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If you dont like the price, dont buy the PPV. Cant see why PPV needs to be any cheaper than general admission.

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I don't think anyone here was bitching like someone was forcing them to buy it.  They said they thought it was too high priced--and they weren't going to buy it.  You say--If you don't like it, don't buy it.  ?????   Why does it piss you off that everyone is doing exactly what you think they should do?  I only chimed in because I think they are missing a market by not offering cheaper PPV for fans not within reasonable driving distance of an event.  Then someone chimes in and says they think that PPV should not be cheaper than a ticket to the event-- and you agree with that too?  So, by your logic, I should have to pay $150 to watch an NFL or NHL game on television and $60 for each MLB game?  Sounds reasonable.

I think the general consensus on this topic is this--price is keeping MOST sprint car fans out of the PPV market.  I don't really care if you think I'm bitching or not.  I'm not.   Just agreeing with most on what the price should be based on the product offered.  

 I've bought pay per view in the past and I was even on the site Saturday ready to put my money down again, twice, but I just couldn't do it..... I have the money but It just seemed like it was to much for one night... Like others, if I had the sound and smell and some good buddies to sit with it would be a different story.

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please give me some examples of ppv's that cost the same to watch(internet streaming) as it cost to buy a ticket and attend in person??

when you buy a ticket in person, you get the sounds, smells, and can watch the cars you want to watch and most of the time you can see the entire track...

i love sprint car racing, but to me an online ppv stream is the equivlent of watching your fav band on tv/computer opposed to attending a concert in person...it's nothing close to the same, therefore in my opinion should not cost the same

For a weekly show, Knoxville PPV costs $15.  A general admission ticket is $15.

Obviously, I prefer to attend in person.  However, kids, family, work, etc. sometimes prevent attending in person.  I love having the option to watch online when I can't be there in person.  The racetrack makes more money off me because of the PPV than they would without it.    If they didn't have PPV, they would see no $$ from me on the nights I can't attend in person.  

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Im not pissed, I couldnt care less. How you can compare watching TV to purchasing a PPV steam is beyond me and certainly not my logic. When you pay your monthly cable, direct tv, or dish bill you are paying to watch the NFL and NHL games. I think your dead wrong about most fans not buying the PPV because of price. You base your general consensus on this thread which has about 9 different posters complaining about the price. Again, if people were not paying Racin Boyz would lower the price, obviuosly MOST sprint car fans are paying and the price will not come down, which leads me back to my first post on this topic, if you think its too much dont buy it. still pretty simple. I guess the difference between you and I is when i think somthing costs too much I dont buy it, you on the other hand dont buy it and then turn to social media to complain about the price and try to tell the PPV provider that they are wrong and should lower the price to what you think is fair. And as you said before you have a right to say whatever you want and i have a right to disagree. Cant we just agree to disagree? I cant wait to watch another night of racing from cocopah tonight, you can watch TV and count all $30 bucks you saved!!! enjoy I know i will.

At least if I was going to Buy somthing I know who I am buying it from...... Speed Sport did the stream for Cocopah, Racinboys did the Tulsa Shootout.

PPV sucks and Always will suck and will never grow a fan base this way. Take a look at the PBR most of thier events are either televised live or only delayed by a few hours. I get sick and tired of having races taped in August played back in Febuary for the first time.

You can't compare sprint car racing with the NFL, MLB, NBA, or even the NHL when it comes to ppv pricing.  Those are sports with tens of MILLIONS of fans for the vendor to draw from.  Sprint car racing is a niche sport with a very limited fan base to draw from.  Of course it's going to require a higher price per purchaser for the supplier to break even or even, GASP, make money. First you have to recover the fixed cost of providing the service.  You also have to be careful not to hurt the bottom line at the facility by pricing too low and keeping potential attendees at home instead of the track. I'm sure implementing some kind of blackout area is a pain in the ass and has a cost also.  I hope they make money and continue to do it.

My bad, SpeedSport, makes no difference in the context of this discussion, but hey thanks for reading. I personally really like dirt track PPV, when the Woo comes to Williams Grove for the National open, you couldn't pay me enough to deal with crowds, drunks, and traffic and I'm 40 mins from the track, Dirtvision allows me to see all the action in my living room on the big screen. Your PBR example makes no sense, if you buy the PPV you don't have to wait until February to watch it, perhaps you don't understand what PPV is, they are not trying to grow a fan base, they are giving current fans a chance to see a race that they otherwise couldn't see, thanks for playing.

We can agree to disagree-no problem with me.

I live in an area with VERY little sprint car racing--I'm not going to hurt the gate at most races by not attending because I don't live close to any tracks.  Could I justify spending $30 to watch a big race here and there?  Sure.  It would add up in a hurry though if I spent that to watch a lot of races.  If they are getting the viewership, then more power to them. 

Promoter would get more money if they made there product easier to see. The whole argument that people will not go if you show video  for $10 or less is stupid IMHO.  The PBR example:  Is what I think Sprint Car (WoO) racing should be doing I should have explained that earlier.

Wow,  I thought all of those years of college economics classes was a waste, but now I know it was to help me with dirt track racing PPV.     It all comes down to supply and demand.   

There is going to be x number of people that will always buy PPV for an event  especially for an event in the off-season when the entertainment options are more limited.   These people will be willing to pay a premium price for the event.   For this example, lets say it is 1000 people at $30 a view.  Thus, the promoter has made $30,000  of revenue for his PPV. 

The promoter knows that there are if he was to charge less for the PPV that he would have more people be willing to purchase it.   For this example, lets say he charges $10 for the event.   He is still going to get the x number of hardcore fans that would have bought the PPV at any price, but because of the lower price he was able to increase his viewers by a factor of 2.5.   So now he has 2500 people paying $10 a view.   Thus, the promoter has made $25,000 of revenue for his PPV.    Clearly, the promoter would make more money in the first scenario than in the second scenario.  

Another factor to keep in mind is that there is a difference in the production costs.   The number of cameras, announcers, lighting will be the same regardless of the option.   However, there has to be more bandwidth/processing speed to stream to 2500 versus to 1000 which will drive up the production costs. 

Obviously, to be a successful business man you have to understand supply and demand and maximize your profits.   Using the numbers above, it is easy to see how sometimes there is more money to be made with less sales.

BTW, I am not a fan of PPV events.   For me being at the event is almost as important as the event.   I love the crowd, the noise, the energy of the fans.   There is so many things that you get at the track that you do not get on PPV. 

There is really no argument for anything that you have stated.  I am curious though how much study has been put into what (if any) additional revenue could be generated by offering up much lower prices the farther you get away from the event.  Like you say--2.5 times as many viewers?   Maybe not just by simply lowering the price.  Would probably take a combination of lowering prices AND some hardcore advertising--which is more money too.  

My support of those who stated it was overpriced was not to bash those supplying the PPV.  More power to them for supplying the product and making it available to those around the world who can't make the event.  It is just simply out of the range of what I am willing to pay. 

You bring up excellent points. 

(FYI--I actually have ordered an event on PPV--it is not like I didn't give it a try.  Wasn't bad.  Just wasn't $25 or $30 good.)

One other question.... where did you get these numbers? I'm guessing you are guessing.

I don't think he was guessing................I think he was "throwing" numbers out to make his argument.  I am not going to hold him to them.

Hey Sarge, I don't think that Nude Mexican Hat Dancing show counts in this argument. 

Oops.  I should have been clearer.  I only meant the PPV my wife knows about. 

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