|
|
|
|
|
Topic: Winning a qualifying night and not locking into Saturday's A?
|
Email this topic to a friend |
Subscribe to this Topic
| Report this Topic to Moderator
|
|
Page 6 of 6 of 107 replies
|
|
|
|
|
August 15, 2018 at
12:51:36 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
07/31/2007
|
|
Posts:
|
230
|
|
|
This message was edited on
August 15, 2018 at
12:56:14 PM by racefanigan
Reply to:
Posted By: blazer00 on August 12 2018 at 09:09:33 PM
Good to know. Then I agree, the B Main qualifiers from Saturday night racing for the 17th-20th spots does make more sense. Non qulaifiers From Hard Knox filling last four spots would be appropriate.
|
The only thing that I do not agree with would be this. We run 4th on friday night this year to lock us into the A, Sheldon run 5th and Veal (I believe) was 6th, which regulated them back to running in the B. Since we beat Sheldon on friday night to lock ourselves in the A on Saturday, and he didn't, then he goes out and runs 4th in the B saturday, I do not believe he should start farther up than us in the A on Saturday. Also, I am not saying this because it was us, I feel that this goes for everyone. (Hypothetically, I know this isn't how it happened, but an example.)
Now, with that said, I feel like they should still give the top 10 in the B the opportunity to re run Friday, rather than forcing them to stay where they were at. That way if they choose to stay, that is their choice, and if they choose to run, that is their choice.
|
|
|
|
|
August 15, 2018 at
01:09:51 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
08/01/2013
|
|
Posts:
|
431
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: Sonicman1 on August 15 2018 at 10:07:52 AM
Donny will never be in a C though. That is why I said it. If he had a horrible night on Wed or Thurs I would 100% expect him to come take down Friday night and start in the A. I was there when he won the B and the A....and I wasnt at all surprised. I'm just saying nobody is going to go all Wolfie anymore and win the D C B. Or the E D C B. C and B maybe. D and C maybe. B and A maybe. But not some incredible run through three or more.
|
It would take an awful lot of bad luck for Donny to be in the C. I didn't look at it from that perspective, just whether or not someone could do it. You are probably right.
|
|
|
|
|
August 15, 2018 at
04:04:58 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
09/14/2010
|
|
Posts:
|
7604
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: racefanigan on August 15 2018 at 12:51:36 PM
The only thing that I do not agree with would be this. We run 4th on friday night this year to lock us into the A, Sheldon run 5th and Veal (I believe) was 6th, which regulated them back to running in the B. Since we beat Sheldon on friday night to lock ourselves in the A on Saturday, and he didn't, then he goes out and runs 4th in the B saturday, I do not believe he should start farther up than us in the A on Saturday. Also, I am not saying this because it was us, I feel that this goes for everyone. (Hypothetically, I know this isn't how it happened, but an example.)
Now, with that said, I feel like they should still give the top 10 in the B the opportunity to re run Friday, rather than forcing them to stay where they were at. That way if they choose to stay, that is their choice, and if they choose to run, that is their choice.
|
I think the guys who make the B from Friday start behind guys who made it on Wed. or Thurs. That would be 11th or worse, right? To qualify from that far back takes some doing.... but I see your point
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
August 15, 2018 at
04:26:04 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
06/10/2015
|
|
Posts:
|
2420
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: racefanigan on August 15 2018 at 12:51:36 PM
The only thing that I do not agree with would be this. We run 4th on friday night this year to lock us into the A, Sheldon run 5th and Veal (I believe) was 6th, which regulated them back to running in the B. Since we beat Sheldon on friday night to lock ourselves in the A on Saturday, and he didn't, then he goes out and runs 4th in the B saturday, I do not believe he should start farther up than us in the A on Saturday. Also, I am not saying this because it was us, I feel that this goes for everyone. (Hypothetically, I know this isn't how it happened, but an example.)
Now, with that said, I feel like they should still give the top 10 in the B the opportunity to re run Friday, rather than forcing them to stay where they were at. That way if they choose to stay, that is their choice, and if they choose to run, that is their choice.
|
I absolutely see your point, also. And the way things currently are is how the Knoxville Officials see it, so it's hard not to agree with you. That's why, even though no one but Lasoski ever tried it, I liked it when the drivers that were qualified for the B from the prelim nights had the option to race Friday night for one of those four spots.
|
|
|
|
|
August 17, 2018 at
10:14:07 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
07/31/2007
|
|
Posts:
|
230
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: revjimk on August 15 2018 at 04:04:58 PM
I think the guys who make the B from Friday start behind guys who made it on Wed. or Thurs. That would be 11th or worse, right? To qualify from that far back takes some doing.... but I see your point
|
Yes, I totally agree, and I see the point of the people who had no choice but to take their spot in the B. I agree with Gravel when he feels that they should have started ahead of the 4 Friday transfers. Granted the scenario that I outlined wasn't what happened, but it could have, and I feel that if we beat them on Friday finishing 4th, say they went out and won the B and end up starting 8 positions ahead of us, that isn't right to me.
The way it is set, they might as well say "Hey, you didn't have the choice to race last night, so if you transfer you go ahead of the top 4 from last night, and if driver B transfers, because you finished 5th last night you start behind them." The way it sits now, it is going to be wrong one way, but be wrong the other way as well.
IMO, the only true way to have a fair shake, is to allow everyone in the B the chance to re race on friday. If they decline, ok, you can start on the pole of the B, but if you transfer, the people who chose to race last night and transferred will be ahead of you. The only problem there is it would be confusing to figure out the b line ups if 4 race and 6 dont, etc, but that isn't up to me to figure out, that is up to people who know what they're doing, lol.
|
|
|
|
|
August 17, 2018 at
10:58:43 AM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
06/10/2015
|
|
Posts:
|
2420
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: racefanigan on August 17 2018 at 10:14:07 AM
Yes, I totally agree, and I see the point of the people who had no choice but to take their spot in the B. I agree with Gravel when he feels that they should have started ahead of the 4 Friday transfers. Granted the scenario that I outlined wasn't what happened, but it could have, and I feel that if we beat them on Friday finishing 4th, say they went out and won the B and end up starting 8 positions ahead of us, that isn't right to me.
The way it is set, they might as well say "Hey, you didn't have the choice to race last night, so if you transfer you go ahead of the top 4 from last night, and if driver B transfers, because you finished 5th last night you start behind them." The way it sits now, it is going to be wrong one way, but be wrong the other way as well.
IMO, the only true way to have a fair shake, is to allow everyone in the B the chance to re race on friday. If they decline, ok, you can start on the pole of the B, but if you transfer, the people who chose to race last night and transferred will be ahead of you. The only problem there is it would be confusing to figure out the b line ups if 4 race and 6 dont, etc, but that isn't up to me to figure out, that is up to people who know what they're doing, lol.
|
I agree that the B Main qualifiers should also have the chance to race Friday night. If four of the ten did decide to race on Friday night, the six that didn't would simply move up to the first three rows of the B for Saturday night, and from fifth on back in the Friday night A main (top four transfer to the Sat A Main) would then begin to line up inside row four of the B on Saturday night. Really not confusing at all.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
August 17, 2018 at
01:42:24 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
09/14/2010
|
|
Posts:
|
7604
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: blazer00 on August 15 2018 at 10:36:14 AM
The toughest one to win these days on every night, imo, is the B Main if you start at or near the back. Maybe it's time to look at some race lengths. I have always thought that the D and C are a bit too short on Saturday night. I'd like to see the D at 15 laps and the C at 18 laps on Saturday. On the prelim nights, change the C to 15 laps and the B to 18 laps. For Friday nights, change both B Mains to 18 laps, also. Running 24 car B Main fields for 12 laps.....that's too short . These are not huge changes, but that might make a big difference to a driver making a run on any given night. One prime example this year was Brady Bacon on Friday night. Started 17th in the B and finished fifth, two spots short of a transfer (was 3) with only 12 laps to make a run. Too short is simply too short, regardless. Why run a B if it's only for the top few rows of drivers? I know races have to have a limit, but that limit should be realistic.
|
That makes sense....
But it sounds like you want to change "The Sacred Format"! 
|
|
|
|
|
August 17, 2018 at
02:24:56 PM
|
|
|
Joined:
|
06/10/2015
|
|
Posts:
|
2420
|
|
|
Reply to:
Posted By: revjimk on August 17 2018 at 01:42:24 PM
That makes sense....
But it sounds like you want to change "The Sacred Format"!
|
I've always supported the format in regards to how the driver points are awarded. I wouldn't change that at all. But I have for a long time thought some of the advancing races were too short. I did witness every one of the alphabet races......Jeff Swindell, Dave Blaney, Wolfgang's two just to mention the most talked about. I think Knoxville has forgotten that those nights just may have been the most exciting nights ever for the fans in the stands. Those nights the "yawners" weren't yawners. Crowds were buzzin, I'm tellin ya. As cars have gotten faster, short races have become even shorter......make sense? (yes I saw the smiley face) 
|
|
|
|
