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glhayden
July 27, 2018 at 07:13:04 PM
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 Ransomville Speedway now under new ownership | Local News | niagara-gazette.comRansomville Speedway WoO- another old track with outdated track safety. Stacked concrete blocks (with what appears to be a "stair step" on the back straight) and a "rickety" old cyclone fence (front straight) with a narrow tire in front of a pole in the infield. But I guess this is dirt track racing and that's the way it is...until we lose another driver at one of these places. NOTE- sorry for the "taxicabs", but it was the best pic of the wall that I could find.  



glhayden
July 29, 2018 at 06:32:15 PM
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When will safety catch up with the high speeds? Answer: It won't. Here's one of the fastest tracks on the WoO circuit and no catch fence (save for in front of the granstands), and concrete road barriers in portions of the inside of the track (with a couple of tires in front of them...that do not appear to be stacked as high as the barrier is tall). It's dirt track racing "and that's just the way it is". A driver got outside of the track on Friday at Ransomville. Let's hope that does not happen tonight at this track. 



glhayden
August 03, 2018 at 06:27:04 PM
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I-55 RacewayPevely I-55 Raceway

Thankfully we have a track the next two nights with a catch fence, angled in at the top, directly on top of a wall...around the entire race track. Owned by a racer; Kenny Shrader.



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August 11, 2018 at 03:08:51 AM
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This message was edited on August 11, 2018 at 03:54:54 AM by slot car racer
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Posted By: glhayden on August 03 2018 at 06:27:04 PM

I-55 RacewayPevely I-55 Raceway

Thankfully we have a track the next two nights with a catch fence, angled in at the top, directly on top of a wall...around the entire race track. Owned by a racer; Kenny Shrader.



Good observation. We all probably agree there will always be room for improvement to racetracks and race cars. What if sprint cars were made of same size but thicker wall tubing than what is currently used today. I believe this would make roll cages ECT. stronger (safer) without changing the design much howevern It might make some race cars a bit out dated. It probably would not add much weight but may be worth it to save a few drivers. Someone may want to try the concept out and see if it catches on. Patrs breaking away like at Indy is a whole different situation for race cars going over 200 MPH and that's like comparing apples to oranges. I believe for a sprint car  it is probably better (race drivers might agree) if the car stays relatively intact. I know someone mentioned parts like wheels and stuff being designed to break away while absorbing impact forces but that is related to 200 MPH on pavement not 100 MPH on dirt. Anyone agree on this?



kossuth
August 11, 2018 at 10:02:37 AM
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Posted By: slot car racer on August 11 2018 at 03:08:51 AM

Good observation. We all probably agree there will always be room for improvement to racetracks and race cars. What if sprint cars were made of same size but thicker wall tubing than what is currently used today. I believe this would make roll cages ECT. stronger (safer) without changing the design much howevern It might make some race cars a bit out dated. It probably would not add much weight but may be worth it to save a few drivers. Someone may want to try the concept out and see if it catches on. Patrs breaking away like at Indy is a whole different situation for race cars going over 200 MPH and that's like comparing apples to oranges. I believe for a sprint car  it is probably better (race drivers might agree) if the car stays relatively intact. I know someone mentioned parts like wheels and stuff being designed to break away while absorbing impact forces but that is related to 200 MPH on pavement not 100 MPH on dirt. Anyone agree on this?



Been done by I believe David Gravel earlier this year.  They added some additional tubes and bracing to help with the roll she on the car. What they found is they were uncompetitive. The chassis didn’t work with the track the same as it did before. The chassis itself is also a suspension component as nonsensical as that sounds. They ended up going back to the way things were.

If you mix the older and newer chassis I fear the older chassis as you are suggesting would be at a disadvantage. Downright forcing all teams to scrap their current cars over say the 2018 offseason will put a lot of local teams out of 410 racing if not racing entirely.  This would hurt the WOO car counts as well obviously being they rely on the local racers to help fill out their fields.

Racing is dangerous, let’s not kid ourselves about this.  These guys and gals that drive these things are driving the apex racecar on dirt if not in all oval track racing. Nothing else has a higher HP to weight ratio, and these guys are doing this on dirt.  Things should be done but we have to be measured and calculated about how it’s gone about. Because if we don’t we risk loosing what we have car count and track wise. 



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August 11, 2018 at 09:07:09 PM
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Been done by I believe David Gravel earlier this year.  They added some additional tubes and bracing to help with the roll she on the car. What they found is they were uncompetitive. The chassis didn’t work with the track the same as it did before. The chassis itself is also a suspension component as nonsensical as that sounds. They ended up going back to the way things were.

If you mix the older and newer chassis I fear the older chassis as you are suggesting would be at a disadvantage. Downright forcing all teams to scrap their current cars over say the 2018 offseason will put a lot of local teams out of 410 racing if not racing entirely.  This would hurt the WOO car counts as well obviously being they rely on the local racers to help fill out their fields.

Racing is dangerous, let’s not kid ourselves about this.  These guys and gals that drive these things are driving the apex racecar on dirt if not in all oval track racing. Nothing else has a higher HP to weight ratio, and these guys are doing this on dirt.  Things should be done but we have to be measured and calculated about how it’s gone about. Because if we don’t we risk loosing what we have car count and track wise. 



Thanks brother. I agree with most of your post. But, we have all seen older race cars compete sucssefully with newer race cars as long as they have the right parts bolted on. I doubt if anything will make a lot of race cars obsolete suddenly. Car counts are very important as we know but safety must keep up somehow with increased speeds. At some point insurance for racetracks may become a big issue otherwise. A lot of people don't know at one time auto racing in the USA was more popular than the 3 major stick and ball sports combined. Making racing great is a part of making America great again. We can all be proud of this!



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September 03, 2018 at 03:06:20 AM
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Posted By: glhayden on July 27 2018 at 07:13:04 PM

 Ransomville Speedway now under new ownership | Local News | niagara-gazette.comRansomville Speedway WoO- another old track with outdated track safety. Stacked concrete blocks (with what appears to be a "stair step" on the back straight) and a "rickety" old cyclone fence (front straight) with a narrow tire in front of a pole in the infield. But I guess this is dirt track racing and that's the way it is...until we lose another driver at one of these places. NOTE- sorry for the "taxicabs", but it was the best pic of the wall that I could find.  



Seems like sprint cars have done away with a rule NARC (N. CA) used to have, that the drivers head had to be 6 inches below the top of the roll cage. Roll cage padding has also become antiquated. Perhaps it's a good time to review this safety issue. WoO has a new update on additional roll cage side tubes on their web site. Thank you WoO, good job. Be safe everyone...



glhayden
September 05, 2018 at 08:17:58 PM
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Super sport heat race #1 on 8/31/2014 at Willamette speedway - YouTubeWilliamette Speedway in Lebanon, Oregon (Wed. night, Sept. 5th). Good to see a catch fence ALL THE WAY AROUND THE ENTIRE SPEEDWAY. (My apologies for the taxi cabs in the picture) 





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