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Posted By: kossuth on August 22 2017 at 11:29:22 AM
Let's make sure we are clear here. There isn't anything Ford about that motor. That's a LS motor. While it has an exhaust port spacing similar to a 5.0 Ford that's where the similarity completely ends. Nothing is like a SBC about that motor either than the lifter bore size and the cylinder bore spacings. LS motors were a completely new animal when they came out in 1997.
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Yep, agreed. That's why above I posted the Facebook page of the engine builder and noted it's an LS engine.
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This Ford engine was just Ford Motor Company spending a ton of money building an engine from scratch to win dirt late model races. Will be the same thing as the sprint car engine whenever it arrives at Tony Stewart's shop. Has nothing to do with a Ford motor that ever was or will be available in a Ford car or truck. Completely new motor designs. It's like in the 90s when Chevrolet won all those Indy 500 races, actually Chevy and Oldsomobile won almost every Indy 500 from 1990 to 2002. It was a joke to call it a Chevy or Olds engine other than Chevy and Olds paid the money to someone, Ilmor I believe built them, and might be the builder of today's winning Chevy Indy racing V-6. Chevrolet just issued the payment for them. Ford is doing the same thing in late model racing and eventually in Sprint car racing. PS Schatz's # 15 sprint car should be an embarrassment to Ford what with the giant Ford decals on the wings and on the hood. And to call it the Artic Cat/Ford Performance # 15 all during this racing season, well that's a joke when it has had the same Shaver Chevy powerplant this year as it always has had. Ignorant people see those Ford decals and there are a alot of them, they obviously believe it has a Ford powerplant. Google what a sprint car engine is and you'll see the word Chevrolet thru out the article, sure it has stronger parts but you don't need a $50,000, 900 HP engine in your old Impala or Camaro or Chevelle. Cheaper parts were used as the cars were not race cars. Whatever the internal parts of a stock 327 or 350 came with from the factory with was all that was needed to run for 75 to 100,000 miles on the highway.
The engine of choice during the past 50 years in sprint car racing is and has been the Chevy small block. Sprint car builder Bob Trostle in his book says that from the mid 60s to the mid 90s when he retired (with his cars winning 500 races), that when he needed a new engine, he'd just go to the local Chevy dealer and pick up a new stock 327 or a new stock 350.Then in later years he added stronger engine parts, a roller cam, Brodix heads, TRW or Carrillo rods and pistons and rings, Iskenderian cams, stronger cranks, and he did some bore and stroke work. Me being a big drag racing fans I know that 75% of all cars performing and winning at any drag race are GM powerplants. And attending races at any dirt track in the country, 95% of all modifieds, sprint cars, street stocks, late models, have GM based powerplants.
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The 15 with Ford stickers is a joke for sure. You are incorrect on the Ford late model stuff though. The Ford powered factory Rocket cars winning almost all the races and leading points in both the WoO and Lucas series don't run the all new "from scratch" Ford engine. Bloomquist runs the new style but the Rocket cars run the old D3 very similar to stuff from the 80's and not much different from a Boss 302 first started in 1969.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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August 22, 2017 at
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How do you know the engine supposedly coming for TSR will be totally unlike an old Windsor? Its more similar to Casper the friendly Ghost is my guess but I've heard the WoO is making them keep it very similar to the Windsor style RoushYates had approved and ran several years ago with JJ. Its pretty tricky to know so much about something that probably doesn't exist yet.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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August 22, 2017 at
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Posted By: kossuth on August 22 2017 at 11:29:22 AM
Let's make sure we are clear here. There isn't anything Ford about that motor. That's a LS motor. While it has an exhaust port spacing similar to a 5.0 Ford that's where the similarity completely ends. Nothing is like a SBC about that motor either than the lifter bore size and the cylinder bore spacings. LS motors were a completely new animal when they came out in 1997.
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It looks exactly like a RoushYates 410 Ford.
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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August 22, 2017 at
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Thanks. Has it been raced and who drives it? I doubt if WoO would allow it?
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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August 22, 2017 at
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Posted By: minthess on August 22 2017 at 01:27:46 PM
It looks exactly like a RoushYates 410 Ford.
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Trust me, it's not.... If you look through the Facebook album the other user posted you can tell for sure it's a different animal.
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August 22, 2017 at
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Posted By: minthess on August 22 2017 at 01:27:46 PM
It looks exactly like a RoushYates 410 Ford.
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the outlaw engine builders are not interested in 1997 technology...it will remain banned...just like fans who were born 1997 and later...not interested in changing with the times.
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August 22, 2017 at
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No engine rules needed with late models.
Non needed with sprint cars...SOD rules.
They don't even know how to spell sprint car
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Nascar question.Sorry - don't kick me out please.
Do the Toyota Cars have some engine that resembles a 5.7 V8 out of the Tundra?
Do the Ford engines have V8s that resemble a small block truc engine.
I know they are all race parts that would never be on a car lot but are they somewhat original in appearance or just aluminum racing engines with a Toyota valve cover?
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Posted By: RodinCanada on August 23 2017 at 01:09:55 AM
Nascar question.Sorry - don't kick me out please.
Do the Toyota Cars have some engine that resembles a 5.7 V8 out of the Tundra?
Do the Ford engines have V8s that resemble a small block truc engine.
I know they are all race parts that would never be on a car lot but are they somewhat original in appearance or just aluminum racing engines with a Toyota valve cover?
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Fair question but the days where the race engine in some ways having its roots in a production engine at least as far as nascar goes went out in the mid to late 90s when the SBC2 stuff was still prevalent. The current R07 engines Chevy uses are straight up designed from the onset as race engines and every manufacturer has pretty much followed suit.
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August 23, 2017 at
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yea, most racing engines have a sticker on them today. do they resemble what in your vehicle you drive today. not even close. today's nascar, indy, slm, and sprint car motors for the most part are nothing more than a motor with a decal on it. what's chevy in a hendrick racing motor ? not the heads, they start out as a block of alum in a hendrick mill and are machined to there specs. the blocks are the same. lifter bore, cam bearing heights, nothing is what you can go buy at your gm performance counter. the same goes with ford. this new sprint car motor that is going to have the ford label on it is going to come right down that same path. that ford sticker has been on the 15 car all year. IF there getting a new powerplant i'm sure it will go thru testing and then will see were it goes. remember you can go to builders all across this country and have a 410 motor built, supposedly a chevy, once this ford comes out. how many of those same builders will have access to parts to supply there customers if they want one ?
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August 23, 2017 at
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The LS series engines are the engines of the future in local racing from hobby stocks up to sprints and late models. There are millions of them floating around. Aftermarket parts are all over the place. Hobby stocks could run a stock 5.3 you can pick up for $500 and make more power than alot of the spendy motors they have now with a carb set up. All Pro makes an LS series sprint head and Kinsler makes an injection for them now as seen in that video. People just dont like change I think is what hinders progression.
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Posted By: kossuth on August 22 2017 at 01:42:26 PM
Trust me, it's not.... If you look through the Facebook album the other user posted you can tell for sure it's a different animal.
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I'm not doubting you and I only briefly watched the video but didn't I see a distributor at the front of the engine?
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Posted By: madsen on August 22 2017 at 12:02:56 PM
This Ford engine was just Ford Motor Company spending a ton of money building an engine from scratch to win dirt late model races. Will be the same thing as the sprint car engine whenever it arrives at Tony Stewart's shop. Has nothing to do with a Ford motor that ever was or will be available in a Ford car or truck. Completely new motor designs. It's like in the 90s when Chevrolet won all those Indy 500 races, actually Chevy and Oldsomobile won almost every Indy 500 from 1990 to 2002. It was a joke to call it a Chevy or Olds engine other than Chevy and Olds paid the money to someone, Ilmor I believe built them, and might be the builder of today's winning Chevy Indy racing V-6. Chevrolet just issued the payment for them. Ford is doing the same thing in late model racing and eventually in Sprint car racing. PS Schatz's # 15 sprint car should be an embarrassment to Ford what with the giant Ford decals on the wings and on the hood. And to call it the Artic Cat/Ford Performance # 15 all during this racing season, well that's a joke when it has had the same Shaver Chevy powerplant this year as it always has had. Ignorant people see those Ford decals and there are a alot of them, they obviously believe it has a Ford powerplant. Google what a sprint car engine is and you'll see the word Chevrolet thru out the article, sure it has stronger parts but you don't need a $50,000, 900 HP engine in your old Impala or Camaro or Chevelle. Cheaper parts were used as the cars were not race cars. Whatever the internal parts of a stock 327 or 350 came with from the factory with was all that was needed to run for 75 to 100,000 miles on the highway.
The engine of choice during the past 50 years in sprint car racing is and has been the Chevy small block. Sprint car builder Bob Trostle in his book says that from the mid 60s to the mid 90s when he retired (with his cars winning 500 races), that when he needed a new engine, he'd just go to the local Chevy dealer and pick up a new stock 327 or a new stock 350.Then in later years he added stronger engine parts, a roller cam, Brodix heads, TRW or Carrillo rods and pistons and rings, Iskenderian cams, stronger cranks, and he did some bore and stroke work. Me being a big drag racing fans I know that 75% of all cars performing and winning at any drag race are GM powerplants. And attending races at any dirt track in the country, 95% of all modifieds, sprint cars, street stocks, late models, have GM based powerplants.
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You are correct that the vast majority of race cars today use the sbc or some evolution of it....but when you get to the upper tier classes such as 410 sprints, other than a bolt pattern or 2 there is very little connection to what was unveiled in 1955. Heck if you wanna go a bit further every car/race car running is an evolution of the model T ford
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Or even the horse drawn buggy with its low horse power. Lol.
Is the 410 and 360 a reference to maximum displacement?
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Posted By: RodinCanada on August 23 2017 at 08:48:47 AM
Or even the horse drawn buggy with its low horse power. Lol.
Is the 410 and 360 a reference to maximum displacement?
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correct lots of other differences as well
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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Posted By: motorhead748 on August 23 2017 at 08:14:34 AM
I'm not doubting you and I only briefly watched the video but didn't I see a distributor at the front of the engine?
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They make a cam drive for the LS series to run a distributor/mag.
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Posted By: Schreurs12 on August 23 2017 at 09:37:54 AM
They make a cam drive for the LS series to run a distributor/mag.
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I was t aware of that but it would've been my guess. TY
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Posted By: cubicdollars on August 22 2017 at 05:27:12 PM
No engine rules needed with late models.
Non needed with sprint cars...SOD rules.
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No engine rules needed? Nice. You've come a long way:)
Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?
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