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Great point.  I'm only 44.   I did not see my first World of Outlaws race in person until 2002.  (watched on TNN or TNT or whatever channel they were on at that time)   And I have seen all but 3 or 4 on the list in person as well.  (Can't remember if I saw Andy Hillenburg or not) 

That is a great point.  

As far as the updated list goes, probably the right thing to do.

I agree. I am 35 and did attend Knoxville/Husets as well as many tracks across the county. I have seen every driver on this list multiple times. I can't say that about anything else. Kind of cool. :-)

Wanted to take a moment to thank Kevin Eckert for his enormous contribution to the project.  His historical stats/records were, in many cases, the only ones available. 

From what I have seen I think everyone in the sprint world is happy with the change. Huge thanks to all involved.

Just a thought.........Taking into account Steve Kinser ran USA and missed a full season with the WoO, and he missed about half the year while in NASCAR, I estimate that Steve probably participated in roughly 3250 WoO events during his career. Depending on how accurate that number is, his 690 total WoO Features would mean he won 21% of the Features he raced in covering his 35 years of WoO participation. Anybody know how many WoO shows he actually competed in?

Johnny,

Do you have any record of a tie for first place?  In like 1980 or 1981? 

according to the website they have credited 3234 WoO featires including 580 prelims. Steve probably competed in 3000 of them maybe a bit less. That’s an even more impressive 23% win rate.

What’s even more ridiculous is that the top 5 on the list have won 52 percent of all the races. The top 9 have won almost 65 percent.

Also, given his 84 WoO wins, how is Stevie Smith not in the hall of fame yet?

As Wolfgang said in his book, there wasn't any competition for Kinser, Swindell and himself in the 80s.   Trostle said the same thing in his book.  

Stevie Smith with 84 wins and not yet voted into the National Hall of Fame is a Shame.  Either change the voters or change the rules for who is eligible.    

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Stevie announced his retirement in February of 2017 at age 50. It looks like he meets all the requirements to be considered as of January 1st, 2018. He may or may not make it in his first year. That's a pretty select group.

Now the All Stars can go back and pick up the All Star winners from 1970 and 1973.

Bobby Davis Jr. and Sammy Swindell were credited as "co-winners" at Tri State Speedway in Haubstadt IN on May 15 1988.  I was told it involved the A-main going one lap too many, and one driver led at the scheduled conclusion and another on the next lap when the checkered actually waved.  I'll see if I can come up with more information on that one. . .

Johnny,  it was 1980 or 1981 at Butler Motor Speedway. Brad Doty was leading and had a flat tire and there was confusion under yellow.  Steve lead the last couple laps but they determined Sammy should have been the leader so they were co winners. 

I think it's pretty cool that they did this.

I checked all results from Butler from 1978 on, and no listing of a tie or co-winners.

Stevie will be 52 on May 26, 2018. He's been eligible for two years (last year and this year).  Many have written about how Stevie not being inducted at least per the most recent vote is a crock.  Eric Arnold who writes for Flat Out magazine especially mentioned this snub in his last column (April 2018 issue).  He doesn't think the voters are doing their job - and that's putting it mildly.

He called Stevie the best driver to never win the Knoxville Nationals, but also mentioned that he would have won it in 1993 (Hamilton 77) if not for mother nature.

Sorry, I was off on the eligible part......but as mentioned it's a select group that get in on their first year of eligibility. I don't think he's being snubbed, but I can see where the PA folks might think that. As for the '93 Nationals......woulda-coulda-shoulda.......no doubt Stevie was in position, but the trophy comes at the checkered flag. It was a hell of a race between the two of them and before the rain fell it looked like Stevie had the upper hand. But...... Steve Kinser was never to be counted out, rain stoppage or not.

I say count all WoO preliminary feature wins.  They were WoO sanctioned races with very tough fields of cars.  There must be only a few races that could be called 'split fields' anyway.  That would happen only at events that were more than two days long.  A win at the Knoxville Nationals on a Wed or Thurs isn't good enough?  Sheesh.  There is only a handful of WoO events that are tougher to win at, split field or not, say Sat. nite at Knoxville, and maybe some in Pennsylvania. The Gold Cup from '79 thru the early '80 s were another.

I agree the rest of the prelim nights should count, but how about adding just a few more?  Re-think this a bit please.

The Nationals isn't a sanctioned WoO event.

Wrong Blazer.  They have been sanctioned (again) for the past few years.  

Since when? Just asking. Can't find the info stating that at all.