I'm saying that the guy who's qualifies 16th or 12th shouldn't have a better shot at the dash than the guy who qualifies 3rd. Some form of points for qualifying as well with the heats. Total it up then go with the top ten in points for dash.

Make all the fans happy and run all race's with the same format as The Trophy Cup!

you could make the fans happy by lowering the beer prices. then they would care less about the dash format.

I thought the format was much better this year than before. It made the heats much more competitive and made for lots of different cars in the dash. It doesn't seem to matter, the cream always rises to the top now it just takes a few more laps.

the guy who qualifies 3rd now starts right behind the guy who qualified 11th who starts right next to the guy who qualified 15th. the guy who is 3rd is also starting right next to the guy who timed in 7th. the guy who qualified 3rd has just as good a shot at making the dash if not more. go back over the records and see if most of the dash transfers come from the first row. you will find i'm sure that 50% at most is about right. as for your comment about the trophy cup, the high points guys are inverted into the field so you would be penalizing the fast guys. plus how would you work a points system based off of qualifing and heats that would be fair to everyone? would those points just count for that purpose only or go towards the season points as well? would a heat win pay the same points as fast time? would second in a heat be the same as second fast time? would qualifing pay so many points that no matter how you did in the heats the 10 fastest cars would always make the dash?. if that is true then why go off of points?

I think they should go back to last year's format. The track usually isn't ready for the real racing during the heats as the cushion isn't pushed up enough. Top ten starters should not be determined by heat finish. Time trials should be given more importance. I really don't think the new format made the heats more exciting. Maybe at a few races, but not normally. The fastest in time trials should start up front in the feature. That's all there is to it.

and you think the track surface in qualifing would be fair to all teams? lets say your team goes out first to qualify and the track is slick and it gets faster later on. or what if it is fast early and goes to crap later? would you want your time to lock you into the dash? the fast timer does not always race fast. just as some one who times slow is not incapable of racing good. at least with this format the teams get a chance to race their way into the dash on the same track surface as others in the same heat. granted the surface could be racier in one heat than the other but you can't control everything. not trying to knock your opinion, just wondering why you would want to front load on such an uneven basis. most people are arguing for rules that they think will make the racing more fair and /or exciting. like less wing, smaller rr tires, motor rules ect. seems to me starting the fast cars in qualifing up front does not make for a fair or exciting show. again that is jmo.

Your right the Trophy Cup does invert. You're not penalized thats the format. Driver with the most points takes home the most money. I dont have to explain it to you. Your car's been in the field. They do something right there isn't a 360 race that attracts the kind of talent that will be there next month.

just wondering why you went from wanting the fast cars up front to the t-cup format that inverts. or did i get things crossed up? will you be at tulare this weekend or for the t-cup?

I WOULD SUGGEST ON USING THE SAME FORMAT AS WORLD OF OUTLAW LATE MODELS DO. THIS FORMAT MAKES FOR GREAT RACING. I THINK THIS WOULD THIS FORMAT WOULD BE EXCITING FOR SPRINT CAR RACING

I just through the Trophy Cup reference out for the hell of it. If i can get off work I'll make the long trip down to Tulare for both.

The shows I've seen this year have been better than I can ever remember. Though the format could use a tweak here or there, I wouldn't change much.

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sorry to say i do not know what that is. i guess we all have our own idea of what we like to see. my opinion comes from wanting the team to have that extra shot at making the dash and salvaging the night the best it can if it qualifies so-so. even now you have to be in the top 16 to have the best shot at making the dash, but at times you can miss the invert and your night is still not a diaster if you can manage to get in the dash. that top 10 is very important.