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How exactly was "the typical Knoxville program in recent years was getting rather stale?"  And since when is being a "Knoxville die hard" a bad label? 

Be careful of what reply.......? Why is it a handful of posters always come up with the most stupid analogies? Comparing the competition of race venues to the competition between a BBQ joint and a Rib Shack? You're kidding, right?? 

I agree it would be difficult for one team to field even 2 cars but to win the bonus do the cars have to be from the same team? If I'm a 305 guy and know that I have a car good enough to win but for some reason I'm not......I'd approach a wining 360/410 driver and get him to run my car a few weeks. If we win the bonus we split it and we're both ahead and if we don't Ive likely learned a few things about how to get my car faster. 

McCarl has done it a couple of times (on final night of 360 Nationals, when 410's also ran) ... same for Dennis Moore Jr.  More recently, Brown did it a few years ago... Henderson I believe did it last year or the year before.  I think that's about it.  It's not easy to do!  

BBQ and ribs weren't my idea but it sounds pretty good.  Maybe I'll have to drag the grille out tonight. 

Stan Meissner

Seriously though, race tracks are fair game for competition just like any other business.  Modified and Stock Car tracks abound in my area.  I've got two tracks within an hour running most of the same classes on Saturday nights.  Does anybody remember the 1960's Supermodified days when tracks in close proximity to each other running on the same nights would run different rules in attempt to lock their cars in?  Basically what we're seeing here is akin to a bidding war for available cars down at those tracks.  The entertainment "product" that dirt tracks offer is race cars so when tracks compete it's going to be for two things, the other track's competitors and fan base.  In the case of the Stock Car and Modified tracks I refered to there are a lot more of those types of cars to go around but it does still cut into the car count and fans.

Jackson runs their all Sprint show on Fridays so they don't really come into play.  Our local sanction for the Stocks and Mods has a 75 mile rule.  In other words, two sanctioned tracks running on the same night have to be 75 miles apart to get the blessing of WISSOTA.  Brandon and Knoxville are 320 miles apart and both areas have run Sprints for decades.  If they can't both run a program 320 miles apart on the same night then there's no hope, the end is nigh.  LOL

Stan Meissner

I take the time to vist this board for replies like this.  Once again, FORD puts the badlands crew in their place.  The BBQ is the only thing I want to touch base on.  Never ever pay for BBQ, get a damn WSM and BBQ yourself.  So much better than anything you buy... That is all.

First off, I said nothing about competition between tracks not existing. Second, it was the analogy that I referred to that made no sense. As for your opening statement about "race tracks being fair game to competition just like any other business", I have to disagree. How many business' operate just one day a week (or two)? That is the primary thing that sets the race track business apart from any other. If we lived in the "land of plenty" when it comes to sprint cars, no problem. This isn't the 1960's. Hell you could run three tracks in one night if the sprint car population was healthy enough. But it isn't! That's the root of the problem. So the question that needs answered must be...... how do tracks co-exist with a limited supply of sprint car teams? My answer is this, it isn't competition, it's cooperation and long term goals. 

Where does it state that being a Knoxville Die Hard is bad? It just seems on this board that if anything good about BMS/Huset's is put on here, the poster is labeled a Chucksucker. But, then, most of the noise on this board regarding these two tracks comes out the Knoxville area, too.

You have that backwards. Badlands has yet to earn the right to be even breathed in the same sentence as Knoxville. 

305's are the herpes of sprint cars

Ford, no, I do not pay just as I don't when I go to Knoxville. I've been supplying them with photos all season long, too. And yeah, I've noticed a lot of new accounts, too. And, as far as I'm concerned, the majority of them can stay quiet, too.

BTW, after they flashed the car counts on the board, I told them I thought that was quite tacky and wasn't needed. I offer up my opinion to them every once in a while. There are things at the new Huset's that I do like and things that I do not like. I do think the concessions prices are too high. But I like how the racers have been treated this year and been paid out. That's been very overdue around here.

Ok.  So everyone continues to bring up how chuck in his press conference, insulted Knoxville.  Talked bad about Knoxville.  Degraded Knoxville. Whatever.     Maybe I need to watch the press conference again because all I remember him saying was "if I hear the word Knoxville again I'm going to puke."  I know he switched to Saturday's.      But Is this the quote that everyone is still mad about? Or was there something else that he said.  Honestly asking.  

Agreed....It just seems certain people think Knoxville has be drug into this.

As far as I know there isn't any government regulatory agency penalizing race tracks for not playing by whatever unwritten code of conduct we're talking about.  I understand that on account of the number of cars in the vicinity it's a different animal than other types of entertainment or racing but there's nothing to stop anyone from competing for cars and fans.  Saturday night is prime time entertainment night and brings in the highest amount of revenue for race tracks. 

Stan Meissner

As a casual observer from thousands of miles away, this is my only source of information about the badlands/Knoxville soap opera. I don't think either side of the argument has anything to be proud of (you guys posting, not the tracks). Both sides have been ignorant to one and other which makes this fairytale of working together for a better future seem as likely Trump and Hillary working together.  I just don't get why all of you Chuck haters continue to bash even though your soooooo sure he's gonna run it into the ground. 

On another note, any driver who would quit racing or choose not to race because a high dollar 410 guy is I'm their class, should probably choose a different hobby. 

BINGO

Actually,  it's the same few Knoxville people doing all the bashing like a bunch of butt hurt,  jealous school girls. Plus you are spot on about someone not racing because of who is in a certain class. One thing you have never seen on here is any driver or team bashing BMS, to me that speaks louder than anything posted on here! Oh and huge increase in car counts (sprint cars).

Went to Jackson last Sunday, great races. Going to Badlands this weekend and Knoxville next weekend. Expecting great shows at both places. As a midwestern fan I feel damn lucky to have THREE great racetracks like these three. Why all the bitching?

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Ronald Reagan

Exactly, you Knoxville fans should be happy another track is shaking things up, competition makes everyone work harder, keeps all the tracks on their toes and working hard for their customers, the drivers and fans. Competition is what our country is built on. Same with the 305 class with a 410 superstar running, get better or quit. Why do you think locals race against the outlaws when they come to town, I mean 90% of those guys know they have no chance of winning but they compete to make themselves better and for the love of competition. 

Just announced that the woo would be back in 2017 at badlands on July 4 weekend  and that the gold cup would be moved to last weekend in July. Also looks like the usac midgets will be added to the card in 2017 as well. 

That can't be.   Chuck made the outlaws mad and they will never come back.