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Topic: 2020 WOO Championship
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EasyE
May 29, 2020 at 09:07:17 AM
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Was thinking about this the other day. If there ends up being 30,40, even 50 woo races and a champion is crowned, it would be a very watered down version of a woo champion in my eyes. The normal woo champion and their team generally endures 80+ races and that team has to perform at a high and consistant level for 80+ races from February to november. If brad or donny wins I may not think much of it because they are head and shoulders above the rest  but if another team other than those two win you gotta think, would this team really have won with a normal year of woo racing? If  there are less than 55 or maybe 50 woo races ran, if I'm woo I would refrain from crowning a champion to retain the integrity of being a woo champion and reward all members in some other way for being members this year. 



egras
May 29, 2020 at 09:12:18 AM
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Posted By: EasyE on May 29 2020 at 09:07:17 AM

Was thinking about this the other day. If there ends up being 30,40, even 50 woo races and a champion is crowned, it would be a very watered down version of a woo champion in my eyes. The normal woo champion and their team generally endures 80+ races and that team has to perform at a high and consistant level for 80+ races from February to november. If brad or donny wins I may not think much of it because they are head and shoulders above the rest  but if another team other than those two win you gotta think, would this team really have won with a normal year of woo racing? If  there are less than 55 or maybe 50 woo races ran, if I'm woo I would refrain from crowning a champion to retain the integrity of being a woo champion and reward all members in some other way for being members this year. 



We all have opinions, and I disagree.  I don't think there is any way the WoO would not crown a champion this season.  And anyone who is leading the points at the end of 30, 40 or 50 races, should be crowned champion.  That is plenty of races to shake out who is the car/driver to beat.  



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May 29, 2020 at 09:33:31 AM
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Yes the WoO will not award a champion because EazyE on hose heads thinks it would be watered down. Certainly no pride can be had from winning the championship in 2020.



EasyE
May 29, 2020 at 09:43:20 AM
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Posted By: Kingpin2014 on May 29 2020 at 09:33:31 AM

Yes the WoO will not award a champion because EazyE on hose heads thinks it would be watered down. Certainly no pride can be had from winning the championship in 2020.



Well its settled then! I'll call the trophy shop and cancel the trophy order!



NoDoors
May 29, 2020 at 09:54:31 AM
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Posted By: EasyE on May 29 2020 at 09:07:17 AM

Was thinking about this the other day. If there ends up being 30,40, even 50 woo races and a champion is crowned, it would be a very watered down version of a woo champion in my eyes. The normal woo champion and their team generally endures 80+ races and that team has to perform at a high and consistant level for 80+ races from February to november. If brad or donny wins I may not think much of it because they are head and shoulders above the rest  but if another team other than those two win you gotta think, would this team really have won with a normal year of woo racing? If  there are less than 55 or maybe 50 woo races ran, if I'm woo I would refrain from crowning a champion to retain the integrity of being a woo champion and reward all members in some other way for being members this year. 



WOW Really??  What difference does it make?  All teams and Drivers ran the races and someone won those races.  I wuld agree if it was only 1 race but if someone wins the majority of the races or finishes in the top 5 or 10 religiously he should be champion.  The playing field is equal, the Races were run and lost by those that raced.  Weather it was 10 races or 100 races the guy who ran well deserves the crown 



highspeeddirt
May 29, 2020 at 10:01:34 AM
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What we need is a playoff system then it would be a legit championship.



dsc1600
May 29, 2020 at 10:08:21 AM
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Posted By: highspeeddirt on May 29 2020 at 10:01:34 AM

What we need is a playoff system then it would be a legit championship.



Boogity Boogity Boogity!



MDL
May 29, 2020 at 10:09:57 AM
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Posted By: egras on May 29 2020 at 09:12:18 AM

We all have opinions, and I disagree.  I don't think there is any way the WoO would not crown a champion this season.  And anyone who is leading the points at the end of 30, 40 or 50 races, should be crowned champion.  That is plenty of races to shake out who is the car/driver to beat.  



Like you said, opinions.  IMO, a 50 race championship makes every single time you hit the track 2X as important.  It should showcase the team that excels most consistently and has the fewest 'good, but not great' nights.  Mulligans hurt twice as much as normal in half the races.

The 100some race seasons have many factors that make them a challenge:  financing to go the distance without compromises, mental mindset to stay at 100% effort from Feb to Nov (crews, drivers, owners..),  sufficient off-season preparation, high quality and expensive transport equipment, ...

50 races might give a team that is normally running on empty the last 20 races during a normal season the unique chance to shine and elevate their operation going forward.

Again, IMO, anytime you can best the current high quality crop of teams on this tour, no asterisk is appropriate.

& everyone know the many  'opinions are like ..' sayings ( I guess it would be memes now?) 



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dsc1600
May 29, 2020 at 10:29:02 AM
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In some ways it's harder to win it this year, in some ways probably easier. Harder because as has been said, bad nights are going to be really tough to overcome. Logan and Sweet out of a total possible 900 pts awarded through 6 races have accumulated 866 and 864 respectively. That means even if someone had won 5 races and finished last in one, he'd have accumulated only 852 pts and be 14 pts out of the lead.

That said it's easier in some ways because the amount of tracks they are racing at will be greatly reduced. Highly doubt the spring Cali swing will be made up, less races in PA, more races in the midwest makes more a different playing field than most years.



EasyE
May 29, 2020 at 10:29:50 AM
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Posted By: highspeeddirt on May 29 2020 at 10:01:34 AM

What we need is a playoff system then it would be a legit championship.



Oh my God no I quit watching nascar the instant I found out there was a playoff system to have a drivers lead basically erased towards the end of the season is insane and is so stupid I cant stand to even hear about it. That's just not the way racing works



Nick14
May 29, 2020 at 10:51:31 AM
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As long as all the teams have to abide by the same rules and go to all of the races and the points count the same for all of those races then the championship counts in my book. The curveball has been thrown to all of the teams so they all have to race under the same circumstances as the others. It would be one thing if 3 drivers had to race at one location, 3 at another, and so on and so forth. But so far, everyone has had to race under the same conditions and everyone earns points the same way. Does not matter if it is 20, 30, 80, 90, 150 races, you add up the points at each one of those and whoever has the most points is the champion 



beezr2002
May 29, 2020 at 11:36:34 AM
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The WoO had a champion in '89 when they were competing with the USA  group lots of WoO members jumped ship to run with the USA group. Should there have been an asterisk(sp) by Bobby Davis's name because the competition was slightly different? Wolfgang was really the man that year, true outlaw driver going where the money was. His car owner was an oullaw too.. Good times.



JonR
May 29, 2020 at 11:49:52 AM
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Posted By: beezr2002 on May 29 2020 at 11:36:34 AM

The WoO had a champion in '89 when they were competing with the USA  group lots of WoO members jumped ship to run with the USA group. Should there have been an asterisk(sp) by Bobby Davis's name because the competition was slightly different? Wolfgang was really the man that year, true outlaw driver going where the money was. His car owner was an oullaw too.. Good times.



Owner was an outlaw or a criminal?    Wasn't that when the guy's wife was embezzling money from real estate/goverment?  



Murphy
May 29, 2020 at 12:11:35 PM
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Posted By: EasyE on May 29 2020 at 09:07:17 AM

Was thinking about this the other day. If there ends up being 30,40, even 50 woo races and a champion is crowned, it would be a very watered down version of a woo champion in my eyes. The normal woo champion and their team generally endures 80+ races and that team has to perform at a high and consistant level for 80+ races from February to november. If brad or donny wins I may not think much of it because they are head and shoulders above the rest  but if another team other than those two win you gotta think, would this team really have won with a normal year of woo racing? If  there are less than 55 or maybe 50 woo races ran, if I'm woo I would refrain from crowning a champion to retain the integrity of being a woo champion and reward all members in some other way for being members this year. 



I think there was a time when they ran over 100 races per year. That means that during a lot of those years with *only* 80 races they should not have crowned somebody champion. In fact, they should probably recind some of thosw championships. Let us know how it went once you've retrieved Steve Kinser's trophies.



Dryslick Willie
May 29, 2020 at 01:49:07 PM
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Posted By: JonR on May 29 2020 at 11:49:52 AM

Owner was an outlaw or a criminal?    Wasn't that when the guy's wife was embezzling money from real estate/goverment?  



Yep



linbob
May 29, 2020 at 02:37:00 PM
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Posted By: EasyE on May 29 2020 at 09:07:17 AM

Was thinking about this the other day. If there ends up being 30,40, even 50 woo races and a champion is crowned, it would be a very watered down version of a woo champion in my eyes. The normal woo champion and their team generally endures 80+ races and that team has to perform at a high and consistant level for 80+ races from February to november. If brad or donny wins I may not think much of it because they are head and shoulders above the rest  but if another team other than those two win you gotta think, would this team really have won with a normal year of woo racing? If  there are less than 55 or maybe 50 woo races ran, if I'm woo I would refrain from crowning a champion to retain the integrity of being a woo champion and reward all members in some other way for being members this year. 



Of course they should have a champion.  It would not be watered down.  For you people that never have raced, to run 40-50 races a year is harder than you would think.  The travel would wear most people out.  I asked Steve Kinser wife about running 80 races a year and how they did it.  She said it was the only thing they knew.  All kinds of tracks have champions with 20-30 races is still work.  It does not matter if it is football, basketball or racing, you run the schedual thrown at you and someone will come out on top.



Murphy
May 29, 2020 at 04:04:32 PM
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Posted By: EasyE on May 29 2020 at 09:07:17 AM

Was thinking about this the other day. If there ends up being 30,40, even 50 woo races and a champion is crowned, it would be a very watered down version of a woo champion in my eyes. The normal woo champion and their team generally endures 80+ races and that team has to perform at a high and consistant level for 80+ races from February to november. If brad or donny wins I may not think much of it because they are head and shoulders above the rest  but if another team other than those two win you gotta think, would this team really have won with a normal year of woo racing? If  there are less than 55 or maybe 50 woo races ran, if I'm woo I would refrain from crowning a champion to retain the integrity of being a woo champion and reward all members in some other way for being members this year. 



    Oh garsh!  He got us this time. I get the joke now. Re-read the last sentence of his post. Instead of crowning a WoO season champion, he suggest that everyone gets a participation trophy. For a while there, I thought he was serious. ;)



EasyE
May 29, 2020 at 07:25:24 PM
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Nope not a joke at all I raced for 19 years only ran for a championship 2 times and got 2nd and 3rd. Last season the track I ran for points at those times didnt get to race untill like june. If I would have won a championship  that year I would have felt like it was watered down I feel like the more races involved on a championship the harder it is. 



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