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Well considering they only ran against the Posse big guns two times last week (both Grove nights) not sure where you get 1 for 3 lol. Lernerville is not and never has been considered a posse track and I'm pretty sure no posse were there except maybe DD.  1 for 2 it is, lol. And that one was an ass whooping by the 69k. A team which I'm tired of seeing win, but an ass whooping, nonetheless.

'Bout a 9 on the ole tension scale Rube'   (The Burbs)

Good teams.  Good drivers.  If you live in that region, you should enjoy it.  All ya' all don't have to constantly defend them though.  Yes, I can see the record books.  Yes, I can plainly see when the WoO crosses into PA they face tough cars defending tracks they know very well.  Yes, we all know the passion there.  Yes, we all---including you---know when they venture away from PA we don't see much of them in the headlines.  Not my opinion.  "CHECK THE RECORD BOOKS!  NO WHERE ELSE IN THE COUNTRY"------in your words.  Nothing to be ashamed of or offended by.  It's just fact.  Just enjoy the show at home.  I don't have sprint car racing within hours of me.  I have no home turf to defend.  

And Johnny Utah----sorry, we have to debate it again.  Not the 4th time either----about 100th now. 

How come you only see the "ass whoopings" when they only go one way? You do know that over the forty years of WoO competition the "ass whoopings" are very heavily in favor of the Outlaws, don't you? And who's to blame when all the best don't show up against the Outlaws when they are in PA? 

Really??? Well I've used "ass whooping" many a time. Like the last time my one and only favorite driver and longtime Outlaw, Sammy Swindell, won the National Open. So nice argument but I hardly skew anything toward the posse since I have no posse driver as my fav and own about 40 years of Sammy shirts. Ya know, just sayin, lol.  So in case you didn't get it.........Your argument for me being pro posse by only saying that when they win, well, it's just another in a long line of clueless blabbering by you. But thanks, you gave me a laugh.

This may surprise many.....in my opinion Lance and the 69k team would have a chance of winning at the Nationals. Not a betting favorite, for sure, but in reality there are only a few real betting favorites anyhow. It doesn't take a dominating week to achieve a win.  That has been proven several times, and twice in recent years. Being in position at the end of the fifty laps is of course the key. I'm aware you all know that. In that respect, Dewease is, more often than not, very capable of winning in the last ten laps or less when his car is right. So that's not a hurdle. Between Lance, Donnie and Davey Sr., they have the capability of hitting the setup. That could be a hurdle, but being there for the Capatini Classic would help with that. So that leaves just one key to the puzzle of winning.....their engines. Davey has to build an engine suited for Knoxville. His standard Williams Grove engine package won't get it done. And just re-gearing the rear end won't be enough. The torque needed at Williams Grove to carry a sprint car down those long straights is much different than the torque required to carry a sprinter through the corners at Knoxville AND the shorter straights ( for those who might not know, torque gets you going, horsepower keeps you going). At Williams grove you can't give up any speed down the straights, and at Knoxville you cant give up any speed in the corners. You can sacrifice some speed in the straights at Knoxville. To me the engine seems to be the biggest hurdle.

So, let's say the 69k hits the mark in all three areas, and wins the Knoxville Nationals. How do all the fans react? Easy.......the fans would go nuts with excitement. It doesn't matter that Lance is Posse. The Knoxville Nationals is a gathering of the best fans from everywhere sprint cars are raced. And even some areas where they aren't.  Where do I fit in in all of that? Not that it matters but I'd be cheering right along with everybody else. How can any fan not cheer louder for any local regardless of where that local races that pulls off a Nationals win?  AND.....I'd rather be reading posts from those few fans that would be (obnoxiously) bragging it up here on Hoseheads, than reading the negative I told you so posts from the few fans that would rather see a poor outing. A poor outing is the last thing I would want to see. Really!

I don't think Dewease would have much of a chance of winning the Nationals (I think this board's obsession with what that team does is stupid).

But so many of your posts when you try to explain Pennsylvania racing to people that live there seem really uninformed. The team's Williams Grove engine wouldn't cut it at Knoxville? You do know that the team is just as dominant at Port Royal, if not moreso, right? Port is a hammer down momentum track just like Knoxville. The first year Dewease went to the Nationals (with Walt Dyer), Dewease commented in several different interviews that Knoxville reminded him of Port Royal.

I don't even think the team would have much of a chance at winning, but you don't know what you are talking about most of the time when it comes to other areas.

From a thousand miles away, you are an expert on a team's engine program?

I don't think Dewease would have much of a chance of winning the Nationals (I think this board's obsession with what that team does is stupid).

But so many of your posts when you try to explain Pennsylvania racing to people that live there seem really uninformed. The team's Williams Grove engine wouldn't cut it at Knoxville? You do know that the team is just as dominant at Port Royal, if not moreso, right? Port is a hammer down momentum track just like Knoxville. The first year Dewease went to the Nationals (with Walt Dyer), Dewease commented in several different interviews that Knoxville reminded him of Port Royal.

I don't even think the team would have much of a chance at winning, but you don't know what you are talking about most of the time when it comes to other areas.

From a thousand miles away, you are an expert on a team's engine program?

This may surprise many.....in my opinion Lance and the 69k team would have a chance of winning at the Nationals. Not a betting favorite, for sure, but in reality there are only a few real betting favorites anyhow. It doesn't take a dominating week to achieve a win.  That has been proven several times, and twice in recent years. Being in position at the end of the fifty laps is of course the key. I'm aware you all know that. In that respect, Dewease is, more often than not, very capable of winning in the last ten laps or less when his car is right. So that's not a hurdle. Between Lance, Donnie and Davey Sr., they have the capability of hitting the setup. That could be a hurdle, but being there for the Capatini Classic would help with that. So that leaves just one key to the puzzle of winning.....their engines. Davey has to build an engine suited for Knoxville. His standard Williams Grove engine package won't get it done. And just re-gearing the rear end won't be enough. The torque needed at Williams Grove to carry a sprint car down those long straights is much different than the torque required to carry a sprinter through the corners at Knoxville AND the shorter straights ( for those who might not know, torque gets you going, horsepower keeps you going). At Williams grove you can't give up any speed down the straights, and at Knoxville you cant give up any speed in the corners. You can sacrifice some speed in the straights at Knoxville. To me the engine seems to be the biggest hurdle.

So, let's say the 69k hits the mark in all three areas, and wins the Knoxville Nationals. How do all the fans react? Easy.......the fans would go nuts with excitement. It doesn't matter that Lance is Posse. The Knoxville Nationals is a gathering of the best fans from everywhere sprint cars are raced. And even some areas where they aren't.  Where do I fit in in all of that? Not that it matters but I'd be cheering right along with everybody else. How can any fan not cheer louder for any local regardless of where that local races that pulls off a Nationals win?  AND.....I'd rather be reading posts from those few fans that would be (obnoxiously) bragging it up here on Hoseheads, than reading the negative I told you so posts from the few fans that would rather see a poor outing. A poor outing is the last thing I would want to see. Really!

After the Dream Team wins their third straight Tuscarora 50 (which I predict they will ) they should emeditely start seiing their goal on the 2019 Knoxville Nationals.

With nine months to plan and prepare they could certainly show up with a car to contend and Lance has already had some success at Knoxville and that would be the ultimate way to cap off his career.

You should check the record books. Outlaws have an overehelming lead in the rivalry. Winning at about a 70% clip in PA over the past forty years if I remember right. And that's not bad compared to other areas, I woud agree with that.

Don't know if it's 70%, but I would agree they have more wins. We were winning in the beginning about 100% of the time. They changed the motor rules. No Big Blocks. Posse went to small motors for a time and only ran WoO 410's at Outlaw shows, which was a big disadvantage. The Posse also went to 406ci cast iron block for a time. Again, putting a WoO 410 in for Outlaw shows. Big disadvantage. The Oulaws have taken many of or top mechanics, cars and drivers. Just to give the other side of the story. 

Davey won the Knoxville Nationals before. He knows what it takes. I'm sure he doesn't need anyones advice on a message board on how to do it. LMAO

It’s about 65-35 at this point with the Outlaws with the advantage. Since 2009, im pretty sure the Posse have the advantage. 

Theres been over 200 Outlaw races at the Grove and the most amazing stat is that 8 drivers (Steve, Schatz, Mark, Sammy, Lance, Rahmer, Krietz and Hodnett) have won 129 of them. 

After the Dream Team wins their third straight Tuscarora 50 (which I predict they will ) they should emeditely start seiing their goal on the 2019 Knoxville Nationals.

With nine months to plan and prepare they could certainly show up with a car to contend and Lance has already had some success at Knoxville and that would be the ultimate way to cap off his career.

It’s about 65-35 at this point with the Outlaws with the advantage. Since 2009, im pretty sure the Posse have the advantage. 

Theres been over 200 Outlaw races at the Grove and the most amazing stat is that 8 drivers (Steve, Schatz, Mark, Sammy, Lance, Rahmer, Krietz and Hodnett) have won 129 of them. 

Since 2009 (why 2009?) I count Posse 26, invaders 21 at the grove.