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February 06, 2009 at
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February 06, 2009 at
12:14:17 PM by new-parts
The non-wing Midwest Sprint Car
Series (MSCS) Rule 33 (ENGINES - Steel or
aluminum blocks with any cubic inch) is the only engine-fuel-aspiration
rule.
This means that Turbos, Blowers, SOHC-DOHC V6 & V8s, Hemi Heads, Light Loads of
Nitro, Nitrous Oxide, More Displacement out of a Small Block, ETC are legal.
Do you think this is a good rule or a bad
rule?
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February 06, 2009 at
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It's non-wing... it's good to have a killer motor but there has to be overkill. You can only get so much non-wing horsepower to the ground.
There isn't much difference in spinning your wheels too much and spinning your wheels way too much... they're both not transferring the power to the track.
I'm not positive on what size tracks MSCS runs on... the smaller the track the less a big motor will matter.
To me it's more about handling without roofs over the driver.
One division of racing I was involved in had open motor rules. Whatever you want. Police yourself. You just tried to spend as little as possible once you hit the threshold of wasted horsepower... then it was a waste.
Point being... take the motor out of John Force's funny car and jab it into an MSCS sprint car... will it be faster than a properly tuned Wesmar 410 in a well-set up car? I'll be you... NO.
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February 06, 2009 at
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In my opinion it first depends on the track size. Big tracks can use big horsepower. Obviously, small tracks require less. Yes...In all counts setup is paramount. Non-winged racing is it's own great equalizer.
We had a small (1/4 mile) track here in KC for a while that ran a "run what you brung" non-winged sprint car class. They were getting 18-24 cars a week. I was lucky enough to back into victory lane there twice. Once using a Wesmar 410 and once using an injected 305. Both times using the same chassis. It seems all different motor configurations where competitive. Full blown 410's, ASCS 360's and area legal 305's (carburated or injected). Pretty neat deal while it lasted.
Bottom line.....depends on the track size and track condition.
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February 06, 2009 at
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Reply to:
Posted By: Some Guy In Texas on February 06 2009 at 12:35:11 PM
It's non-wing... it's good to have a killer motor but there has to be overkill. You can only get so much non-wing horsepower to the ground.
There isn't much difference in spinning your wheels too much and spinning your wheels way too much... they're both not transferring the power to the track.
I'm not positive on what size tracks MSCS runs on... the smaller the track the less a big motor will matter.
To me it's more about handling without roofs over the driver.
One division of racing I was involved in had open motor rules. Whatever you want. Police yourself. You just tried to spend as little as possible once you hit the threshold of wasted horsepower... then it was a waste.
Point being... take the motor out of John Force's funny car and jab it into an MSCS sprint car... will it be faster than a properly tuned Wesmar 410 in a well-set up car? I'll be you... NO.
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"You can only
get so much non-wing horsepower to the ground"
"You just tried
to spend as little as possible once you hit the threshold of wasted
horsepower"
I think you make the 2 essential points, you can't
get it to the ground and you only need to build X amount of
horsepower.
That makes it cheaper to build horsepower because
the creative engine builder has so many
options to choose from.
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February 06, 2009 at
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Reply to:
Posted By: new-parts on February 06 2009 at 01:27:39 PM
"You can only
get so much non-wing horsepower to the ground"
"You just tried
to spend as little as possible once you hit the threshold of wasted
horsepower"
I think you make the 2 essential points, you can't
get it to the ground and you only need to build X amount of
horsepower.
That makes it cheaper to build horsepower because
the creative engine builder has so many
options to choose from.
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better police the traction control rule real good. lol.
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February 06, 2009 at
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Reply to:
Posted By: new-parts on February 06 2009 at 01:27:39 PM
"You can only
get so much non-wing horsepower to the ground"
"You just tried
to spend as little as possible once you hit the threshold of wasted
horsepower"
I think you make the 2 essential points, you can't
get it to the ground and you only need to build X amount of
horsepower.
That makes it cheaper to build horsepower because
the creative engine builder has so many
options to choose from.
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Open cubic inch rules are in the end a better way for lower budget teams to compete. I would go cubic inches over pricey high revving 360's or 410's anyday. Hell you could build a nice 430 + cubic inch cast iron Dart small block cheaper than an off the shelf 410 from any major builder. You simply cannot beat dollar for dollar, the torque, horsepower and price of cubic inches. I applaud this series for being wise enough to open the rules up, its exactly what is needed during these type economic times. It may not be right for winged cars but it is good for non wing divisions.
Cheers!
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