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They went from $200 to start the show to $700 increase of some money there. Then for 5th they went from $500 to $1250....How much more would you like to see it increased? As the winner only double while last was an 350% increase? 

Also in any sport you have those 4-5 teams that just kick ass....NFL....NHL...NBA..,, its always the same 4-5 teams at the end of the playoff runs...

You Look at NASCAR you wil always have the same 4-5 teams win week in and week out.

Cali has the same 4-5 teams that win everything, the Outlaws have the same 4 teams that win 95% of the races, PA does, ASCS Does...

Here's some education for you in economics. $2500.00 to win vs $200.00 to start is a $2300.00 spread, right? $5000.00 to win vs $700.00 to start is a $4300.00 spread right.Screw the percentage of increase! Percentages don't mean shit in al economic matters. And you are correct about the number of powerhouses in sports. As for racing.....filelds have dwindled in recent years. Husets was an example, although the top teams stayed active. Even in NASCAR not all that long ago finding 43 cars was becoming difficult. So yeh, 4-5 winners everywhere you go is the norm.  Just because that's the way it is, doesn't make it right, or everlasting.

The start money is what funds all the smaller teams.  If you're out there because you love it, but you know damn well you aren't going to win unless the seas part, you look at what it pays to start and what it pays through the field.  By your estimation, the winners share doubles, but the start money goes up 3 1/2 times.  That's not good for EVERYONE in the field?  You're some kind of special if you believe otherwise.

You have $26,000 to do a weekly sprint purse, Lets see what your pay about would be!! 

Badlands does pretty good! Plus $16,000 to win points and a ton of other things thought out the season!

1. $5000 2. $2500 3. $2000 4. $1500 5. $1250 6. $1000 7. $950 8. $900 9. $850 10. $825 11. $800 12. $800 13. $800 14. $800 15. $800 16. $700 17. $700 18. $700 19. $700 20. $700 21. $700 22. $700

Also how many other weekly tracks in the US have all their payouts posted for all to see! 

I'm guessing it would look like this, 

1.$10,000 2. $10,000 3. $10,000 4. $10,000 5-28 $10,500

It's ok that we are over bugdet because Chuck Brennan is mean and greedy. 

the cars finishing outside of the top 4 get more because sprint car racing needs to be economical for the low budget racers. 

I wonder if the North Dakota guys are happy about Badlands racing Sat nights?

You could argue that the fans are losing because they don't get to see their favorite drivers, but the teams certainly aren't losing out by having better options. 

Your being a smart ass doesn't bother me a bit. You're only impressing other smart asses that may be amused. 

My response to...... SpeedwayMotors4x.......Purses will always be top heavy, and I understand that. But I think Tony Stewart has gotten a grip on what it takes to bring together the largest field he can for the Kings Royal. Car counts have fallen in that prestigious race, also. So what's he doing? He's raising the total purse by a pretty substantial margin, but the top prize remains the same. He'll still attract all the top cars that have a chance at the big money, and is banking on the raised purse to attract even more of those teams that don't have a chance at the big prize. Smart thinking in my opinion. 

My $26,000.00 weekly purse breaks down like this. Am I right or wrong....don't know. JMO   I personally think promoters are like farmers. Some make it huge, and others don't make it at all. Those that make it I would think could pay more than $26,000.00. After all, at $18.00 or $20.00 for an adult ticket, it only takes the first 1300-1450 adults through the gate to make the purse.

1. $3000.00, 2.$2200.00, 3.$1900.00, 4.$1500.00 5.$1400.00, 6.$1400.00, 7.$1200.00, 8.$1200.00, 9.$1100.00,             

10.$1100.00, 11.$1000.00, 12.$1000.00, 13.$1000.00, 14.$1000.00, 15.$800.00, 16.$800.00, 17.$800.00, 18.$800.00

19.$700.00, 20.$700.00, 21.$700.00, 22.$700.00

That's the equal number of positions you stated. I saw an opinion (not from you) on another post about not having a spread between every position. That there's no incentive to race to the next position was the thought. Well, even if that does cover 4 or more positions, there is still points and points fund being raced for, plus contingencies. So there are other incentives as you pointed out, also.

I have to apologize,  I was going to post a an insult about your ongoing moronic post that you keep putting out there,  but then I thought you might be special and that would be very rude, however even a special person can't be this stupid. Sorry dude!

It's always been that way though. How many guys have a legitimate shot to win a WoO championship? Shatz, Pittman Sweet and? In s normal year who's can win the Knoxville track championship, Tmac, Lasoski, brown and? Who can win the badlands championship, Tmac, dobs, zomer, tk and? Who could win the WoO in the 80s, Steve, Sammy, Wolfie. Or ? The bottom cars have never been big winners. Robert Bell never won but he was fun to cheer for. Longhair john Lambert only won a handful of times but he was fun to cheer for. None of these guys ever got paid shit to finish 12th or worse but they still had fans in the crowd. Good drivers get good rides, that's why we only have 4-5 good drivers at any given time. All the money in the world won't make a below average driver good. I think real fans at least appreciate a guy like Chuck Mcgilvery in the purple 101, I don't recall him ever winning at Husets but I sure respect that he goes out and does his best for the people in the seats and fills the field. 

Time for fun facts - 

Chuck McGillivray had 2 Outlaw Sprint wins in the 2011 season.

Overall, Chuck’s career at Huset’s/Badlands has 1 Wingless Sprint win, 5 Late Model Sportsmen wins (1976-77 seasons), 7 360 sprint wins and 2 Outlaw Sprint wins. 

Now, back to your regularly scheduled "if I ran the world" discussions. 

My thoughts aren't to make the less funded, less talented and in it for the fun guys competitive. I know that can't happen. My thoughts are to help keep them active and racing on a weekly basis, rather than slowly losing those guys. That's not my job or yours, it's the promoters job. History is this.....the 410 ranks shrunk to the point that Jackson quit running 410's all together, and Huset's at one time was down to 3 and sometimes 2 heat races. All the money in the world at the top of the heap isn't going to prevent that from possibly happening again. We all know the three needs of good weekly  racing.....Money brings car count, car count brings fans and fans bring the money.

Blazer exactly my point, by splitting up the Saturday night fast cars, the lower funded teams are gonna have better finishes and make more money which IS gonna help car counts and the sport grow in the long run. Making more money on Saturday nights is helping the less funded, less talented, in it for fun guys, its gonna help them a LOT.

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Almost certainly they are.  Most notably Dobmeier.  The 13 team has to be thrilled with the switch to Saturdays. Last year they stopped running Knoxville regularly to enable them to spend more time with family.  He didn't even run Husets full time on Sundays last year for the same reason.  With the switch to Saturdays, he no longer gets back home at 6am on Monday only to head straight to work by 7am.  Now they get Sunday off as long as they don't get rained out on Saturday.  Dobmeier was the only team from the ND crowd willing to run Husets regularly for the past 10 years, I think most of the other NOSA guys didn't run there simply because it was a Sunday show.  Now with the increased purse and tow incentives I think you will see some of the NOSA guys running Badlands regularly on Saturdays. I would expect Nygaard, the Mack's, Kennedy, Pierce, etc to make the trip more often.

Very valid point. That's why my model for purse has less imbalance from 6th-8th and on back. Having 8-10 top guns forced to race for the top 6 spots-8 spots where the largest pecentage of the purse is, would be justified. My opinion is that a $4300 spread from first place to sixteenth place is extreme for a weekly purse. But that is only my opinion. As it is now, 9th pays $850.00 and last pays $700.00. A definate increase from last year for the very bottom. But that has been a long time coming, wouldn't you agree? Anyway, again for those who get pleasure from jumping all over my thoughts and opinions....I am happy about Badlands raising the bar for weekly purses and including the bottom within that increase!

Who can forget that night Chuck won the $7500 to win special race and his victory lane interview was priceless.

What does the purse structure look like for the 410s at Grand Forks? 

I think what he's trying to say is that regardless of how much tracks and series up their purses you're still only going to see the number of cars in the surrounding area.  $10,000 to win shows are great but there is only one winner so it's not going to lure new car owners into the sport.  In addition to that not everyone's circumstances permit them to jump in their car and drive five or six hours and pop for a motel every weekend.  There are tracks all around the upper Midwest that run Sprint Car specials as well as weekly programs.  These deals have the effect of siphoning off some of the cars from those shows.  I learned a long time ago from some of the track owners I got to know while writing that increased purses and advertising do not necessarily translate into larger fields.  That may be true in some parts of the country but like we all learned in school, every action has an equal and opposite reaction.  Pull cars with the big money that the average promoter can't afford to compete with and it's going to hurt somebody.  But I have only been watching this sport since 1960 so what the hell do I know.  LOL

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I've been told by a racer that they look at what 3rd through 5th pays; then decide whether to go or not.

I think that while the shows with big payouts for the top spots may help draw a few extra cars, it's more exciting for the fans. JMHO.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

There's a reason you were able to do what you've done with racing photography and race reports over the years and be successful. That does sum up my thoughts pretty much in a nutshell! It sure would be easier for all involved if we had the numbers of sprint cars PA and OH have competeing.