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Even 1 million would be a great start to start vaccinating the health care workers that have not yet been infected.  If they got all of the health care workers vaccinated, followed by the elderly and those with health conditions, I would need to know my risks before getting it myself.  I'm not opposed to vaccinations if I feel the benefits are well worth the risks, but would consider skipping if all prone individuals were vaccinated and transmission rates were low.  I will wait for more numbers to come out before making my decision.  

Either way, we need one. 

I haven't agreed with much you have said on the current virus situation lately, but I do agree with what you said there. Benefit must be well work the risks. Death rate for my age group is darn near nonexistent with no pre existing conditions and I am a relatively healthy person. Chances of long term unknown side effect may keep me away. This doesn't mean I won't vaccinate my children or get vaccines for proven severe illnesses that can be prevented. It would be a load off the mind of medical personel if they could receive one though in a lot of cases. 

But while you're walking around with your invincible bravado, you can be spreading the virus to those of us who may be in the high risk category while never knowing you have it. Stop being selfish and wait at least until there is a steady, consistent downward trend. It's fucking racing versus possibly infecting and killing others. 

How could someone be spreading the virus to you, or others who may be at high risk, unless you all are out walking around too? 

But while you're walking around with your invincible bravado, you can be spreading the virus to those of us who may be in the high risk category while never knowing you have it. Stop being selfish and wait at least until there is a steady, consistent downward trend. It's fucking racing versus possibly infecting and killing others. 

Unlike several on here who are self centered, I actually think and care about others. Racing can wait...

Apparently, you didnt want to answer the question that was asked, or you didnt understand it, so here it is again. If you are a truth-detector it should be a pretty straightforward question for you to answer truthfully. 

How could someone be spreading the virus to you, or others who may be at high risk, unless you all are out walkng around too?

I do leave the house from time to time to get groceries, is that easy enough for you to understand Mr. Invincible?

I haven't agreed with much you have said on the current virus situation lately, but I do agree with what you said there. Benefit must be well work the risks. Death rate for my age group is darn near nonexistent with no pre existing conditions and I am a relatively healthy person. Chances of long term unknown side effect may keep me away. This doesn't mean I won't vaccinate my children or get vaccines for proven severe illnesses that can be prevented. It would be a load off the mind of medical personel if they could receive one though in a lot of cases. 

No offense taken.  I was just sharing the story.  I'm hopeful for the fate of SARS and MERS and it "burns" out.  I know that's a lot of hope.  

I was more inclined to get in line for the vaccination a week ago than I am today.  I think we all knew the deadliness of this virus was MUCH lower than what the confirmed cases vs. death rate were-----it was just how much.  My only real concern in this entire situation was the over-running of the hospitals, and we don't need more proof that this would have been an issue had it been left unchecked.  It already happened in areas where I have family (NYC and Seattle) and they told me first hand this was not simply the flu.

That said, the information over the last couple of days have made me much more optimistic about my summer.  Optimistic enough that I think we'll be racing all over the country in May and attending baseball games?  No.  June?  Possibly here and there.  July and August?  I'm feeling more optimistic, but I wouldn't bet on it.  

I also feel pretty strongly there will be a second wave of infections.  I don't think nationwide shutdowns will be necessary as we SHOULD have a medical system equipped to handle it if it come before the flu season. 

Time will tell.  I'm fine if you don't agree with me, but I feel like I (and a few others on this board) have been pretty objective when reviewing the news and numbers and have been pretty good at giving a level-headed opinion about where this was going to go.  So far, we kinda nailed it----not that I like where it went, but if you took the info that was coming in, and really kept an open mind, they kinda laid it out for you.  

I think too many people get caught up in politics to really form an honest opinion that they formulate themselves.  I hate politics.  I can't stand the Democratic party and I can't stand the Republican party.  Both sides have an agenda and they try to trick the middle-class into believing they stand for us when all they do is use us to feed the interests of their parties.  It really doesn't matter which side you pick, they are taking your money and giving it to someone else and blaming the other side when you have nothing left in your check.  So, I can turn on CNN or Fox News---makes no difference to me.  I turn the volume down, and watch the ticker at the bottom of the screen.  All of the info is exactly the same.  No political opinions needed.  

So back to vaccinations------this also seems to be politically driven.  I will make my OWN mind up on the vaccination.  I have no predetermined, canned response to the word "vaccination" like 90% of America has.  If the benefits outweigh the risks, I will take it.  If the risks outweigh the benefits, I will not take it.  If I worked in health care, or was 65 years old, or had COPD, I would take it.  

I just like to take all the info in, and make my own judgements without the influence of politicians or people that say "this is all a conspiracy" just because they know nothing else but mistrust and everything must be a conspiracy.  

I was more inclined to get in line for the vaccination a week ago than I am today.  I think we all knew the deadliness of this virus was MUCH lower than what the confirmed cases vs. death rate were-----it was just how much.  My only real concern in this entire situation was the over-running of the hospitals, and we don't need more proof that this would have been an issue had it been left unchecked.  It already happened in areas where I have family (NYC and Seattle) and they told me first hand this was not simply the flu.

That said, the information over the last couple of days have made me much more optimistic about my summer.  Optimistic enough that I think we'll be racing all over the country in May and attending baseball games?  No.  June?  Possibly here and there.  July and August?  I'm feeling more optimistic, but I wouldn't bet on it.  

I also feel pretty strongly there will be a second wave of infections.  I don't think nationwide shutdowns will be necessary as we SHOULD have a medical system equipped to handle it if it come before the flu season. 

Time will tell.  I'm fine if you don't agree with me, but I feel like I (and a few others on this board) have been pretty objective when reviewing the news and numbers and have been pretty good at giving a level-headed opinion about where this was going to go.  So far, we kinda nailed it----not that I like where it went, but if you took the info that was coming in, and really kept an open mind, they kinda laid it out for you.  

I think too many people get caught up in politics to really form an honest opinion that they formulate themselves.  I hate politics.  I can't stand the Democratic party and I can't stand the Republican party.  Both sides have an agenda and they try to trick the middle-class into believing they stand for us when all they do is use us to feed the interests of their parties.  It really doesn't matter which side you pick, they are taking your money and giving it to someone else and blaming the other side when you have nothing left in your check.  So, I can turn on CNN or Fox News---makes no difference to me.  I turn the volume down, and watch the ticker at the bottom of the screen.  All of the info is exactly the same.  No political opinions needed.  

So back to vaccinations------this also seems to be politically driven.  I will make my OWN mind up on the vaccination.  I have no predetermined, canned response to the word "vaccination" like 90% of America has.  If the benefits outweigh the risks, I will take it.  If the risks outweigh the benefits, I will not take it.  If I worked in health care, or was 65 years old, or had COPD, I would take it.  

I just like to take all the info in, and make my own judgements without the influence of politicians or people that say "this is all a conspiracy" just because they know nothing else but mistrust and everything must be a conspiracy.  

When it comes to the vaccine, I am fortunate to have: 1) my own doctor that I trust because he is more interested in care & health than pharma & political affiliation. She basis her diagnosis on information, evidence, and data so she will pretty much be able to tell me if it is wise to get one or not. She told me years ago that she is more interest in my body doing the work rather than shoving pills & other drugs down my throat if they are not actually needed.

2) The company I work for has a division (actually developed a test for Covid 19 weeks ago that has gone out to hospitals) that will most likely be working on a vaccine as well & if not will have pretty good knowledge of the any risks and benefits of it as well. Talked to our resources when my son was born just in case someone tried to talk us into something we did not know about and they gave me a list of for sure vaccines to get, and ones that were not fully approved but on trial

They one thing I do know, is that if & when a vaccine is made available it will be quicker than normal which will scare some people. The reason it will be quicker than normal is that everything is being expedited for anything being developed for Covid 19. All other drugs, tests, and trails are getting pushed down the lists and all approvers are making Covid 19 the top priority. So there is no files/information sitting on a desk awaiting someone to assign it to someone & waiting for a date to be given, its more like here is this get to work on it Now.

When it comes to the vaccine, I am fortunate to have: 1) my own doctor that I trust because he is more interested in care & health than pharma & political affiliation. She basis her diagnosis on information, evidence, and data so she will pretty much be able to tell me if it is wise to get one or not. She told me years ago that she is more interest in my body doing the work rather than shoving pills & other drugs down my throat if they are not actually needed.

2) The company I work for has a division (actually developed a test for Covid 19 weeks ago that has gone out to hospitals) that will most likely be working on a vaccine as well & if not will have pretty good knowledge of the any risks and benefits of it as well. Talked to our resources when my son was born just in case someone tried to talk us into something we did not know about and they gave me a list of for sure vaccines to get, and ones that were not fully approved but on trial

They one thing I do know, is that if & when a vaccine is made available it will be quicker than normal which will scare some people. The reason it will be quicker than normal is that everything is being expedited for anything being developed for Covid 19. All other drugs, tests, and trails are getting pushed down the lists and all approvers are making Covid 19 the top priority. So there is no files/information sitting on a desk awaiting someone to assign it to someone & waiting for a date to be given, its more like here is this get to work on it Now.

To your last point, that is part and the other part is that vaccine trials just usually take a really long time- but they also aren't usually needed in such a pressing manner either. I read one suggestion that could be done to really speed up the process is to challenge volunteers. Meaning instead of just giving them the vaccine and checking up on them over a long period of time as they do now, you'd give the vaccine and then get purposefully introduced to the virus to see if it works. Its not looked at fondly ethically for obvious reasons but I'd imagine they'd find no shortage of volunteers to do it now. This article published today https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/apr/18/coronavirus-vaccine-trials-could-be-completed-by-mid-august moved the timeline up to August and seems pretty promising especially since he even brought up the issues of how do you produce billions of doses and starting that process by end of may if it's looking good. Since this is coming from the UK I feel much better about taking a rushed vaccine in the fall than if it were from China or Brazil.

It should be noted that we don't all have to get the vaccine. This virus while very contagious, is leagues off of something like measles that require 95+% to be immune to keep herd immunity. We'll need about 60ish percent, and if these prevalence studies are accurate we may already be a significant way there by people naturally recovered.

Im more hopeful than I was last week, but I also wouldn't bet on any gathering in the near term future. 

Then you dont have to worry about getting it from me at the race track Mr. Snowflake. Is that easy enough for you to understand?

I'm with you Kingpin pretty much 100% since this entire debacle began.  In reference to your last sentence, I am much more hopeful than I was a week ago as well.  Not for May or June necessarily, but for this thing being over with yet in 2020.  Will it be 100% over by the end of 2020?  Probably not.   However, there are reasons to be optimistic we may get back to 90% normal by the end of this year-----which is far better than the predicted 18 months. 

If we can get the transmission rate to slow to the rate of the flu, or slower, we can pretty much get back to normal in quick order.  

The key is we nerd to get more and more solid blood tests showing that this virus has already been much more prevelant and isn't nearly as deadly. If we can confirm an infected death rate of 0.5% or under I think our strategies could change especially if it ends up like 0.3%. Our goals then would shift to mainly making sure we have hospital capacity and less on the draconian side.

We did get this today: 1/3 of blood donors in a massachussetts suburb that was hit with the disease has antibodies (all the participants previously were not confirmed for covid) https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/17/business/nearly-third-200-blood-samples-taken-chelsea-show-exposure-coronavirus/

The realistic hope for me is that most non-rural places by now have at least 5% infected/recovered and hopefully higher around 10% with hard hit areas over 20%. We'd start to see herd immunity benefits slowing the transmission so when we open up incrementally theres no massive spikes (Likely rises but nothing overwhelming), and we get more and more immunity over the next few months that by the end of summer we could probably be mostly open for business and the virus isnt spreading a ton. Also I'm pretty confident we'll find some sort of treatment, drug, cocktail of drugs over the next few months that'll improve the prognosis if infected.
 

We also have Hail Mary's like an anti-viral silver bullet or the virus mutating and petering out like it's close family member SARS. It also could adapt to it's new host (humans) and become something more akin to the other common cold coronavirus that circulate humans.

I just read the article.  Very interesting again.  I hope to hear more and more of this as the next couple of weeks unfold.  I see they are getting ready to test NYC for antibodies at a rate of 2000 per day.  That should be a very telling test.  

The closest city to me is Chicago as I live 120 miles away from the center of the city.  Would it be fair to reason from the California and MA tests that over 1,000,000 have already been infected in Chicago?