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Topic: UMSS Traditional Sprints - Northern Renegades Wingless Sprints - Racesaver
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November 25, 2017 at
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Posted By: trecraft on November 23 2017 at 03:30:38 PM
We had ninety races on our first Racesaver engine. Started with a donated block and a 1971 Hilborn injection and a mag left over from our 360. Local engine builder. Ran with used Hoosiers and new American Racers until the RR Hoosier was required. Racesaver circuit has enabled us to run twenty different tracks in the past six years. Believer in winged racing especially when novice drivers are involved. Not a believer in fees and monopolies. Been a fun six years.
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Thats good to know, thanks.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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November 25, 2017 at
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Posted By: ryanhunsinger on November 23 2017 at 02:47:40 PM
At Ohsweken in Canada we have a 602 winged crate division. We use a 4 barrel holley. It's the cheapest most economical way to race a sprint car and when the track is slick Ohsweken is a fast 3/8" there is very little difference in lap times. When we started in 2014 we had average 12-14 cars every week and now we have 30-35 cars and a full b main every week. It's an amazing division. Dirtcar has tried to start something similar but they haven't really promoted it the way they should. It's called the prosprint division. We run an htc rr (same as the 360s use so we can get their used tires. If there are no other local sprint cars You can buy spec prosprint plated lr hoosiers foabout 150$ and rrs for $200.
The rules package we have is there are 3 authorized engine builders. Our 602s run an oval oilpan plus they need the back of the cam drilled, so they go to 1 of the 3 builders and while the pan is being changed and the cam drilled they inspect and seal them. Our tech guy inspects the seals all the time, check the valve spring pressure and checks the cams with the cam dr as well. also we have the option of sending any engine to the dyno at any time if anyone is winning "too much" (this has happened a few times and the engines were legal). Pace performance basically took our rules package and ised it to develop their sealed 602 for the dirtcar series. Only difference is they run an msd.
We use the stock hei distributor that comes free with the 602 with a small gel 12v battery and super cheap spec shoenfeld headers. No titanium except for inside the rearend (so if you buy a used rearend you don't have to rip it apart to check for ti. No "gas" shocks allowed so everyone pretty much runs reg pros or afcos. We run a max gear rule.
I know that everyone is always going to have differing opinions on this but I think this is the best thing that could happen to entry level sprint car racing. We get tons of wheelspin which is what you need to even everyone out and we only use 10-15 gallons of fuel a night. Some guys buy new tires but used tires work completely fine (I won 3 features in a row last year on a tire I got out of the garbage). The racing is super super competitive and tough. Because it's so cheap we've got car owners again who put drivers in their cars (there are 8-10 cars out of 35-40 that have seperate owners and drivers, not family members or anything, just car owners who put drivers in their cars) which is amazing because that is getting more and more rare. I've raced pretty much everything and I absolutely love this division. When the track is slick there's honestly very little difference between them and a 360. Motors generally last around 2 seasons (40-45 races) and then you can get a new 602 for 1/4 of the price of a good 360 rebuild. If you're looking for something to start from scratch in my opinion this is the way to go. You can find the races on YouTube by searching Ohsweken speedway crate sprints.
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Excellent information. How much power does the 602 make with a 4bbl? Love the part about winning features on a tire found in the trash bin.
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November 25, 2017 at
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Posted By: Michael_N on November 25 2017 at 01:06:25 PM
Excellent information. How much power does the 602 make with a 4bbl? Love the part about winning features on a tire found in the trash bin.
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To be honest I'm not exactly sure but I would guess around 415-425. I know that some of the high $ guys send their engines to be dynoed but we never have. The most important thing on a dirt track in terms of levelling the playing field is always going to be wheelspin and they definitely make enough hp to get plenty of wheelspin by feature time. Like I said, I absolutely love the division and in my opinion its the best thing that has happened to sprint car racing In terms of making it affordable. I also think that the racesaver deal is good in theory but the problem is racers can never police themselves so now we have special high dollar "305" injection systems and stuff which is not something that is needed. The only way to keep costs contained is to make a divisions rules completely foolproof from the start. Both 360s and 305s were created as "budget" divisions but unfortunately their rules were flawed from the start and now theyve went crazy. If theres a way for racers to ruin something by spending big money they will absolutely do it and both of these divisions (plus many many more divisions in both pavement and dirt racing) have proven that but I feel like this 602 crate division has a rules package that is foolproof.
There are guys at ohsweken who spend big big money (buy car, engine, and every single part brand new) and rarely qualify for the A main and there are guys like me who run older used stuff (I run a 2002 j&j) and I am usually fairly competitive (we've won 5 features in the last 2 years) so that right there proves that the formula works.
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November 25, 2017 at
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November 25, 2017 at
03:01:59 PM by Aces&Eights
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Posted By: Michael_N on November 25 2017 at 01:06:25 PM
Excellent information. How much power does the 602 make with a 4bbl? Love the part about winning features on a tire found in the trash bin.
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GM602 dyno's out w/4 barrel on alocohol @ 398HP/444TQ
Ready to go with everything included fro Pace is $7878.32 
http://paceperformance.com/i-23167727-gmp-19258602-spdx-pace-performance-dirt-car-sealed-base-dressed-602-sprint-car-crate-engine.html
Oil pan has to be changed for clearance.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0b4XwWedJXQ
With LS 5.3 that UMSS runs, it makes about 430 HP w/2 barrel and can be had much cheaper, unless you just have to a pro built one.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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November 25, 2017 at
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That's the pace performance setup. I know that 7800$ seems abit high when you consider the cost of the bare 602 engine but keep in mind thisis top to bottom everything brand new. Once you've bought everything if you blow a motor it's so cheap to get a new one And as this division grows, which it is, there will be used engines available cheaper.
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November 25, 2017 at
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November 25, 2017 at
09:33:30 PM by Aces&Eights
I hear what your saying, but I'm not keen to the idea that I could lay out $7900 for an engine and have it drop a valve 2 races in and now I've got to lay out another $4K+ because I'm not allowed to fix it. The valve springs on the 602 are junk and the LS is a better engine, even from a junk yard. Best of luck with the 602 class I hope it grows well, having more non-wing sprints running can't hurt. To me it makes more sense to allow more than 1 package like the Northern Renegades or the UMSS, the 602's are welcome to run with the UMSS and diversity is a good thing.
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
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