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fiXXXer
March 15, 2017 at 05:11:22 PM
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Posted By: vande77 on March 15 2017 at 02:39:41 PM

The fact that Donny is doing what he is doing without a rival is even more remarkable. (although, IMO, a rivalry is only good for the fans, if a driver doesn't have the burning desire to be the best, he never will be).  Personally, I don't think this is particularly true, it's just that he hasn't had any sustained rivals.  He's had Meyers, Saldana, Pittman, Shane Stewart push him, just not every year, it's a rotation of different guys, but they are pushing him.  And it appears may be Jason Johnson and David Gravel will make that step this year.

Sure, Steve had Wolfie and Sammy for the 1980;s (and Bobby Davis, Mark, Dave Blaney and a couple others in the 1990's (kinda like what those mentioned above are doing to Schatz currently) that pushed him to be better. 

However, I don't think having a rival has anything to do with dominance.  Kinser dominated because he was focused and had that attitude (most wrestlers are this way in everything they do).  Donny seems to dominate because he's not satisfied when he runs 2nd.  He doesn't care if he runs 2nd to Saldana, Sides, a local team, or anyone else.  He's not satisifed running 2nd, he wants and EXPECTS to WIN.  This is something that can't be taught and very few people have that inner drive.

I'm lucky enough to have lived through seeing Steve and Donny in their primes (as well as Sammy and Doug).  Those guys all had that same drive from within.  Sammy still has that drive at 60+ which is amazing IMO.  Hopefully Donny will continue to have that fire in his belly for years to come as we are witnessing history.

 



I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Most of all, I too hope that he continues to race at a high level for many years to come. I used to hate him but the louder he got booked in Posse country, the more I started to like him. One day I asked myself why I hated him and I had no answer. The last 3 years, I've really become a fan. He does everything the right way and carries himself with the utmost class. Not to mention, he's pretty damn fun to watch.

 



egras
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Posted By: fiXXXer on March 15 2017 at 05:11:22 PM

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Most of all, I too hope that he continues to race at a high level for many years to come. I used to hate him but the louder he got booked in Posse country, the more I started to like him. One day I asked myself why I hated him and I had no answer. The last 3 years, I've really become a fan. He does everything the right way and carries himself with the utmost class. Not to mention, he's pretty damn fun to watch.

 



I still don't like to see him win but when you ask me why, I have no answer either. 

All I know is, we are all witnessing something pretty amazing.  Like Ali--love to watch him win or love to watch him lose--but everyone loved to watch him.

I have great respect for his abilities and equipment which is why the 4 highlights which stick out in my mind over the last 6 racing seasons are:  (races I attended that is) 

Sammy dominating Donny at the 2010 Nationals (I know Donny was exchanging slide jobs but Sammy was stronger and was very likely going to take the win) , then Shaffer eventually upsetting Donny,

Donny winning from the B-main at the Nationals a few years back,

Balog holding off Pittman and Donny for 2 restarts at one of Balog's "home tracks", 

and obviously last year's Nationals--to me, the biggest upset I have ever seen.  

All three of the races tops on my list and all included Schatz



blazer00
March 16, 2017 at 12:30:20 PM
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Posted By: egras on March 16 2017 at 09:20:56 AM

I still don't like to see him win but when you ask me why, I have no answer either. 

All I know is, we are all witnessing something pretty amazing.  Like Ali--love to watch him win or love to watch him lose--but everyone loved to watch him.

I have great respect for his abilities and equipment which is why the 4 highlights which stick out in my mind over the last 6 racing seasons are:  (races I attended that is) 

Sammy dominating Donny at the 2010 Nationals (I know Donny was exchanging slide jobs but Sammy was stronger and was very likely going to take the win) , then Shaffer eventually upsetting Donny,

Donny winning from the B-main at the Nationals a few years back,

Balog holding off Pittman and Donny for 2 restarts at one of Balog's "home tracks", 

and obviously last year's Nationals--to me, the biggest upset I have ever seen.  

All three of the races tops on my list and all included Schatz



Damn hard to beat those highlights for sure! Some of us have been pretty damn lucky in that we witnessed Steve and Donny while both were in thier primes. Regardless the debates.....the record books say #1 and #2 all time....to each his or her own as to the choice of the order. Can't really be wrong with either one.



minthess
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March 16, 2017 at 02:38:52 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on March 16 2017 at 12:30:20 PM

Damn hard to beat those highlights for sure! Some of us have been pretty damn lucky in that we witnessed Steve and Donny while both were in thier primes. Regardless the debates.....the record books say #1 and #2 all time....to each his or her own as to the choice of the order. Can't really be wrong with either one.



Didnt know Donny was racing in the late 80sSmile


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

motorhead748
March 16, 2017 at 03:56:25 PM
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Posted By: minthess on March 16 2017 at 02:38:52 PM

Didnt know Donny was racing in the late 80sSmile



He didn't say at the same time.....and steve's prime lasted around a decade both before & after the late 80's. 



Dick Dastardly
March 17, 2017 at 01:58:57 AM
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Wonder how the ford tested tonite at hanford?

 


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minthess
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Posted By: Dick Dastardly on March 17 2017 at 01:58:57 AM

Wonder how the ford tested tonite at hanford?

 



What ford?


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Stroker_Race
March 17, 2017 at 08:43:45 AM
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Posted By: Dick Dastardly on March 17 2017 at 01:58:57 AM

Wonder how the ford tested tonite at hanford?

 



And of course, you have 100% factual information that they were testing a Ford, right?  Please tell me that you can back this comment up 100 percent.  Did you get a few pictures of the Ford?  Please don't tell me this is only speculation again. 



skuebird
March 17, 2017 at 08:18:59 PM
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Posted By: vande77 on March 15 2017 at 02:39:41 PM

The fact that Donny is doing what he is doing without a rival is even more remarkable. (although, IMO, a rivalry is only good for the fans, if a driver doesn't have the burning desire to be the best, he never will be).  Personally, I don't think this is particularly true, it's just that he hasn't had any sustained rivals.  He's had Meyers, Saldana, Pittman, Shane Stewart push him, just not every year, it's a rotation of different guys, but they are pushing him.  And it appears may be Jason Johnson and David Gravel will make that step this year.

Sure, Steve had Wolfie and Sammy for the 1980;s (and Bobby Davis, Mark, Dave Blaney and a couple others in the 1990's (kinda like what those mentioned above are doing to Schatz currently) that pushed him to be better. 

However, I don't think having a rival has anything to do with dominance.  Kinser dominated because he was focused and had that attitude (most wrestlers are this way in everything they do).  Donny seems to dominate because he's not satisfied when he runs 2nd.  He doesn't care if he runs 2nd to Saldana, Sides, a local team, or anyone else.  He's not satisifed running 2nd, he wants and EXPECTS to WIN.  This is something that can't be taught and very few people have that inner drive.

I'm lucky enough to have lived through seeing Steve and Donny in their primes (as well as Sammy and Doug).  Those guys all had that same drive from within.  Sammy still has that drive at 60+ which is amazing IMO.  Hopefully Donny will continue to have that fire in his belly for years to come as we are witnessing history.

 



I agree 100%. You are one of the smartest people on here



motorhead748
March 18, 2017 at 05:58:13 AM
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Posted By: Stroker_Race on March 17 2017 at 08:43:45 AM

And of course, you have 100% factual information that they were testing a Ford, right?  Please tell me that you can back this comment up 100 percent.  Did you get a few pictures of the Ford?  Please don't tell me this is only speculation again. 



it was Tested this week. 



revjimk
March 18, 2017 at 10:29:29 AM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on March 15 2017 at 05:11:22 PM

I couldn't agree more with everything you said. Most of all, I too hope that he continues to race at a high level for many years to come. I used to hate him but the louder he got booked in Posse country, the more I started to like him. One day I asked myself why I hated him and I had no answer. The last 3 years, I've really become a fan. He does everything the right way and carries himself with the utmost class. Not to mention, he's pretty damn fun to watch.

 



Glad you came to your senses.... I don't see why anyone would "hate" Schatz. I continue to root for anyone that can beat him, cause I like competition, but everyone agrees Donnie's a clean driver & one of the best ever.

I can't see hating any driver in fact..... first time I saw fans cheering when Fast Freddy hit the wall at Port Royal (Pa. Speedweek, at least 5 years ago), I became an instant Freddy Fan

They're all risking their lives for our entertainment!



alum.427
March 19, 2017 at 09:39:45 AM
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The comparison I have seen between driver and crew chief from steve/Karl and donnie/warner are 1 part of what keeps them seperated. When Steve had Karl as crew chief his job was to drive the car. I saw Karl on multiple occasions make bar changes or turns without ever even so much as looking at steve. That was karls car. Donnie and warner have a close relationship between each other. Knowing Rick he doesn't like losing, period. Rickey had opportunities to get into pa sprint car racing many many years ago. We sat in the holiday Inn lobby and I ask him why he took so long. His comment was he didn't want to race with a driver that didn't want to win every race. Rickie's first full crew chief job was with the Zemco #1 and driver Kevin gobrect. They were as the 15 crew is today. Everyone knows the outcome of that scenario.  What a lose. Rickie desire is second to none. Donnie was a mid pack runner before warner showed up. Together, they have been nothing short of amazing.  In the prime of both of these teams it would have been a race. Steve just never had to worry about how his car was going to handle, if he was off and a red came out you almost new karls  magic was going to come into play. I asked steve one time. Did you regret taking that nascar ride ? His answer was it was something he just didn't know what the outcome was going to be and he had to give it a try. One can only wonder were he would have gone , record wise, if he and Karl stayed together.  



blazer00
March 19, 2017 at 10:42:50 AM
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Posted By: alum.427 on March 19 2017 at 09:39:45 AM

The comparison I have seen between driver and crew chief from steve/Karl and donnie/warner are 1 part of what keeps them seperated. When Steve had Karl as crew chief his job was to drive the car. I saw Karl on multiple occasions make bar changes or turns without ever even so much as looking at steve. That was karls car. Donnie and warner have a close relationship between each other. Knowing Rick he doesn't like losing, period. Rickey had opportunities to get into pa sprint car racing many many years ago. We sat in the holiday Inn lobby and I ask him why he took so long. His comment was he didn't want to race with a driver that didn't want to win every race. Rickie's first full crew chief job was with the Zemco #1 and driver Kevin gobrect. They were as the 15 crew is today. Everyone knows the outcome of that scenario.  What a lose. Rickie desire is second to none. Donnie was a mid pack runner before warner showed up. Together, they have been nothing short of amazing.  In the prime of both of these teams it would have been a race. Steve just never had to worry about how his car was going to handle, if he was off and a red came out you almost new karls  magic was going to come into play. I asked steve one time. Did you regret taking that nascar ride ? His answer was it was something he just didn't know what the outcome was going to be and he had to give it a try. One can only wonder were he would have gone , record wise, if he and Karl stayed together.  



Saw Steve take a damaged car.....front axle duct taped to the frame and a front shock, done by the hands of Karl on a red during the first lap of a heat race at the Knoxville Nationals (he got pretty high in the air in turn two on the first lap and landed it on all fours), and wrestle the jumping, bucking s.o.b from last to second place to salvage heat points. I think the man could drive even when Karl may have missed a setup Smile, which wasn't very often, but between the two of them they nearly always got it done when it counted most. Donny and Ricky have the same chemistry. Donny can drive the thing even when it isn't quite right, I'm sure.  BTW.......a freind of mine has that Steve Kinser/Karl Kinser damaged front axle hanging in his shop. And some of the duct tape is still stuck to it. Karl didn't bother to unwind it to get it off......he just cut it off rather hastily.



vande77
March 20, 2017 at 02:23:07 PM
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Posted By: alum.427 on March 19 2017 at 09:39:45 AM

The comparison I have seen between driver and crew chief from steve/Karl and donnie/warner are 1 part of what keeps them seperated. When Steve had Karl as crew chief his job was to drive the car. I saw Karl on multiple occasions make bar changes or turns without ever even so much as looking at steve. That was karls car. Donnie and warner have a close relationship between each other. Knowing Rick he doesn't like losing, period. Rickey had opportunities to get into pa sprint car racing many many years ago. We sat in the holiday Inn lobby and I ask him why he took so long. His comment was he didn't want to race with a driver that didn't want to win every race. Rickie's first full crew chief job was with the Zemco #1 and driver Kevin gobrect. They were as the 15 crew is today. Everyone knows the outcome of that scenario.  What a lose. Rickie desire is second to none. Donnie was a mid pack runner before warner showed up. Together, they have been nothing short of amazing.  In the prime of both of these teams it would have been a race. Steve just never had to worry about how his car was going to handle, if he was off and a red came out you almost new karls  magic was going to come into play. I asked steve one time. Did you regret taking that nascar ride ? His answer was it was something he just didn't know what the outcome was going to be and he had to give it a try. One can only wonder were he would have gone , record wise, if he and Karl stayed together.  



Donny was far from a "mid-pack runner" before Ricky showed up.  Pretty sure they ran extremely well with Kenny Woodruff as well before Ricky came to the team.

But I forgot that for most people Donny wasn't any good until he teamed up with Stewart either (even though they dominated in the family car before then too).



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Posted By: vande77 on March 20 2017 at 02:23:07 PM

Donny was far from a "mid-pack runner" before Ricky showed up.  Pretty sure they ran extremely well with Kenny Woodruff as well before Ricky came to the team.

But I forgot that for most people Donny wasn't any good until he teamed up with Stewart either (even though they dominated in the family car before then too).



Donny was far from a mid-pack runner before Rick and he got together with that I can agree, but I have a question for you. How many Knoxville National wins and how many WOO Championships did he have before Rick?



alum.427
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RW. I believe the answer to that question is 1 woo titles and 2 knoxville. To many years ago . I'm sure others will correct me. When woodruff was his crew chief I do not feel they where the car to beat as they are today.  I still believe when donnie first went on tour they were as many are. They were glad to make it race to race. 



RW
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RW. I believe the answer to that question is 1 woo titles and 2 knoxville. To many years ago . I'm sure others will correct me. When woodruff was his crew chief I do not feel they where the car to beat as they are today.  I still believe when donnie first went on tour they were as many are. They were glad to make it race to race. 



The answer is before Warner WOO TITLES=0

Knoxville Nationals Wins = O

Let me say that Donny Schatz is the best sprint car driver of his time. He is proving that every day.



RW
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Posted By: RW on March 20 2017 at 05:11:14 PM

The answer is before Warner WOO TITLES=0

Knoxville Nationals Wins = O

Let me say that Donny Schatz is the best sprint car driver of his time. He is proving that every day.



Steve Kinser is THE BEST SPRINT CAR DRIVER OF ALLTIME without question.



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Posted By: motorhead748 on March 18 2017 at 05:58:13 AM

it was Tested this week. 



  Are you sure?



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  Are you sure?



LOL  Oh no, you seem to be the most knowledgable on this and you are doubting!  I was feeling good since Hanford is so close to Tulare and now you ruined itSmile


Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?



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