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For you who missed good racing at Brill's motor speedway. A prime example to have a Engine claimer rule. But first I am not taking away anything from any drive or owner, AND BRILL"S SPEEDWAY. We stay almost until the finish of racing. My interest is the factory stock. It became clear that one car in the field was going to be overly dominate. The track was the best. The sound of the engines was very noticable. But when a track can't police it's own rules or doesn't have a engine claimer rule a couple of car will dominate. I was in the stands. I moved around to get a feel of what the fans think. You would be amazed at what you can see and hear by just asking the fans. But what I saw was this. The fans started leaving at the 10th lap. We started down the stands at the 17th lap. there was less than 20 people when I stoppped and counted. Why is this inportant?

Why should we go back if the same couple of teams keep winning or running away. Where is the thrill? My point is this. Why go and pay for something you know is going to be dull? If I wanted to watch car go fast and crash I go watch traffic going south on I-35 to norman, or heffner speedway. You guys and gals need the engine claimer rule. That also goes for the Oklahoma State Fair Speedway. Contact you track owners or promoter. You can also contact the track sponsor

That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.

I agree watchin the same handful of cars win every week isnt very fun to watch ...But the claim rule is a thing of the past . There will never be a claimer rule ever again , which I'm not sayin thats a bad idea to have a claim rule ..But I just dont think there will ever be one ..Racing today is not what it was 10 years ago 10 yrs ago 20 cars would start the feature and almost all of them had a good chance of winnin...but times are tough and so is the technology ...factory stocks are what pro stocks were 5 yrs ago and they are gettin faster every year . But hey thats what racin is all about goin home doin your homework and gettin faster ...I admit I had it easy for the last couple of years had a great sponsor that liked to buy the good stuff , but this year I'm on my own with no money but hey I'm still winnin races .. It's not all money and motor 75% of it is that thing mounted on your shoulders just takes patience and practice .....But hey thats just my opinion

winners dont cry when they lose , they go back to the 
drawing board and come back for round 2 !

the only reason factory stocks are what pro stocks were 5 years ago is because of the rules.........or better yet allowing exceptions, no engine claim, and lack of checking anything.

Dirttrack28&29...................I fully agree with you. in every way.But until car counts drop to pathetic levels and the shows become not worth price of admission.................these things will never change. Some guys would rather outspend everyone else to fly by them on the track and win every race...........than pay attention to the fact that what they are doing is actually very detrimental to racing. The reason there isn't a claim rule in the factory stocks at OKC is because certain drivers will fight it tooth and nail b/c they have a HUGE advantage in $$$ and even more importantly motors.

And sadly most fans don't really care.....................as long as there are semi-decent A Features they don't care. Maybe some don't even know that if things were ran a little bit better.........there would be a LARGE number of cars in each class.

How much would could a wouldchuck chuck if a 
wouldchuck could chuck would

Jorski

I think your correct about the thing on top of the shoulders, But an engine claim rule is not a thing of the past. It is about policing the cost of racing. And to put that 75% above the shoulders back into the racing. But we are talking about locals. We're talking about our racing community. Remember the big push to save the state fair ground? Well, I think not having a engine claimer rule is the death of local grass root racing in this town. 95% of the factories don't have sponsor that can or are willing to supply enough money. Like you said. My own company has a budget . We only budget so much money for advertizing. And at that it's planned one year in advanced. But back to the solution at hand. Fans are walking out. Racers who want to race can't. A race track can't afford low fan count. You know a night at the race track cost just about as much as It does for a dinner and a movie. I too would like to race this year. It's a shame the car sits in the garage. I just can see spending $8000. on a motor to try to win $200 minus expenses. I've looked at other forms of racing. they police thier racing by what carbs, type transmission, tires size, exhaust, etc. Well you know. So, why is it we at our local tracks can't do the same?

That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.

Well I know who you are talking about and the factory stock I sponsor and the Mod I own & sponsor, and I will say this the motor in the factory is nothing special it is 40% motor & 60% driver also we know how to set the car up to handle and stick to the track, if some of the other drivers would spend the time in getting thier car scaled and set up correct there is half of thier problem, if you have chassis setup knowledge you can take any car and make it go fast, I know this for a fact and also we do not have any big money sponsors we fit all the time and money on both cars ourself, we do all the work and setup & engine building, paint & body, etc... My advice is for some people to learn about chassis setup or ask people that you know are fast and have great handling cars ask them questions and learn, my friend and driver used to run junk and had to drive it as hard as he could to get to the front back in the day, but now we have good cars that are setup correct and work good and at Brill they do inforce the rules after the 3rd win you get torn down and checked we was torn down more times than I can count last year and always legal we are not going to try to beat the rules by any means, my driver is just that good, also Shawn Jorski is a great driver as well as several others can't mention all, last year we ran a junk motor and was just as fast as we are now we had 3 different pistons and rods in the car a engine made out of spare junk parts, this year we have all new stuff and not junk and we do not have alot of money in the motor. We finance 95% of our race cars ourself and by no way are we rich, we just work together in setting up the cars correctly and make them handle and get plenty of bite, if it offends anyone that we can win that much I am sorry, but that is evry racers goal when they go to the track is to win races and a championship and we love racing just as much as anyone else does, and yes we like to win, but you can't win them all. So this is my .02 on the matter and I would suggest if anyone does not know how to setup a race car then talk to anyone who does and learn as much about chassis as you can cause if your car does not bite and handle then you will not be fast, also learn how to build a low budget engine and learn what combo's work the best for torque & horsepower that is all I can suggest.

Danny Waller Jr.
Pro/Street Stock #1J
2006-2007-2009-2010-2011-2012 6 Time BMS Pro/Street Stock 
Champion
4 Time BMS Fall Nationals Champion
2 Time BMS Spring Nationals Champion
Driver: Johnny Reed Jr.

D-walker

yep your driver drove a clean race in the factories. Sure was fast. Was that track tacky or what was it? I don't think he was say anything other than the car need to more bunched up in factories. Not strunk all out. You know more of a race. But from me congrad on the work and the skill.

Is there a local web site type deal to get tech stuff from for racing in the okc area? New to this area. been on the east coast awhile.

I fully agree with Jorski totally. claim rule is a thing of the past but i think better inspection and the rules have to be more direct on what you can and cant run. For example go to brills website and read the rules on the limited mods. they are very direct in what he want and what he expects from everyone as far as engine rules go. All rules in every class need to be very direct in what you can and cant to. Factroy stock need to become more a factory stock instead of a pro stock. Go back to what we now consider a pure stock. and go from there as far a classes are concern. racing has to be very competetive for fans to stay and watch week after week. Im both a fan and a driver and I dont care to go to the smaller tracks and watch races just because its normally a one man show.

I understand doing dirt what you are saying, I am trying to clear the air on what we do, all i am saying is you do not need alot of money to be fast & competitive and yes some people spend way to much money, I would like to see more closer races but it just don't happen always. The track was tacky and in good shape, but the car works on both tacky & dry tracks. The factory stock rules list what you can do and it also says if you have any questions ask the track owner, and he does check the cars to make sure the cubic inch is not over what he has listed as maximum in the rules. I would say as for web sites to call Smiley's in OKC and ask them, Eddie Martin does chassis seminars, Curtis Allen is another great guy for chassis setup Sooner Motorsports in Norman do a search on the net, also alot of supply houses sell chassis books, if anyone will

notice alot of factorys at brill do not handle and are all over the place and you see alot of them spinning out or running into other cars or into the wall like i said before if the car will not handle your not going any where, so get it setup right.

Danny Waller Jr.
Pro/Street Stock #1J
2006-2007-2009-2010-2011-2012 6 Time BMS Pro/Street Stock 
Champion
4 Time BMS Fall Nationals Champion
2 Time BMS Spring Nationals Champion
Driver: Johnny Reed Jr.

J.D I will Take The deal. LOL Deal or No Deal.

The Deeper The Better. GO DEEP!

Back east we called your 112" boats. They are just as fast. I'm glad to see on Brill's web site that he races 108 as factorys. Is this Brill's speedway owner a racer or just a track owner out for the money. I'm use to 108". But we had carb and intake rules. I see here you really don't. I saw some wing car also. I was impressed. Little track had wings. Oh, and I really love that brick wall all the way around the track. If anything those wall help stop the ruff driving and put the skill back into the race. Like D Walker said. You guys were running about a 20 second lap.

108" is the minimum, we run a 112" chevelle chassis, the 112" chassis is the best chassis to use...

Yes Mark Brill is a Racer, he is the 2006 SFS Pro Stock Champion, he is not in the ownership for the money just a racer and loves the sport as much as the rest of us do. Thank's Mark & crew for giving us a good tacky track to run on Saturday, and thank's for all you guy's & gal's do...

Danny Waller Jr.
Pro/Street Stock #1J
2006-2007-2009-2010-2011-2012 6 Time BMS Pro/Street Stock 
Champion
4 Time BMS Fall Nationals Champion
2 Time BMS Spring Nationals Champion
Driver: Johnny Reed Jr.

Ok I happen to believe that in the factory stocks at SFS there is alot more motor than driver skill. I know for a fact of a couple people who have over $10,000 in there motor and guess what they run at the front every week. There is no skill in that. They are illegal and I think the claim rule should come back. This is strictly for the factory stocks but I know a couple of them who are better drivers all the way around, but don't have that much money to put in a motor, and they try to run legal. So reguardless whether your set up is perfect or not, it doesn't matter if a person has that much motor in a car. Granted there are times a track is set up to where that much motor doesn't help, but if the track is fast, then the cheaters are at the front or they blow!

Shawn pretty much nailed it. Technology we cant control,and now with more money,you can buy better parts that will make a factory stock faster, a lot faster. Guys get smarter with the chassis,and learning to use every part to the max. Factory Stocks have always been kinda horsepower dependent cars, now even on a dry slick track. Broncho84 is right too with the amount of money being spent. Its also getting to the point that even on a dry track, motor helps because of the better parts that are available now for a factory stock type car. If you bring the claim back (wont ever happen) it will keep motor costs in check(if used,and used correctly) but those who have the funds will spend money else were to get ahead of the field, and that was part of racing long ago,and will be part of racing until the end.

Goodluck to everybody this weekend

dirtrack29&28

I will agree with you on people leaving half way threw the factory feature Because one car was running away with it, But it is not that drivers fault if he is running by the rules should he let every one keep up to make it more interesting. About teching cars Mark has done a good job My car was checked many times last year and always legal. As was Johnny and many more.

You said you could listen to the cars and tell which one would win If you were listening you would hear that the car in question is out of the gas for about 1/2 second in the corner when most of the other cars are out of shape and in and out of the gas many times in the same corner.

Some people do not like Mark Brill and that is fine but what he is doing at meeker is good for all of us less tracks will not do any of us any good.

So if you do not know what you are talking about do not start stuff just becouse you do not like a person.

Perry Colby

Mini 5c Brill Motor Speedway

I have to agree with Danny. set up and driver ability win races. sometimes a cheater motor will get the job done but wheres the glory in that ???? yay i won cause i cheated !!!! i do enjoy watching johnny make his way around the track at Brills, the way he drives it i belive you could take the motor outta any other factory stock and swap it with his and he's still gonna lead and win races. as far as the sfs goes i think they do need to make some changes to the rules and regulations and the way the cars are teched in the factory stock class. maybe restrict em to some OEM parts and claimers on carbs, intakes and ignition systems, something that you don't need a whole gasket set to replace.

P Colby, I never mentioned anyone. D Walker took it upon himself. I was using staurday night as an example of why engine claimer rule works for the factories. The driver did great job driving and he handled his car with skill and intellengence. I didn't see the leader ever bump or push anyone out of the way. He just drove around them or out raced them. At brill's you have a great opportunity to really listen to the motors of the race cars as they go by. The leader engine under power was very smooth and pure sounding. I was able to compare the 1st and 2nd place car as they went by. The difference was night and day. You could tell that 1st place took more time and effort the build their motor. I also never stated or implied any one is cheating. That is wrong. You need to tech them with instruments. I have seen Brill's (meeker) go from ok 1/4 mile track in the early 90's to what it is today. Brill is doing a great job. The track is the best it has ever been best. I could go on. I have no like or dislike of any racer. I don't even know who you are. Do I care? Not in the least. What I do care about is the factory stock class. I as a past crew chief, driver, owner, and sponsor would like to see this class come back to a more what is suppose to be. For people like you and me. The people who love to race. To place your ablitity and skill againist everyone else. Not your money againist my money. Ok if you don't like the claimer rule. What about restrictions? Like carb, transmission, vaccum etc.

That's my Opinion and I'm stick'en to it.

Well this is the way I see it. Everyone seems to be in agreement that the Factory Stocks of today are the Pro Stocks of long ago, that should tell us something right there! Make them Factory Stocks of old, change the rules back, whatever it takes to get someone in a car for under 3 to 4 grand and make the Factory Stocks in Pro's. Kill 2 birds with one stone and have to good classes again. JMO.

I would love it to be like the old days , That would be one of the best ways to bring back the class ..But here's the deal everyone let the rules get blown out of the water , Racers bought all of the new equipment so the rules can never go backwards , That would kill any track that tried to do it .As for the future of the factory stock classes all over the state , unless something is done the already dwindleing car counts will end up being very low ....As for me I have realized that I could own a very nice modified for what it takes to be competitive in a factory so more than likely this will be my final year with fenders

winners dont cry when they lose , they go back to the 
drawing board and come back for round 2 !

I know what you were saying DT 28 & 29, I know you were not putting the blame on anyone, but I did need to come clear the air cause we seem to get fingers pointed at us alot, that usually happens when you win alot. Alot of great points made here by several people that is what this forum is for. Thank's for all the opinions...

Danny Waller Jr.
Pro/Street Stock #1J
2006-2007-2009-2010-2011-2012 6 Time BMS Pro/Street Stock 
Champion
4 Time BMS Fall Nationals Champion
2 Time BMS Spring Nationals Champion
Driver: Johnny Reed Jr.