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Periods and commas do wonders...

So does voice command, however I really don't give a shit about my periods and commas...........

As the owner of Badlands said,,The next time I hear Knoxville I'm going to puke...I think he made his own bed. He has no desire to work with anyone but himself. Todd is doing the best he can with what he has. Hell the Outlaws only have 12 or so with them, they depend on the locals filling the show. And as far as 14 cars,,I'll take quality over quanity any day. I don't need to watch a 30 car field that over half wouldn't make the D main of the Nationals. 

I fail to see both of your points.  North of the TC you aren't going to find much outside the IRL and Uppermidwest what ever the name of it is.  So Stan you are saying that the NSL and Badlands took cars away from either of those series?  Which ones?  Yes, two tracks 120 miles away from each other or whatever the distance is paying more money than precedented in the past and that is a bad thing for the midwest sprint car scene because you live north of the TC?  It's been some time since I've lived in Rochester, so correct me if I'm wrong.  You have cedar lake, deer creek, princeton in that neck of the woods right?  Has the NSL really taken away from any of those tracks?  Has the Badlands affected those low budget racing teams?  Hell, I grew up in Jackson, a bit bias for that track, but try living in Colorado and bitching about driving a 3 hours to see a race. There is NOTHING here.  I live off PPV except for the 3 times a year I travel 14 hours to see a good sprint car race.   As far as the  "maddness" you describe, two race track owners paying a better purse than your local tracks is, despite what you think, is good for the sport.  And yes, I understand your wife doesn't care for the travel time, cost, as well as you not taking photos anymore, it does justify you not making the trip to either of the tracks.  I get that for real, no sarcasm.   Back to topic, I'd love to see 3 track circuit, but it just isn't going to happen this year, maybe next year when things settle down and all the track owners see the bottom line.

Disclaimer:  This isn't a shot at stan nor northstar.

First of all is the NSL really a series 90% of its races at 2 tracks trust me when I say this Chuck knows a full infield equals full grandstands already two huge crowds on nights that people didn't have to go to work the next day I guarantee he's not lifting off the gas pedal and I for one love it and by the way the racing at Badlands has been awesome. By the way the the puke comment get over it you don't tell a successful business owner how to run a business.

Agree..he's not doing this for the betterment of the sport, he's doing it for his ego. In the end, they didn't share that many cars anyway. Makes sense for TK, Dobmeier, and Zomer to go there. Less competiton up there, more money, and don't miss em' anyway. Listening to Lasoski on Pennlive podcast the other day, sounds like he, and a few other drivers would have preferred they stay on Sundays as well, so they could have three nights of racing in a row in the upper midwest. Instead, this guy had to be a prick. Oh well, to each his own. 

Just baffling that so many think he's doing this for the right reasons. Why would you not want Lasoski, Brown, T-Mac, Zomer, TK, Henderson, Dollansky, Madsen's (sometimes Kerry), Dobmeier, Heskin, etc. to be able to race three nights in a row? Better quality and depth throughout the field would mean more people may come and watch, even on a Sunday. Instead he split it in half on Saturday nights and took away a race in  close proximity for many drivers.

I understand he thinks he'll make more $$$ on Saturday's, but if his pockets are as deep as everyone says, why does it matter? He's going to make money back on concerts and other events he has. And also, he's paying employees to work two nights a week, lights to run two nights a week, doubling up on all sorts of stuff. 

In the end, even racing on Saturday's wasn't probably the biggest issue, but it's the way he went about it, and burnt a lot of bridges in doing so I would guess. 

I'm only half an hour north of the Cities so you might as well say that I live in the Cities because I'm in the seven county metro area.  There's something like close to three million people around here, every pro sport, concert and form of entertainment imaginable.  I'm not seeing any sense spending my weekends driving twelve hours round trip to some little town and dropping a couple hundred bucks on travel and motels for racing when I've got a track 32 miles from the end of the driveway.  I can't justify that expense and time commitment while trying to pay bills down a year from retirement.  After 15 years of writing and photographing races that makes me the bad guy? 

I fail to see both of your points.  North of the TC you aren't going to find much outside the IRL and Uppermidwest what ever the name of it is.  So Stan you are saying that the NSL and Badlands took cars away from either of those series?  Which ones?  Yes, two tracks 120 miles away from each other or whatever the distance is paying more money than precedented in the past and that is a bad thing for the midwest sprint car scene because you live north of the TC?  It's been some time since I've lived in Rochester, so correct me if I'm wrong.  You have cedar lake, deer creek, princeton in that neck of the woods right?  Has the NSL really taken away from any of those tracks?  Has the Badlands affected those low budget racing teams?  Hell, I grew up in Jackson, a bit bias for that track, but try living in Colorado and bitching about driving a 3 hours to see a race. There is NOTHING here.  I live off PPV except for the 3 times a year I travel 14 hours to see a good sprint car race.   As far as the  "maddness" you describe, two race track owners paying a better purse than your local tracks is, despite what you think, is good for the sport.  And yes, I understand your wife doesn't care for the travel time, cost, as well as you not taking photos anymore, it does justify you not making the trip to either of the tracks.  I get that for real, no sarcasm.   Back to topic, I'd love to see 3 track circuit, but it just isn't going to happen this year, maybe next year when things settle down and all the track owners see the bottom line.

Disclaimer:  This isn't a shot at stan nor northstar.

Go throw a good chunk of the money you've earned into an investment and let me decide when you can decide to be open. I'm sure you'll love when I tell you that your investment can't be open on its biggest money making night. Just because he has a lot of money means he shouldn't run on the best night possible to make money? Get the fuck out of here!

Oh by the way, the field on Sunday at Badlands featured SEVEN 410 winners of Knoxville in the past. But apparently that's not "competition" even though those drivers are good enough to win at your beloved track..?

The only teams that this "feud" is hurting is the 18, maybe the 2 and also the 29 when that team's in the area. Dollansky would not be here running three nights a week with their smaller budget. Brown hates this track with a passion and would not drive from Knoxville to Brandon and then back to KC week after week. Heskin hasn't raced here more than a handful times. 

Terry and Dobmeier have both pocketed about 25K in two weeks. Don't think thats hurt them any bit at all  

Also, the crowd both of the nights has been roughly 7K night one and 5K last Sunday. There's no way in hell that happens if there is school/work the following day. 

BIG J

My point was, he's not in it for the betterment of the sport. All three tracks could have worked together, and it was doable. Yes, it would have taken some getting a long and swallowing of pride, so it was slim at best, but it wasn't even attempted. He came in, said fuck you, fuck your track, etc..

I'm sure there were a few at Knoxville who won at Badlands too? What's your point there? Regardless, if that same money would have been offered so that teams could race three nights on a weekend, it could have happened.

One of them actually said "Fuck that guy, I didn't come here to race @ Huset's, I came here to race @ Knoxville, so I don't know that they care either..but, it would have helped his field of cars if they were all given the chance to race there on Sunday.

If that tow money is offered, I bet they would. Again, Terry is making bank, kudos to him for being marketable. He's getting paid a ton of money to just show up week to week, let alone when he wins. Dobmeier should have gone there, he lives in North Dakota, he wasn't a regular @ Knoxville any way and is way better at Huset's.

It is water under the bridge, so all the debating in the world isn't going to change things. I've been accused of being "jealous" and "having it in for Badlands" among other things. That I'm jealous is a hoot, and as for Badlands/Huset's, other than the Nationals I went to far more races at Huset's than Knoxville. My hopes before Brennan announced Saturday 410 shows was this.....there are now three very deep pockets involved in the sprint car world in IA, MN and SD. Knoxville, Quiring and Brennan. The three of them sitting at the table and working together would have ackomplished much much more than they will given the present circumstances. As fo Knoxville, nobody, absolutely nobody is going to come close to what the Knoxville Nationals is. So in the end, Tod and Chuck will probably not reach the full potential that was achievable. They lose, the fans lose and the drivers and teams lose. Some may laugh and think it great that one appears to "outshine" the other. Those that do sure aren't considering the bigger picture. Plus, the shining might wear off. 

Who's actually losing? Badlands started the "arms race" by increasing their payouts, NSL and Knoxville increased theirs in response, drivers win. Fans in Sioux Falls can go to the races two nights a week and see 410s on Saturday night and not have to worry about getting up early for work Monday. Fans win. Knoxville still has a great program, fans win. Not too many fans or drivers would be able to do the three night deal, so who cares?

Who's actually losing? Badlands started the "arms race" by increasing their payouts, NSL and Knoxville increased theirs in response, drivers win. Fans in Sioux Falls can go to the races two nights a week and see 410s on Saturday night and not have to worry about getting up early for work Monday. Fans win. Knoxville still has a great program, fans win. Not too many fans or drivers would be able to do the three night deal, so who cares?

Who's actually losing? Badlands started the "arms race" by increasing their payouts, NSL and Knoxville increased theirs in response, drivers win. Fans in Sioux Falls can go to the races two nights a week and see 410s on Saturday night and not have to worry about getting up early for work Monday. Fans win. Knoxville still has a great program, fans win. Not too many fans or drivers would be able to do the three night deal, so who cares?

Also, say if you just show up and make the show your getting $1400 (depending how far you traveled) which was 10th last night. Say you set Quick Time, get last, and tow your getting $2400 which was 4th last night. Chuck is talking the talk and walking the walk. The "Knoxville" guys just can't get it done on short tracks. 

Who's actually losing? Pay attention and it will be obvious. There will be a loser in this deal. Or at minimum no growth in the Midwest in regards to Sprint car racing. I can understand the Sioux Falls fans are feeling like the winners and that's fine....for the Sioux Falls area. I'm not so sure it's a big enough win to gloat about. Not just yet anyhow. 

Who's actually losing? Pay attention and it will be obvious. There will be a loser in this deal. Or at minimum no growth in the Midwest in regards to Sprint car racing. I can understand the Sioux Falls fans are feeling like the winners and that's fine....for the Sioux Falls area. I'm not so sure it's a big enough win to gloat about. Not just yet anyhow. 

So more higher paying shows equals no growth in sprint cars in the Midwest.

You are a fucking idiot.....