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Seriously, Mick, I really thought that Steve, Danny, etc would have a better showing this year than they have up to this point. I mean, after what, a dozen races so far, I figured the teams who didn't race as much last year would start picking it up by now after getting more seat time in. Danny hasn't had great results yet, and, other than one win by both, Steve and TK aren't shining like some might have expected either. It does seem like a repeat of last year in some ways. Donny, Joey, Pittman winning most of the races. I wonder what gives with the returning teams.

It kinda' makes you think, how long it's going to take this season before certain people start the rumors that the WoO are looking the other way and letting Saldana and Schatz "cheat" like the accusations that ran rampant last year?

I was at the nationals last year and Bulls Gap last night, last night the car Donny got into was the #14 who was leading . He spun trying to stay off of him. It was not like Lasoski deal last year. only one car did get by him and that is where they put him. On that yellow Meyers comes in with a flat left rear where Donny tapped him, didnt even get Meyers sideways? it seamed the flag was a little quick with the yellow because you could see Donny was just going to do a donut and keep going? from my point of view, it was a real fast spin, not like Lasoskis last year. Anyway the race was AWSOME. Kevin Eckert was there maybe he will write about it. so close to Bristol alot of Cup guys there place was packed.Scott Bloomquist unloaded after the main and tested all last night. we left at almost 3am and he was just getting started. Awsome Race

Keep it up  Donny everybodys just jealous that you got your spot back

Sounds like the masters of the takeout move were at their best last night. Schatz gets to stay in 3rd while he takes out the leader Meyers?? Sammy takes out Haud, who was one of the fastest cars on the track?? Im sure McCarl wouldve taken somebody out if his break hadnt stuck....hahaha.....what goes around comes around I guess. Way to go Joey and Tim for putting on one helluva show last night! Wish I couldve been there.

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They didn't give him his spot back, they put him in place where he fell into when the yellow came out. They put him in 3rd. Either way you either give him his spot back or put him to the back. I don't see how anyone can do a complete 360 and only lose one position. He and Meyers weren't that far ahead of the rest of the field. The just need to make a rule and stick to it. Just my 2cents worth

LOL....Sammy was IN FRONT of Haud when Haud ran into him then hit the wall.........

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If the rules in the book, fine. As long as the rules are the same for everyone and not just a select few.

i'm not sure but i don't think anyone has really bashed donny here. i believe we are disagreeing on the call the woo made. i think we all know without two way communication he can not run the woo from the cockpit of his car.

who spun and got their spot back in Floriduh?

now get back to work and carry the old geezer a Coor light.

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
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No, no, no, the biggest story of that Tennesee WoO deal was Kevin Nouse left the porch...

BTW, It's like Midnight (East Coast) and was looking for the details of the afternoon action at "The Grove". Nothing yet.....?

Guys - Don't blame the WoO officials. I was flagging the race for the track and I hit the lights and threw the yellow when the 15 went backwards and was facing traffic. I already had it out when the tower called "stay green! stay green!" It was my fault and the blame should fall on my shoulders. I applaud WoO for adopting this rule and the blend rule. I think it fairly addresses a tough circumstance involving a judgement call.

RES

Roger; I applaud your honesty. BUT!!! I'll bet a dollar to a bag of soggy cigars that it won't carry a great deal of creedence with the folks on here. All they know is that a driver they don't like "got away with murder". Facts mean nothing, even coming from the flagman or "Checkered Guy".:)

Personally, I feel sorry for all the fans and you who work at the track. That was 1 loooong night.

Great A Main for the Sprints though, not to mention that great finish!!!

Hope that I can make it down there someday to see your track.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

...and now you know the rest of the story. Thanks Roger, always a class act. Take It Easy....

Pathetic as per usual BRR, some things never change. How ironic a porch dweller asks me about an Outlaw race, have you no shame, fool. Last year was a long time ago, tell me more about FLORIDA this year and the lapped Posse traffic, ahhhh, you gotta love that neutral ground embarassment known as the PA Posse. My work is done, lol. Take It Easy.....

I agree completely with BRR, "Take It Easy" dude. I have been reading the crap you put on here for a couple years now (actually, it seems like decades). Maybe it's time for YOU to grow up. No need to continue acting like the little kid down the street that you apparently want to be.

The blend rule is just not quite right in sprint car racing. While he was 3rd in line when the caution came out(taking into account Meyers' pit stop), he was going to lose a few more spots before he got back to speed. He would have been lucky to save 5th or 6th if not for the lucky yellow...

Hawker, where did you see that Sammy was in front of Haud when their deal happened?

By the way, the race was excellent and Joey's rim-riding exhibition was one of the better displays I've seen in a while. The track was toast but didn't develop a rubber groove, thankfully.

Just going by what the "voice of the Outlaws" said on the broadcast.

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The WoO rule was explained to me immediately after the Lasoski "incident" at last years National's and although the person who explained it to me agreed that WoO rules do not prevail at the National's, it would be safe to assume that something as obscure as the rule might be....at the very least we know the flagman for the Knoxville Nationals has more than a few WoO show under his belt so he knows how they are SUPPOSED to do things. The person telling me this knows the WoO rules...there is no doubt about that, even though it kind of differs from what Hawker posted.

It was explained to me that "The yellow is not supposed to come out until the wheels stop turning". I do not know if this is a written rule or obscure enough that is just the "way things are done". He also explained a little about "we don't have transponders every 20 feet, so this eliminates the judgement call as much as possible" when talking about the rule of putting the cars back "where they would have been if the yellow didn't come out". Keep in mind that this was told to me in August of 2006, things might have changed since then, esp after the Knoxville Nat's incident.

Personally, I don't like that rule. I think the flagman should react on instinct and I think someone's instinct is that when a car is facing the wrong way on the racetrack, there is a problem and the yellow should come out for the guy that got crossed up. So the Danny and Donny both saved the car and never stopped....Congratulations, you screwed up and for whatever reason never wrecked....now take your place at the rear of the pack and let's resume the show.

To anyone who thinks Doug, Roger or any flagman or official makes a call like that after taking in consideration all of the possible ramifications for any one driver in particular.....BULLCRAP! Nobody thinks that fast, these guys make decisions so fast that it isn't possible. They have to make those instant decisions, if they didn't everyone would be on here complaining about the big wreck instead of second guessing what the flagman did to try and make for the safest show possible.

i agree with most of what you are saying and thank roger for his interaction. i am not upset just because it happened to donny, and i would have been glad if haud would have been so lucky. but i still don't like the rule. how often do you see this happen and the big dogs benifit and the little dogs don't get the same call. when kinser or donny or one of the top local guys spin at ANY track the yellow usually comes out in a flash. they throw it so fast it is rediculous. when the little guy spins most of the time the flag is slower to come out. it just is because the focus is on the fast guys. even if the flagman is not biased the focus is on the fast guys. when only one car is involved and the yellow comes out it should be yellow and that is it. when more than one car is involved the cars that keep going and blend in and cross the line should get the spot they crossed the line in. really can't remember when a nobody spun and kept going and brought out a yellow and then got an inadvertent yellow. if you think that the top teams don't get special treatment you are wrong. i have been with top teams and you can not believe the crap we got away with and the things we did to get our way.and when you are on top and make friends with the officials and they like you it gets you things that others do not. heck even if you have the right friends and are not so big of a dog it can help. listen to what roger said. HE threw the flag. HE hit the lights. HE reacted to what HE thought was a situation that called for a yellow. just like any other flagman would. but the other officials called it back. what was inadvertent about that? inadvertent is when you do something you don't mean to. if you hit the yellow or red light accidently that is inadvertent. if you loose your grip on the yellow flag and wave it all over the place trying to grab it that is inadvertent. but when you do something on purpose it is NOT inadvertent. the flagman did what he thought best and the officials took over from there. i say again how often has an also ran driver ever got the same call.

i have one more thing to add. did t-mac not take the original green flag or am i mistaken. if i am correct where was the alternate? i know with most clubs if you don't take the original green you can not enter the race after the original green. i did not see that in the woo rules though so i don't know just how it works with them.