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What was up with the scoring of the factory stock feature? The 46 gets booted from the lead to the infield while behind him another car spins and brings out the yellow. The 46 is placed in the middle of the field on the restart. Not back in the lead. Not at the back of the pack. What happened to going back to the last completed lap? The 46 should have restarted in the lead. It wouldn't have mattered as I'm sure he would have been passed up but the call made no sense.

Kinda like the super sprint yellow for a car stopped off turn two. The race goes back green with the car still in that position WITH a push truck behind it.

Hard to figure.

Yes the 46 got booted! Where was the black flag for 18? He did push 46 out of his way? Sorry I forgot, track favorities can do what they want! SFS is becoming a joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've had problems with them before. They don't go back a lap, you pretty much run to the yellow at SFS, which screws people over. The only way to fix this problem would be transponders.

well im afraid that its gonna take somone getting hurt or killed before and of this crap ends. Lanny was in such a hurry last night that he was willing to put drivers lifes on the line. Well sorry but thats not how i roll. I think that Lanny needs to stay in Lawton and let other people run the show. bugs is absolutely right, its all just a big ol joke.....

Dont get mad at me, im just the pushtruck guy.


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Using Transponders opens up an entirely new can of worms. You have the damaged Transponder that stops working half way through the race, or one that gets knocked off, or falls off. Then you experience battery problems with specific transponders. You have vehicles that cut the track and do not cross the loop, thus not being counted for that entire lap.

You need additional people to load each race class into the transponder software and distribute the transponders and collect any rental or loaners at the end of the night. You also need one or two people to man the computers while the race is underway to set cautions, stop for reds and re-start for greens, and to save each race and refresh for the upcoming race.

You need two decoders and four laptops to deal with hardware failure and computer crashes.

You need two or more manual scorekeepers to refer back to not if but when he electronic timing and scoring fails. When it rains get ready for resistance values to have issues with wet connections and detoriating insulation.

Not saying the Transponders don't do a super job and supply massive amounts of data when they are working correctly. Just pointing out that the Road Racing Sanction I work with owns a $40,000 AMB System and we constantly have issues with all the above and more.

Another problem with the transponders is if a vehicle goes off track to the work areas, and then back on, you need another loop to determine the exact point of the race they returned into the race to determine which lap they are on. It gets super complicated during Endurance races lasting more than 1 hour and races over 25 laps in distance.

Each system ET&S and Manual Scoring have their good and bad sides, everything is a trade off to a degree. Problem with Electronic is you still must have manual scorekeepers, so thinking it is going to save money if false. It costs way more to use ET&S initially and for the long run as well.

If you ask the race director or race ref what the decision was regarding each specific event you would get an answer that typically reads from the rule book, if there is a ruling on that procedure.

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True story.

One of those Drivers was my Husband the 25 modified they made sit in the corner against the tire while everyone was going full blast by him...boy was I mad I went and asked why they didnt throw the yellow they said he was off the track I said bull crap.....They prob thought he was trying to throw the yellow but he couldnt start his car...I was just prayin he wouldnt get hit cause it prob wouldnt have been good.......so yea I guess they would rather risk someone getting hurt rather than throw the yellow flag...

now that is very very true. Not only was he not off the track, but was stalled right in the racing surface. He was sittin right in the apex of 1 n 2 where all cars..........especially mods...........were trying to get down and get that bite goin through 2. That was some very very big bullshit. I thought Alan Oliva was gonna hit him when he made a pass goin through there...........not sure bout the seperation but it looked extremely close from the grandstand.

I thought it was a good show friday night, but lookin at some of the stuff Lanny does or does not do I think he may need his head checked. One look at the 2 drivers of the family and the way they race really supports my theory that its a hereditary thing.

But o well............I'll still go serve up money next friday to see a shabby field of 3 classes. Hopefully ascs at least has a good count...........if not its really gonna suck.

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According to the Program from 1973 State Fair Speedway they had two types of cautions. Both allowed racing to continue. One was a spot yellow in the area of the incident, drivers were allowed to pass and continue racing after they passed the incident, but were to hold position from the waving flag up to the incident. Similar to motorcycle racing spot caution flags.

The other was a full course Caution that allowed the racing to continue but to hold position until the green flag came back out.

If the wrecker or other safety crew is required on the course they would bring out the Red Flag and halt racing to clear the vehicles.

Not sure when or how the flag rules changed, but somehow they seem to of confused a spot caution with a full course caution and the Red flag rule. May as well throw a Red everytime you have a stalled vehiicle, and take care of the incident if you are not willing to continue with racing under the caution flag as the original rules state.

I perfer spot cautions and the racing continues my self. Been that way since I can recall in motorcycle racing and it keeps the action going and does not penalize the leaders because a back packer crashed. Nothing worse than a restart because someone stopped on the track uninjured, in my book.

You REALLY want that to be implemented don't you?

What is with you always comparing motorcycle racing with auto racing? Yeah so they have different ways that they flag....they also have a different track layout....not to mention a MOTORCYCLE that weighs considerably less than these race cars, and can move easier than a car. Either way I think someone who wants to get on something with no cage around them and jump mounds of dirt to see how many times they can fall and break their bones is a bit crazy if not stupid. Now you say they are still allowed to keep racing if a fellow racer is down.....hhhmmm....makes it sound even stupider.

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well never the less this is the State fair Speedway and the flag rules are not going to change. Regardless of what the yellow means in motorcross this whole situation was doomed to begin with. The car was to close to the track and a yellow was never granted so therefor it was a really bad call. Screw the time limit. Safety first. I would rather take a couple lap pause to help a driver than see somone get killed. Lanny dont care because he isnt the one who checks on the driver. He dont have to see what the first responders see. Hopefully i wont have to see that but if he dont get his track straight then it might become a very real situation.

Dont get mad at me, im just the pushtruck guy.


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Man, you must really want to see folks hurt dont you? In motorcycle racing,when a RIDER wrecks,a crew of a few guys can come out, move the motorcycle off of the racing surface, and check on the rider's condition, and do it as safe as possible with that type of flagging.

In dirt track oval racing, I dont how many wrecker drivers,push truck drivers, or medical personal will run out in the middle of a track while 3000 LBS racecars come at them at over 70 mph, nor do I want to try to dodge them.

Motorcycle racing and stock car/sprint car racing are as different as nite and day. What is good for one is not good for the other. I have never seen a racecar flip, the driver pick it up by himself and start racing, and I have never seen a motorcycle push-started by a wrecker or push truck.

Ya know AMP , you get on here as well as other boards throughout this area and give these long winded comparisons about the 70's racing to today's racing and also again the how we did it then and how the motorcycle races do it and this is how everyone should do it, It's 2007 NOT 1977 , cars and motors are faster and built lighter as well as other issues differ than in the 70's and we race cars not bikes , let's see you get out there and haul a sprinter off in a corner and step on it and spin out, let's say on the cushion over the apex of the track of turn 1 at OKC with you facing the racing traffic, your in a sprinter (NO STARTER) , gotta have a push and you cannot get out and push the car out of the way and it is just lap 1 of a 20 lap A main,Let's see how you would like it sitting there lap after lap with as fast as they push these cars (Sprints, Mods, Factorys or whatever) today and run'em right up to the edge most every lap,Bet you would not have that Powder Fresh feeling after the finish , you might even need to dig a little of that alum. seat out of your butt, That PUCKER effect is in full implementation, Spins outs are part of racing especially on Dirt , some nights they happen more than others and some nights they don't happen at all, it is just part of the game, but leaving someone in a dangerous/tough spot and keep on racing, is just not good on a dirt oval at the speeds they are turning out there today and as for the back packer as you ( A PR person or Promoter) like to call them, they compete in the show and help complete your show with participant counts just like the front runner does, but ya know sometimes the back packer will have a good night and get a good run and be a front runner and vice versa , I guess you promote or PR for these indoor shows for motorcycles and quads in the area and I bet you'll take that back packer entry fee money just like you take the front runners entry fee money and both spend pretty much the same.

UH OH, now you got JD wound up. Good stuff.

thats what I am talkin about............speak your mind Mr. Porter.

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Just get tired of the comparisons of then and now , it's now 2007 and it is the way it is , so deal with it and move on, Hell I wish we could build motors for the prices they did in the 70's but not to be , it's now and it's expensive and well nuff said.

By the way David how is the kiddo doin.Last I seen her in a pic she was looking a lot like her mom.

She's doing great, JD. Yes fortunately she looks like her momma. She gets her hard head from me though.

By the way, how did you guys do at Lawton?

JD has been around and he has been nice enough to bite his toungue when I've come up with my "brilliant" ideas[LOL]. He has been there and up close to many legends from the '70s and has seen the changes. JD you need to write a book on the stuff you've seen! Seriously, it would be read by quite a few.

David , We just went to try and get some laps Sat.and started on the back of the heat and A , not knowing what the car would do or how it would react, ran 5th in the heat and then had an incident in the A and bent the steering rod and had to pull off, so not sure where we finished , need to get the driver a little more comfortable with the car.

Brian , Funny thing was talking to Bob Ewell at Dallas this past March and he still wonders where his piglet is , I told him the piglet is 29 to 30 yrs. old and is no piglet no more , might weigh some 400# now, told him waiting for the ham to cure while still on the hoof, LOL, I got to get him a Pig one of these days and take it to the Bowl for the races and he can tie it up to the back of his trailer and he will have all night to decide if he wants to grill or roast.