It is amazing how they keep growing even in places like Ohio where 410s are relatively cheap.

http://www.sprintsource.com/associations/

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Pretty simple. Emmitt Hahn claims 1500. You clowns say there are half as many. Peanut gallery is full of shit as usual. Comes from running their mouths for no real reason other than to hear themselves talk.

Sprint cars are primed for a resurgence across the country. Been in the news a lot with Kasey Kahne, Kyle Larson, Tony Stewart, etc. Winged gokarts/outlaw karts been taking off for years. Sprint car video games bringing new fans. Only thing missing is getting limited sprints to move up to unlimited ranks and it going back to garages and small businesses being able to afford them again. Win, win, win. Only thing standing in the way is losers like you.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Actually the NRA 360s just went from being weekly at Limaland to being there I believe every 2-3 weeks. Waynesfield, Attica, and Fremont have them for a few races as well. 360s aren't very popular in Ohio. Only in Lima/Waynesfield area and I believe they have 20ish regular cars. The 410 and 305 divisions are healthy as they've ever been though I'd say.

As for the original intent of this entire thread. My theory with having smaller car counts in PA would be just simply the number of tracks that are available to run weekly. I'm not 100% certain but there are what 3-5 tracks that run 410s weekly in Central PA? Lincoln, Grove, Port, I'm not sure on susky or selinsgrove what they run weekly. Those tracks are all pretty close together too. In Ohio, you have essentially 4 options for weekly/semi-weekly 410s. Attica, Fremont, Wayne County, and Atomic in the south. Those tracks are also a bit more spread out. I think it's more of a too many options not enough cars kinda thing in PA if there is an issue. Skyline used to be weekly with the OVSCA but new ownership booted the sprints out of Athens it seems. Not a single show there this year.

    Whatever. You still can't come up with anything to back up your assertion. It's OK. Nobody believed you anyway, so not being able to prove it doesn't really account for much.

    Are you advocating using parts produced overseas to lower the cost of racing?

Why would 305s & 360s want to compete with 410s?

save 410 racing by:

• making all 305s more expensive...not less...
• requiring a winning 360 to cost more than a competitve 410...to beat the rules by cheating every damn way possible
• why is the the formula? because a lot of stupid motherfuckers are already paying these costs to race for peanuts

if anyone really cared about lowering the cost and proliferation of "high cost limited sprint car classes" they would have adopted this years ago - http://alternative410motor.com/ 

BUT NOBODY GAVE A SHIT THEN and WILL NOT GIVE A SHIT NOW BECAUSE THE BIG SPENDERS OWN THE SPORT AND DO NOT WANT HGH CAR COUNTS!

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Bigbrad was saying how many 305s there were at the Eagle. And I was replying that it is amazing how many there of them in Ohio now.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

I agree with some of what you are saying BRR but SOD unlimited engine displacement & tire rule plus Doty wing angle rule

would be better for the fans and put driving and setup skill at even more a premium than it is now.

Plus every one saves face and it doesn't cost anything.

Everyone can run the motors that they already own, same wings, SOD even says same wheels.

Doesn't cost anything but would save tens of thousands.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

But cubic, how many fans want to watch these ( unlimited ) sprints all running slower than current 305's are? I have never heard anyone but you say they want to see 305's, 360's and 410 all run together at the speed of a 305.

And why do you call them unlimited when you want to severely limit their speed with a narrow tire?

Just like Altman, cubic only bitches that his favorite ideas for racing are not adopted.  Never posts about a great race he saw over the weekend. Just his ideas to make racing better.

Doubt he ever actually attends any races. 

The only answer he has ever given to the question of where all his knowledge & expertise comes from is his common sense. 

Never tell the difference.

Brian Smith Heat Race In-Car Butler Motor Speedway SOD Sprints On Dirt 5/21/16:  https://youtu.be/gxc-NyELXTU

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Is not my idea. You know it would work. You know it would be cheaper. You know the racing would be better.

Will never happen but still doesn't mean it wouldn't work and all you clowns are wrong.

Engine Pro Sprints On Dirt presented by ARP new Hoosier spec tires impress!

Erie, MI (May 31, 2016) – Last September, when SOD announced its new Hoosier spec tires, there were numerous dire predictions of disaster and mayhem.  Now that a week has gone by since the opening races, one on the biggest, fastest track and the other on a high banked 3/8 mile, how did the predictions fare?  Well, not very well, actually terrible!  Not one of the negative predictions came close to becoming reality.

The fast-car dash on the big, fast Hartford Speedway was an exciting duel between Brian Smith’s 410 and Ryan Ruhl’s 360.  They raced side by side racing, Ruhl passed Smith for the lead, but a bobble out of turn 2 gave Smith a final shot at regaining the lead and he took advantage of it and drove off to the win.  The feature quickly put to rest the prediction that a 360 wouldn’t beat a 410 regardless of the tires.  Once again, contrary to popular opinion, Ruhl’s 360 not only won, but dominated the caution-free race.  Then, at Butler, 410s finish first and second, but a 360 finished third, passing more cars that anyone else in the feature.  It does appear as if SOD has delivered engine parity as promised.

Both nights had exciting racing and did not deliver on the prediction that racing on the new tires would be full of crashes.  Drivers quickly adapted to the new tires and became comfortable with them.  Originally leery of the new tires, numerous drivers gave rave reviews after using them.

Consistent with what Hoosier Racing Tire and SOD had told racers all along, the top finisher both nights opted to use standard right rear (17") and left rear (15") wheel widths even though some had narrower wheels ready to use.  Tire temperatures, as monitored by Hoosier Racing Tire, were well within the optimal range for top performance.  As with any racing tire, tire management is the key to success and air pressure requirements, whether or not to sipe the tires, etc. are all important factors in getting the most out of the new tires.

So why was the racing so good on the new SOD tires?  Maybe the drivers who had the courage to give them a try are more skillful than people give them credit for.  Or maybe the Hoosier Racing Tire engineers were more than capable of transforming SOD’s requirements into a top performing reality.  Both probably contributed to the successful debut of the tires.  Competitors are comfortable with the new SOD tires and are saving 10% per set compared to last year’s tires and tires being run elsewhere.

Yes, there was plenty of talk about the Engine Pro Sprints On Dirt presented by ARP Hartford and Butler races, but none of it had to do with the tires.  Fans will long remember the great racing they saw the first time SOD went beyond limits.  The spec tires are destined to have a significant impact on the sport of sprint car racing for years to come.

 
 
 
They don't even know how to spell sprint car 
much less chromoly...http://www.ycmco.com

Wow. And to think this allows them to consistantly get an average of 20 cars a night- just like before the awesome rule change- is truely astounding to some. Someone needs to make this a national rule. Maybe an executive order by the president or something.


Presenting:
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See the best cars, the best drivers, the best mechanics all racing together in a class that mandates equality among the cars. Heck- you can even watch favorites like Donny Schatz racing while draging an anchor!


*Google Harrison Bergeron. He really wasn't much of a sprint car fan, but neither is cubicdonuts.

Sorry bud, but I can easily tell the difference in speed between a 410 and a 305. At all tracks & sanctions that time trial the difference would really be obvious. 

You think fans at Knoxville used to seeing low 15 second laps would be satisfied with Schatz & the rest turning mid to high 18 second laps in time trials?

Right now 360 shows don't draw as big of crowds as the 410's, but you think slowing both down to the speed of a race saver 305 will draw big crowds?

If SOD only gets about 25 cars a night running all classes together that tells you there are not enough of any 1 class to put on a show. That's why they did the tire thing.

The ESS brought zero cars to Selinsgrove last Saturday...ZERO for an ESS sanctioned show. The only car from NY was Steve Collins who mostly runs with the PST. I remember ESS shows at Selinsgrove back in the late 80's early 90's in which they brought 35-40 cars with no locals in the field(SG was still running 410's then). URC counts are way down too from a decade ago. 360's obviously aren't the answer.

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^^^^THIS!

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Wtf is going on here? 

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I see used 305 motors selling in the low to mid 20K range, and I will say this, I do not pay any attention to the ad. I see used 410's and 360's selling for roughly the same ammount. THERE IS NO COST DIFFERENCE.  A 305 pays sh*t to win and don't tell me about a race in bum hell nowhere that pays x ammount of money. Must teams come away from those races in the hole. Where is the difference. What does a new complete 305 cost ? Someone out there can answer that. If you pull that 305 and drop a 360 or a 410 between the rails IS THERE A DIFFERENCE ? Does that steering cost less ? How about the rear or the wheels and wings and on and on and on. Here comes the best part. WHAT DOES A 305 FEATURE PAY ?  You can include the 360's in this format also. NEITHER pay sh*t. The purse structure of the 2 classes is a joke for what you have invested. I will say, and I hate to say it, you can level the 410 playing field with one simple change. 1 RR TIRE. It will never happen because Hoosier pays to much into point funds. 

And as far as Dietrich and susky goes. He isn't going to sit home on Sunday. If I was susky management and after his mouth ran off I would be sending him propane for his grill and telling him not to burn the dogs. The other racers won't miss him, and it mite bring a few more cars out. 

If you mean you can only use 1 rt rear tire all night Knoxville has been doing that for years. TT, heat & A main all on the same rt rear.