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NEW USAC/CRA SPRINT CAR POINT STANDINGS:
1-Hagen-65; 2-Jones-65; 3-Sheridan-64; 4-Gaunt-63; 5-Williams-55; 6-Weir-50; 7-Johnson-48; 8-Argo-44; 9-Brown-44; 10-Mitchell-39.

In looking at the point standings after one event, it seems there isn't enough points given to the winner of the main event. I get the fact you can get less points for not qualifying better than another driver (which can be based on being lucky or unlucky based on your pill draw), and the same for heat races.

However, the ultimate goal of the whole program is to win the main event! It just seems that a driver should not leave a track with the same (or fewer) points than another if that driver wins the feature race that night. Of course, the winner gets the $$$ and a winners trophy, but they should be able to leave with the most points too.

I agree, but here is there system. I guess they want to reward qualifying, heat races, semi, and the mainevent thus it can easily overshadow the accomplishement of the mainevent winner. This point system rewards running in the top 6, but it is very harsh if you have a DNF. After watching the great battles of Damion and Cory the last 2 years in the point chase on a WEEKLY BASIS sometimes, it was very apparent that winning a race did not do much for improving one's position in the points, however having a DNF, Crash, a bad official, motor problem for either driver was difficult to make points up unless the other driver had a problem.

Qualifying points are earned for a 30 lap race event the following:

1st – 6 points
2nd – 5 points
3rd – 4 points
4th – 3 points
5th – 2 points
6th – 1 point

Heats:

1st – 8 points
2nd – 7 points
3rd – 6 points
4th – 5 points
5th – 4 points
6th – 3 points

Semi:
1st – 4 points
2nd – 3 points
3rd – 2 points
4th – 1 point
balance of field 1 point

PRIZE MONEY DISTRIBUTION AND POINTS

Qualifying Race: Cars finishing 1 through 4 transfer to the back of heat races
Cars finishing 5 through 10 (6 Cars) $50.00

B-Main: - Cars finishing 1 through 4 transfer to feature
Cars finishing 5 through 20 (16 Cars) $100.00

FEATURE

PAYOFF - POINTS
1. $2,500.00 – 60 Points
2. $1,375.00 – 57 Points
3. $1000.00 – 54 Points
4. $775.00 – 51 Points
5. $660.00 – 48 Points
6. $580.00 – 45 Points
7. $525.00 – 42 Points
8. $475.00 – 39 Points
9. $425.00 – 36 Points
10. $400.00 – 33 Points
11. $375.00 – 31 Points
12. $350.00 – 29 Points
13. $325.00 – 27 Points
14. $310.00 – 25 Points
15. $300.00 – 23 Points
16. $300.00 – 21 Points
17. $300.00 -19 Points
18. $300.00 – 17 Points
19. $300.00 – 15 Points
20. $300.00 – 13 Points
Balance of field 13 points

Personally, I would rather see a Point System that rewards a driver for winning a race, as opposed to hurting a driver for DNF as is the system now. The point spread from 1st to 2nd is 3 points, 1st to 5th 12 points, however 1st to DNF (20th or worse) is a whopping 47 points. If you won the next 15 races, and your competition finished 2nd, you still would not have made up the points you lost on that one DNF !!!! However, if you won the next 4 races, and your competition finished 5th every race, you would make up the difference. If you won and your competition average a 3rd place, which is likely with COry or Damion, it woould take 8 MAIN EVENT WINS (7.8) to make up those points and basically break even! (But you can also make points in Qualfiying and in heat races).

For better or worse, the system seems to work. I would rather see the Main Event Winner get rewarded both monetarily and with points. Does anyone have a better idea than the current system? It rewards qualifying, heat race action, and the main event. Wouldn't it be funny if they awarded the prize money for the night based on the amount of the points awarded for the night and also the differeneces in point totals.

Thus Hagan, Jones, Sheridan and Gaunt would ALL get about the same $ for the night, if its good for the points, why not the pay window?

This points system sucks, imo the winner should recieve at least 30 more than second place.

Grady

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There should be points for qualifying and heats, but not enough to over-ride the main event finishing order.  The points system should be structured so that 1st - 21st in the main should end the night in that points order with qualifing and heat points only to close those gaps, not surpass.  The 4th place main event finisher should not be tied for 1st place in overall points.

Same point system as when I started working on sprint cars in 1979 in the original CRA,so whats the issue,the system rewards people for running good all night, not just in the main event.The numbers that really bother me though,are the pay off amounts for the main event. In the late 80's and early 90's we raced for 3,000 to 4,000 to win with second paying 1,500 to 2,000 and it was 300.00 to start, those numbers sure have went backwards,but the cost of running a car and buying parts on the other hand have been going up almost every season.It isn't hard to figure out why car counts are down,since the cost of racing keeps going up and the purse is going down.I could care less about the points systems,it's the payoff that I find is more of an issue,since the tire dealer doesn't accept points for that new right rear tire you need to buy each week!

KOP. Thank you for once again pointing out something NEGATIVE in your mind about the series that is no longer run by your friend. I think there should be points for posters that can come up with the most ways to cause turmoil in a series they basically have nothing to do with. (You Win) Also, maybe you can explain after all your posts that bash and in every way possible tear down anything to do with USAC, why would you encourage anybody to put into the lap money for a USAC race (the one at the track that your friend is now connected with) and since that money is being collected by the race track and not you, and I can donate money straight to the fund through the promoter, why is it that you have connected your name to it? If your suddenly so concerned with lap money, will we be expecting you to collect lap money for the next USAC-CRA race at Ventura?

I think KOP makes a valid point on this issue and by the responses of the others, they seem to think it's an issue too. I would like to see the main event winner get at least 10 points more. CRA91 also brings up a good point about the purse. It does seem as though it's going BACKWARDS. As I recall, that was the issue SCRA was trying to keep from happening. All a moot point now of course.

JUSTWONDERING......

Just a quick observation. You sure seem to be concerned more than anyone on what KOP is or isn't doing. This is reflected by your NEGATIVE posts. You know what they say about "look who's calling the kettle black". So what if he has had some strong opinions about USAC and yet still wishes to help if he can. After all, there are race teams that have just as strong of feelings (some that I have seen posted here), yet they show up to race. Should they go away too? Also, you don't call them out as you do this guy. Seems to me someone has really gotten under your skin and you need to get over it. Or better yet, he does on occasion tell us when he will be at a west coast track. Ever think of having him paged to meet him and have a face to face discussion, or is it more convenient to stay behind your keyboard? JMO

Steve Christy

Yenko, you are 100% correct in your observations, my black kettle is because here is a guy that constantly has a jab to throw at a series that is the best there is. Puts on the best racing there is at the some of the best tracks in the country and yet every chance there is he takes the opportunity to stir the pot. I think it is important to point that out, and you probably understand by now what I think his agenda is and why. As far as meeting him face to face, I have, and was enlightened to his feelings towards the situation on the west coast. Guess I'm trying to say that all that glitters is not gold. And yes, there are other posters that don't always agree with the current policy, but being drivers, car owners, crew members and even fans that attend on a regular basis, they have cause, concerns and understandable reasons why. Since I'm miles from the situation myself and I'm not trying to be the west coast KOP, it is not my deal to publicy disagreee with them.

I will have to say that it would be great if everything was perfect and we could all see eye to eye on everything. What has been going on the past 3 years has caused dis-sentiment like we haven't seen before between the race teams and their sanctioning body. I trust that's because unlike before, they were the sanctioning body. I do have a sincere concern that the race teams and USAC seem to be in a state of "what now?" kind of syndrome. I don't have the answer but hopefully they will work out their issues. Of course, I haven't met you justwondering. Just seen your posts. If I may say, they do come off as someone who seems to be quite angry.

One thing I did catch. I have seen where you have blasted KOP in the past for being concerned while he's not from the area. You just made the comment that you are also 'miles away'. Since you also voice your opinions about the series here (which is your right to do so), isn't that a double standard?

Steve.

Yes, I'm angry. (no offense taken) I just don't hide it. If the exact same complaints were from someone with a dime invested it wouldn't bother me. KOP has no other reason (my view) than to cause trouble and go run to his friend and "tee hee, guess what I did now"

Yes, I'm miles away, you ought to see my airline bill, at least I go to the races, sorry I missed last week, sure wish I was there to watch Sheridan. His next win is coming soon.

Now that we have brought it up, I don't know how the points were awarded, but more importantly, I'm trying to remember how much $$$ the top 5 were awarded at the banquet the year Rickie Gaunt won the SCRA championship. And also, I talked to a few "good friends" that didn't even go to that banquet, does anybody know how many people DID go? John, possibly you were there?

WOW!

I haven't seen so many mistruths spoken since the Nixon years ;)

I said it before ,I love USAC like I love my grandkids. Love em to visit but glad when their gone. If you grew up in Cal and AZ like I did and understood the rivalry that CRA and SCRA had with USAC and how special and exciting it was to watch the home town boy's run with and yes some times beat the "big boys" you just might get it instead of justwondering all the time.

It's not about Shuman,the man I called "my guy" when he was racing and its not the names CRA or SCRA for me it's the homogenising of those racer's with USAC because a few track owners thought they could gain control of what was considered a outlaw group that was standing up for themselves.Yes outlaw.

Thought it was just fine when the local boy's made good and headed out to the Midwest to run and it was just fine when they came home. Home was CRA and SCRA. Just in case your wondering. I think kop gets it even though he's not from here. Some guest just stay to long and disrupt the home.

I don't need to hear any cr** about progress.....

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

JW

You are the one that seems to be bitter and angry at KOP . He like everyone else on this board has the right to there questions, views and dissatisfaction's. You are the one who keeps bringing his friend into this whole issue. What is the big deal with him being friends with Ron Shuman ??? I'm good friends with Casey Shuman does that make me a person that wants to cause trouble when I post . I was going to post about events that took place at the drivers meeting at Perris this past week but decided against it due to the fact that the whole issue would be turned around . There are alot of issues with USAC that really make me angry but there is nothing that I can do about it on a personal level but I can voice my opinion about it . you say that it wont bother you if someone has a dime invested to make a complaint. Well I have invested some of my own money to a few different drivers . I have bought Fuel Tires, helped a driver buy a Butler seat and what ever else that I can help out with when I can afford to help out. What have you done to help the local racers ????

But some how you will find some sort of negativite with my post but that is your chioce.

Joe Clifton

OK Fish / Joe........... where do I send my $50 to?  :)

What the he** are you talking about? It's just how some of us feel.. I'll be at Manzy Fri and Sat. [email protected]

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

justwondering

Get this months sprintcar and midget magazine and read the "summer of glory" about how a local boy in Pennsylvania put it to the "big boy's" when they came to town. It's a true story about Mitch Smith, a hard driving sun of a gun who just did what he alway's did,drive like there was no tomorrow.

We have story's just like that in this part of the world and I'm sure there are a lot of people on this forum that can think of a time and a man who drove like a madman and showed em how it's done at Ascot or Manzy or other tracks "over here".

That's gone and I miss it. WE were never a "farm club" for USAC!!

Half the lies they tell about me aren't true. 

There is a few men that are from the west coast that not only showed them how it's done at Ascot,Manzy and other left coast tracks,but also showed them how to get it done in the USAC boys own backyard.

Based upon the posted list that jdfast attached, can somebody confirm that if you end up running the the "B" and mange to transfer, your initial points awarded for finishing 5th or 6th in your heat race are actually wiped away?

If that is the case, I can fully understand that they will not allow you to "double earn" points for both races. However, if that is NOT the case, then USAC underscored both Gaunt and Argo 3 and 4 points, respectively.

Can any of you that are "in-the-know", please shed some light on this question? Thanks!

BTW, thanks to all the teams that continue to come out and put on a show for us race-after-race and season-after-season! 

John, never mind, I got my answer, there was nobody at the banquet and the top 5 got no money, I'm surprised you even brought that subject up, all things considered. Being the banquet historian that you are, was there a reason for not answering the question?

Joe, no disagreement with your post, in fact I totally agree, to answer your question, I have done very little to help out the local racer, I help out when I can, but I would like to point out, that I don't take every opportunity to bash what is going on out there in Calif. just for retaliation.