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Do you remember the outlaw restart?  Not sure why they went away from that, I'd like to see that come back.

What's interesting is that there's all this talk about bigger races and higher paying purses and yet no one has paid lip service to keeping costs in line in quite a while. Soon, you'll need that $23,000 prize to help pay for your $100,000 motor.

Chris Madden just said it best after the late model feature tonight. "I don't know why in a professional sport they penalize you for being fast". Refering to redrawing. 

Well Chris Madden got to start on Row 1 tonight & finished 3rd! So what is he going to cry about now?

I'd say that most of us on Hoseheads believe that Brad Sweet and Kyle Larson read posts on here. This post & thread is aimed directly at them. 

Brad- for the betterment of High Limit Racing, and to find out what your fans and potential fans think of your program, set up some sort of official suggestion box. I know, you have a corporate e-mail somewhere that I can send info to where it will sink to the bottom of someone's inbox and never be seen. I'm thinking of something a lot more specific and useful. You could set it up and provide links on racing sites, or work directly with a racing site like Hoseheads. 

Here's the plan-
Submitters will be asked to suggest one idea at a time. Expand on that idea all you want, but stick to one subject. Anything that reads like a manifesto won't get read by anybody anyway. Encourage people who have opinions or ideas on a dozen aspects of HL to submit a dozen seperate, specific e-mails. This will alow you to have someone sort all the ideas into like piles. It will make it easier to see trends and to cull out the crazies. 
I look forward to seeing soemthing soon.
-Thanks

It's probably better to be beat on the track , instead of at the pill draw.

Obviously all you guys that are wanting inversions and starting fastest cars farther back have never been anything other than grandstanders?

Please do not use the WOO race format.  Do something different.

Maybe we are, and maybe us grandstanders want to see some side by side racing rather than a single file high speed freight train?   Is there something about wanting to see side by side racing you don't understand?  

Bingo. It's like they are saying let the costs run rampant and we will find someone else to pay for it. Keeping costs down should be way more important than increasing purse size. If purse size can be increased some that's good but Larsons comment on having the top tier drivers potentially having 3 million in winnings for the year... I start to raise on eye. Don't make this NASCAR. Don't give me the Kevin and Jordan Swindell sob story of trying to keep a sprint car on the road being so tough while I buy a million dollar home.  And yes I use that example a lot because both statements were posted on their social media within a week or two of each other. 

I fear of the days of no more blue collar weekly racer and racetracks/races. This is what dirt racing was built on. Guys that do it for the love of racing. 

You are on a message board of mostly fans of the sport. And you expect them to shell out 30 plus dollars to see someone win a "Sprnt race" remember these aren't hundred lap marathons without passing a competitor and tell themselves "yeah that was great I'm so glad the fast guy won" ? Does that sound like a fun night to you?

I'd say that most of us on Hoseheads believe that Brad Sweet and Kyle Larson read posts on here. This post & thread is aimed directly at them. 

Brad- for the betterment of High Limit Racing, and to find out what your fans and potential fans think of your program, set up some sort of official suggestion box. I know, you have a corporate e-mail somewhere that I can send info to where it will sink to the bottom of someone's inbox and never be seen. I'm thinking of something a lot more specific and useful. You could set it up and provide links on racing sites, or work directly with a racing site like Hoseheads. 

Here's the plan-
Submitters will be asked to suggest one idea at a time. Expand on that idea all you want, but stick to one subject. Anything that reads like a manifesto won't get read by anybody anyway. Encourage people who have opinions or ideas on a dozen aspects of HL to submit a dozen seperate, specific e-mails. This will alow you to have someone sort all the ideas into like piles. It will make it easier to see trends and to cull out the crazies. 
I look forward to seeing soemthing soon.
-Thanks

Exactly!   Back in the early 90s I quit going to WoO races altogether.   By then 410 racing in North Texas had pretty much died out, so the WoO car count at Devils Bowl had dwindled down to the low 20s.   Then put Sammy on the pole and watch him never be challenged and lap up to 7th or 8th place and what did you see during the night?   You saw a dominating performance, but what you didn't see was any racing.   Low car counts and little or no competition and it wasn't worth the $30 they were charging by then.   

Engine costs running rampant has been the battle cry since I started going to the racetrack in the 80's......................racing engines have always cost too much, and yet, everyone keeps buying them.  I'm sure that was the big complaint in the 60's and 70's too.  

Winning a $25,000 race with a $100,000 motor is no different than me watching someone in 1990 win a $2000 race with a $20,000 motor.  The math didn't, doesn't, and never will pencil out if you're trying to pay your bills using prize money.  I'll leave the financials up to the race teams and sanctioning bodies.  I save my money for tickets and concessions and then go home.    

Sorry Willie i was trying reply to the grandstanders post. Giving the fans what they want  passing and racing is what brings them back telling them what they should want is what drives them away. 

I live in Illinois.  If I want to see people be punished for working for something, and witness those not as fortunate be given a head start, I can just go outside.  When I go to a sprint car race, I want to see the guys that earned the spot, get the spot.  If you want to catch up, work hard to catch up.  Period.  

This is the exact same argument going right now with my hometown's high school football team.  They want them to play up a class or 2 because they are sick of them dominating.  It's a close boundary school, with no scholarships or recruits.  Yet, because they are good, everyone wants them to be handcuffed.  How about everyone else coming up to their level vs. making them come down?  JMO

I can't stand this argument for the sake of entertainment.  

I live in Illinois.  If I want to see people be punished for working for something, and witness those not as fortunate be given a head start, I can just go outside.  When I go to a sprint car race, I want to see the guys that earned the spot, get the spot.  If you want to catch up, work hard to catch up.  Period.  

This is the exact same argument going right now with my hometown's high school football team.  They want them to play up a class or 2 because they are sick of them dominating.  It's a close boundary school, with no scholarships or recruits.  Yet, because they are good, everyone wants them to be handcuffed.  How about everyone else coming up to their level vs. making them come down?  JMO

I can't stand this argument for the sake of entertainment.  

Exactly. It's called racing. If these complainers raced, and worked hard to have a fast car, they'd see it differently.

Exactly. It's called racing. If these complainers raced, and worked hard to have a fast car, they'd see it differently.

Sorry Willie i was trying reply to the grandstanders post. Giving the fans what they want  passing and racing is what brings them back telling them what they should want is what drives them away. 

Yeah it's all about the racers the grandstanders are just wallpaper right?