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The Woo and All Star sanctions actually help the tracks as far as national recognation.....it brings out of state fans. Lose the sanctions and you lose some of the luster. Although we would like to think the events would be the same without any sanction, they really would not......again you would be hurting the local promotors with a boycott.

The events would be just as good without a sanction, the dirt classic has always been unsanctioned and has usually brought in interesting fields and drivers even when they run against WoO and ASCOC in the past (WoO was usually at Lernerville, and ASCOC at Eldora the same weekend). The 50 would be just as good and interesting with invaders like Brian Brown, Kerry Madsen, Swindell, and others along with the locals, etc. The races would do very well. There are plenty of big races all over the country that are unsanctioned and do well (The $100k race at Mansfield, Trophy Cup, etc). The thing that hurts local racing is just acting like nothing happened and to keep going to the track, because each time something like this occurs you are going to permanently lose some fans.

Imagine if that were your first race and suddenly 5 of the best cars in the field including the leader get disqualified for nothing that had any type of effect on the race. I won't be a dirt track fan if this is how its going to be, I'll find something else to do without a second thought. That comes from me, a hardcore fan that goes 80 times a year. What if last night was your 4th or 5th race of the season, as a casual fan, it's a joke and there is a whole lot less keeping those types coming back. 

I don't agree with the way things were handled last night but I think what happens next is what's important now. Do the all-stars do anything to address the issue(make the rule and penalty clearer) and smooth things over with the teams affected? An apology and start money would go a long way. What happened sucked because it ruined last nights show for a lot of fans and teams. Me personally, I'm not going to let it stop me from enjoying more all-star shows in the future. I like the all-stars more so than the outlaws and I think it's a good thing having them in for big shows. That's 10 more cars, good cars that are on more even financial footing as the locals. That makes a great show. They've been part of the Tuscarora 50 quite a few years and it adds tremendously to the show IMO. I already have my reserved seats and look forward to it as always. 

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I wouldn't bet on that at all. 

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

I agree and disagree......it hurts the Allstars too.  Because if they don't get a big crowd.....they might not decide to have them back.   I hope the drivers take a stance and tell the Allstars to go pound sand no matter how much they are paying.

Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

Sometimes things carry ramifications will beyond the actual event.

A. When people, in mass, walk out at the beginning of the marque event on the program and displaying their anger on the way, you already lost the debate on the right and the wrong of it. They decided.

B. A speedway, that has at times struggled, just saw their fans leavel in anger. Past today, that is their fanbase, period.

C. Tony Stewart is building the All Stars and this could be a major hit to eastern expansion and the riches of Cen. Pa.

D. In this, no one is right, and everyone lost....

The rules state that a number must be a minimum of 18 inches and any letter be 12 inches. I can guarantee that rule isn’t being followed. For anybody that says a rule is a rule then why isn’t that one enforced?

Blake

You didn't get screwed out of $22. The races happened, heats were ran, feature went green, and there was a finish. Just because some of your locals DQ'd for not doing what they were told, doesn't mean you got screwed. Earlier this year Jac was DQ'd for not having a working raceceiver. I was slightly upset at the ruling but rules are rules & I watched and continue to go to All Star races. More teams followed the rules than didn't. Like I said, if it were 5 All Star teams that were DQ'd people would not be up in arms about this. It would be, geez don't the all Stars know how to follow their rules?

If you want to continue to stew over it & not go to perfectly good races that's on you go right on ahead but the rest of the world will move on. Tony has said they are going to review & take action to fix it so the punishment most likely will be changed. If you want to be so offended to not go thats your right, but to hope that others don't attend & boycott because it's the All Stars is anti productive. Tracks paid a lot of money for that race and no matter what people want to think, you need sanctioning bodies. They are not an evil empire as some make them out to be

I see your point as well microsprint6

After 87 replies to this post I just have to say this.....

”The sky is blue, water is wet and Satan Claus, he’s out there....”

Now I may have gotten the movie quote wrong but the point is this....no matter what happens, Sprint Car races will happen this coming weekend, races in Posseland, for the All Stars and WoO, along with tons of local races and other regional series will occur. I sincerely hope two significant things happen. First, I hope the All Stars clarify their rules beyond a shadow of a doubt and honestly, I have no doubt they will. Shit happens, WE ALL F@*k up. What matters is how we react after said F@*k up. Secondly, I hope the above stated series, Posseland and local and regional races, be it 410, 360 or 305, winged or not, are Fan-Flipping-Tastic! Then all this consternation this week will be overshadowed by actual racing. That will be much better for the sport. 

Just my humble opinion,

DakotaDude

Johnny, your references are always killer   (no pun intended)

They did screw me out of $22. I never would of gone in the first place if Lance, Danny, Anthony and Ryan were not there. That is the majority of the PA Posse, and certainly the best two. So I didnt get to watch the RACE I paid to watch, instead the All Stars tried to force some bullshit joke of a "race" (sort of how the wwe is "wrestling" ) on the fans and hundreds of them left. I do hope those fans remember that in a few weeks when they are deciding whether to support the bullshit that is the ASCOC, but whether they do or not it wont change the fact that I wont be there. 

I had been an All Star supporter, you can look back in my posts to confirm if you care to. But what I witnessed last night was the single biggest piece of bullsit I've ever seen at a race track. The Outlaw format sucks, the teams have huge budgets that dwarf the PA teams, and the crowds are nuts but one thing you can be sure of is that they dont do stuff like that. I prefer our weekly shows, but I'll go to an Outlaw show if it's in town but after last night I'll find something else to do when the All Stars are here. Like I said before, here in PA I can go to 70 races a year without ever even considering supporting one of those bullshit shows.

Ohh boo hooo. Once again, if it would have happened to 5 other guys and not Lance & others you would have been fine with it. It's just because it was your favorites. Sounds like you want a wwe scripted/staged sporting event where your "good guys/babyfaces" win. As someone else said, the sun came up, skies blue, we are all alive, and if that is the worst thing that has happened to you at the races you're living a pretty good life. Sounds like a first world problem. 

I was going to go to only 2 All Star shows this weekend, but after hearing all the whining I think I'll go to All 4 and support the those tracks & the All Stars

I have enjoyed your posts over the years on both Hoseheads and 4m.....the majority are usually well thoughout and informative.......However, I think you are overblowing this situation and unforunately for you, will probably be missing some damn good sprint car racing over the next few weeks. But as I said in an eariler post, I admire your passion and conviction.

"He's out there, and he's just gettin stronger."

"So what do we do about that?"

"Be prepared, son. That's my motto. Be prepared."

I'll always give a hat tip someone who pulls out a Last Boy Scout reference.

Something to remember when thinking of boycotting Port's Tuscarora Fifty. Friday night is pretting run by the Allstars but Saturday is Port's rules pretty much run by Port Officials. The Allstar officials may run around trying to look important but that race is older and bigger than the Allstars. I am pretty sure they know there would be none of that shit happening or they would be out and the race will continue. The Allstar cars are a good addition but outside cars other than them have allways showed up for it. There have years that only two or three Allstars cars  made the show. Port runs some pretty good paying non sactioned races very successfully every year.

Thanks for the hat tip Johnny.....The Last Boy Scout has so many good quotes.....and to somewhat use another....I’d rather listen to Rap Music than hear any more on The All Stars, The Posse and BAPS on August 25th. �

Congratultions - I hope you buy two tickets to each one. That way the attendance is even better at the Ohio shows and maye the ASCOC will stay there instead of coming to PA to ruin races here. 

As I said previously, it would of been bullshit no matter who got DQed, I bitched about it with Larson too. But you are right I wouldn't have got up and left if it had been All Stars because I was there to see my favorite drivers, but I would still be on here talking about what a shit show it was no matter who got DQed because I want to see a race. The Posse/ASCOC/Outlaws rivalry is good because of the talent on all sides. When you remove one side you take away from the race overall. 

Wait just one Cotton Picking Minute!!!  Like someone else commented to your reply, generally ya have you’re head on straight and are logical and I can see where you have every right to be dissatisfied, dissappointed, mad and indifferent. That’s fine and dandy. But ya lost me in your second and third sentence of this reply. Lance, Danny, Anthony and Ryan, to quote you, are the majority of the Posse? Now I could care less about the Posse rivalry, I live in South Dakota. They’ve produced some damn good racers of the past and current , some of the best if I say so.  I’ve just never gotten into that is versus them deal, not my thing. But I thought, from what I’ve seen here and elsewhere that even if ya took a shit in Pennsylvania at one point in your career, that if ya did good some 15 odd years later and Kicked the WoO’s ass at a race at Calistoga in Cali you could be considered Posse and now you are telling me four damn drivers are the majority of the famed Posse! If four are the majority that means, by definition, they are more than 50% of the Posse so I. It’s entirety the entire group contains no more than 7 total racers. By those numbers ya need the All Stars or WoO there every single week just to have a race. If ya are a racer in Pennsylvania and weren’t named in W2’s or my post I guess you are homeless. Feel free to move to South Dakota as a certain Chucky has all but killed 410 racing in our fine state and we will Welcome you with open arms.

please take my response as mere sarcasm and joshing about as it’s intended. I think we all need to pause and breath a little. A little laughter wouldn’t hurt either.

DakotaDude

That is a possibility but I can't fathom the idea of supporting them anymore after last night. I'll have plenty more chances to watch racing this season I've got at least another 20 shows to go to before the end of the season if weather cooperates.