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blazer00
July 20, 2018 at 10:40:36 PM
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Posted By: railfan33 on July 20 2018 at 10:20:50 PM

How does  that compare to results for locals from other tracks?



No doubt the Outlaws have dominated every region and track they have been to over the years. The difference is the rest of the country admits it. I looked at the WG website and it's all there. Rather than split hairs, I'd give all the home growns a Posse count for a win vs the WoO even though there were years some of them won at the Grove while they were running with the Outlaws. Like Bobby Allen in the beginning, Keith Kauffman and Stevie Jr.........A fast count was around 138 WoO and 66 Posse. The drivers at Knoxville have probably fared second best against the Outlaws at home. Wolfgang and Lasoski won a lot of WoO races at Knoxville and both considered Knoxville home, even when they were running elswehere. So those two areas have fared the best. 



railfan33
July 20, 2018 at 10:59:39 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 20 2018 at 10:40:36 PM

No doubt the Outlaws have dominated every region and track they have been to over the years. The difference is the rest of the country admits it. I looked at the WG website and it's all there. Rather than split hairs, I'd give all the home growns a Posse count for a win vs the WoO even though there were years some of them won at the Grove while they were running with the Outlaws. Like Bobby Allen in the beginning, Keith Kauffman and Stevie Jr.........A fast count was around 138 WoO and 66 Posse. The drivers at Knoxville have probably fared second best against the Outlaws at home. Wolfgang and Lasoski won a lot of WoO races at Knoxville and both considered Knoxville home, even when they were running elswehere. So those two areas have fared the best. 



Rest of the country admits it? For most true Posse fans it has ALWAYS been about defending home turf. It’s been those folks who can’t win that argument that turn it into the ‘ yeh but you can’t win off the porch’ nonsense! I for one, from a purely selfish standpoint,prefer the posse teams not travel. Car counts are low at the Grove as it is.



railfan33
July 20, 2018 at 11:03:32 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 20 2018 at 10:06:06 PM

Good analysis. I used to get annoyed when they got less than 40 cars. 31 is a big time drop and cause for concern.



Here is another example. I just saw that Kyle Moody is at Thunder Mountain speedway tonight. That is in north western Pa and has to be about a 3 hour tow for them. Williams Grove is probably 20 minutes for them. Go figure. I’m guessing they felt they had a better chance of making the feature out there vs against the outlaws?!




dsc1600
July 20, 2018 at 11:40:22 PM
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It sucks because tomorrow’s purse (not that they’ll get it in with the forecast) is actually bigger the Lernervilles Silver Cup and if you take out the winners share, tomorrow actually pays a very similar purse to the National Open. Summer Nationals should always have 40 plus.



revjimk
July 21, 2018 at 02:55:37 AM
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Haha... Posse wins again...passes Schatz

3 of top 5 Posse, & Schuchart who races with Outlaws but has roots completely in Posse

http://www.williamsgrove.com/18results/18results7-20-18.htm



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July 21, 2018 at 08:35:21 AM
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Did Freddy break last night? See he finished way back in the B main.


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railfan33
July 21, 2018 at 10:01:20 AM
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Posted By: Kool Trikes on July 21 2018 at 08:35:21 AM

Did Freddy break last night? See he finished way back in the B main.



Late draw and didn’t TT well. Started in back of heat race and didn’t qualify.. Started 6th or 7 th in B main and was running in a qualifying position with 2 to go. I was standing in pits in 3 and 4 so didn’t see what happened but he dropped back to 7 th and was a DNQ. Chose not to take a provisional.



dsc1600
July 21, 2018 at 10:39:59 AM
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Posted By: railfan33 on July 21 2018 at 10:01:20 AM

Late draw and didn’t TT well. Started in back of heat race and didn’t qualify.. Started 6th or 7 th in B main and was running in a qualifying position with 2 to go. I was standing in pits in 3 and 4 so didn’t see what happened but he dropped back to 7 th and was a DNQ. Chose not to take a provisional.



TRoy Fraker was in the way of Sides, Zearfoss and Rahmer as they tried to lap Him, Sides checked up and the rest of them seem to as well and Marks went by Rahmer with a lap to go to take the last transfer spot. 



Big Right Ear
July 21, 2018 at 07:17:26 PM
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Congrats to the Posse on total domination over the Outlaws. Gotta give credit when it is due!

 




fiXXXer
July 21, 2018 at 08:01:02 PM
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Props to Williams Grove for having the track surface in perfect shape. That's how it's done. Greg Wilson didn't have such a great night but I sure as hell did. Awesome to see Lance get that historic 91st win against the WoO. When you look at the names on that list, it's a who's who and Lance is now all along at #1. It's a shame we lost the race tonight. Weather has been brutal for all of those WoO guys.



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July 21, 2018 at 08:17:26 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on July 21 2018 at 08:01:02 PM

Props to Williams Grove for having the track surface in perfect shape. That's how it's done. Greg Wilson didn't have such a great night but I sure as hell did. Awesome to see Lance get that historic 91st win against the WoO. When you look at the names on that list, it's a who's who and Lance is now all along at #1. It's a shame we lost the race tonight. Weather has been brutal for all of those WoO guys.



Is that really perfect shape? The bottom half of the track kind of came in towards the end but other than that it seemed like a freight train on the cushion from the broadcast. I've definitely seen worse but I've also seem much better. I'd classify it as kind of a line and a half?



BStrawser26
July 21, 2018 at 10:33:14 PM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 21 2018 at 08:17:26 PM

Is that really perfect shape? The bottom half of the track kind of came in towards the end but other than that it seemed like a freight train on the cushion from the broadcast. I've definitely seen worse but I've also seem much better. I'd classify it as kind of a line and a half?



Give me last nights track anyday!    Track was perfect all night long and it had a cushion that wasn't pounded to death by push trucks. 


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fiXXXer
July 21, 2018 at 10:51:27 PM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 21 2018 at 08:17:26 PM

Is that really perfect shape? The bottom half of the track kind of came in towards the end but other than that it seemed like a freight train on the cushion from the broadcast. I've definitely seen worse but I've also seem much better. I'd classify it as kind of a line and a half?



There was a bottom and a top. They didn't best the snot out of the cushion with water trucks. It wasn't dusty at all and it wasn't a cornfield. It had adequate moisture but it wasn't a rice paddy and at the end of the race, most of the rubber was still on the tires where it belongs instead of being burned on to the track surface. Don't know what more you could ask for. 



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Posted By: fiXXXer on July 21 2018 at 10:51:27 PM

There was a bottom and a top. They didn't best the snot out of the cushion with water trucks. It wasn't dusty at all and it wasn't a cornfield. It had adequate moisture but it wasn't a rice paddy and at the end of the race, most of the rubber was still on the tires where it belongs instead of being burned on to the track surface. Don't know what more you could ask for. 



Had to go back to watch highlights to make sure I wasn't going crazy - you're right on a lot of your points but I disagree about there being a bottom. The only time I saw it being used was by lappers being passed or a slider, like when the 69K parked it on the 15.



drw40
July 22, 2018 at 04:46:37 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on July 21 2018 at 10:51:27 PM

There was a bottom and a top. They didn't best the snot out of the cushion with water trucks. It wasn't dusty at all and it wasn't a cornfield. It had adequate moisture but it wasn't a rice paddy and at the end of the race, most of the rubber was still on the tires where it belongs instead of being burned on to the track surface. Don't know what more you could ask for. 



Not dusty?  Where did you sit?  I was in the pit belachers in turn 2 and was covered in dust.




fiXXXer
July 22, 2018 at 05:31:12 PM
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Posted By: drw40 on July 22 2018 at 04:46:37 PM

Not dusty?  Where did you sit?  I was in the pit belachers in turn 2 and was covered in dust.



Unless the wind is blowing at your back, you're always going to get dust there. I've sat there several times and it's often times a bit dirty. Every dirt track is dusty to some degree. What I was getting at, is that it wasn't dusty beyond reason like it was last week. It was a very good track surface but since it's Williams Grove, a lot of people don't want to talk about that yet will praise Port like the 2nd coming of Jesus no matter how good or bad it is. Williams Grove has been bad most of the time this year but this week, they found a nice balance and I'll give them credit where it's due. No track is ever 100% perfect but there's was very good this week. Hope it continues and Williams Grove can go back to being a great track like it once was.



Fordfairlane
July 22, 2018 at 06:51:49 PM
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Does anybody remember what RACING is? There was one pass in the heats, one in the feature. That whole night sucked. 

Could save everybody 4 hours and draw for finishing position. 



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July 22, 2018 at 07:47:55 PM
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Posted By: Fordfairlane on July 22 2018 at 06:51:49 PM

Does anybody remember what RACING is? There was one pass in the heats, one in the feature. That whole night sucked. 

Could save everybody 4 hours and draw for finishing position. 



You are wrong.  There was multiple passes in the feature....only one for the lead.  But that was a big one passing Schatz is not an easy task.   That track was perfect all night long!   There was some passing in the heats but not many in the top 3 or 4 positions.  

Just to name a few in the feature.

Dewease started 4th and Won.....started 6th in the Dash.

Schuchart started 11th and finished 5th

Wolfe started on the pole and finished 6th.

Gravel started 15th and finished 7th

Marks started 24th and finished 14th.

Just to name a few of them.......there were more but these are the ones I saw at first glance.  

 

 


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Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!


bgtexpress
July 22, 2018 at 08:25:38 PM
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Posted By: Fordfairlane on July 22 2018 at 06:51:49 PM

Does anybody remember what RACING is? There was one pass in the heats, one in the feature. That whole night sucked. 

Could save everybody 4 hours and draw for finishing position. 



Not sure what you want from attending a sprint car race? Me I want to be entertained. The last two races I attended at Williams Grove I came home satisifed and with a smile on my face. The Mitch Smith ( when Dewease's wing collapsed) and Friday night with Dewease (a local) passing the best sprint car driver in the world. The atmosphere alone, when a Posse driver beats an Outlaw is well worth the price of a ticket for me. The passion of the fans is second to none when the Outlaws come to town. I took a buddy who had not been to Williams Grove in ten years and when the checker flag waved he was grinning from ear to ear and asked when I was going again. I guess to each their own, but last week I saw three great races, Lernerville, Lincoln and Williams Grove.



fiXXXer
July 22, 2018 at 08:35:19 PM
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on July 22 2018 at 07:47:55 PM

You are wrong.  There was multiple passes in the feature....only one for the lead.  But that was a big one passing Schatz is not an easy task.   That track was perfect all night long!   There was some passing in the heats but not many in the top 3 or 4 positions.  

Just to name a few in the feature.

Dewease started 4th and Won.....started 6th in the Dash.

Schuchart started 11th and finished 5th

Wolfe started on the pole and finished 6th.

Gravel started 15th and finished 7th

Marks started 24th and finished 14th.

Just to name a few of them.......there were more but these are the ones I saw at first glance.  

 

 



Don't forget Sheldon. He started 20th and was up around 11th or 12th when his motor blew. He was actually doing a lot of his passing using the bottom which is something you don't often see from him or his dad.





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