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ohReally?
November 12, 2016 at 03:37:04 PM
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I can even break it down easier for you Feese11:

If your candidate claimed the election was rigged and he would not accept the results unless he won, you can't be mad if his opposition doesn't accept the results when he won.

If your candidate encouraged protests after the 2012 election when a man he hated won by 5 million votes, you can't be upset when people to take to the streets to oppose his victory when he got fewer than half a million votes than his opponent.

If get indignant about the previous fact because “that's the system”, you must admit the electors can decide not to vote for him in December and could potentially and fairly put someone else in the White House in January.

You cannot point out the violence of the Trump protesters (who haven't necessarily pledged allegiance to any other candidate) as an example of how violent his opposition is, without pointing out the numerous instances of Trump supporters committing violence against police (Scott Greene in Iowa), African-Americans (arson in Greenville, MS), or the numerous other instances of attacks and threats against Muslims & Hispanics.

You cannot be upset when Trump's opposition spends the next four years investigating each and every thing he does after and obstructing everything he tries to do when your candidate's political party has done the same to a legitimately elected president for the last 8 years.

I'm not out there protesting and I think he legitimately won the election but this is Trump's America. He and his supporters built it and far be it from you or I to tell people that they can't practice what he preached.

Prepare for four years of obstruction. It's the new American way.



Feese11
November 12, 2016 at 03:51:56 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on November 12 2016 at 03:22:57 PM

You fired first! I simply called you out on it. Now you can of course object to the way the protests have taken place, and I don't condone the behavior, either. No more so than I have agreed with the way anti-abortionists have protested outside of clinics for women.....and especilially the killing of doctors and nurses who were performing legal procedures. It isn't just the left that has those who go to extremes. Somehow the right seems to forget that.



I agree.   There is blame on both sides no doubt.   The sad thing is these mobs of protesters in cities across the USA are protesting an election because they don't like who won like they expect a do over now.    What I would have understood would be if a mob of Bernie Sander's supporters took to the streets after it became clear that the fix was in for Hillary.   Bernie Sanders stood a great chance of beating Hillary for the nomination but had no chance because of the stacked deck of super delagates in Hillary's pocket along with the crooked DNC.   We can pick back up on this discussion several years from now after Trump has had time to fairly be judged.    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9lm-T87AQ



Feese11
November 12, 2016 at 04:54:13 PM
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Posted By: ohReally? on November 12 2016 at 03:37:04 PM

I can even break it down easier for you Feese11:

If your candidate claimed the election was rigged and he would not accept the results unless he won, you can't be mad if his opposition doesn't accept the results when he won.

If your candidate encouraged protests after the 2012 election when a man he hated won by 5 million votes, you can't be upset when people to take to the streets to oppose his victory when he got fewer than half a million votes than his opponent.

If get indignant about the previous fact because “that's the system”, you must admit the electors can decide not to vote for him in December and could potentially and fairly put someone else in the White House in January.

You cannot point out the violence of the Trump protesters (who haven't necessarily pledged allegiance to any other candidate) as an example of how violent his opposition is, without pointing out the numerous instances of Trump supporters committing violence against police (Scott Greene in Iowa), African-Americans (arson in Greenville, MS), or the numerous other instances of attacks and threats against Muslims & Hispanics.

You cannot be upset when Trump's opposition spends the next four years investigating each and every thing he does after and obstructing everything he tries to do when your candidate's political party has done the same to a legitimately elected president for the last 8 years.

I'm not out there protesting and I think he legitimately won the election but this is Trump's America. He and his supporters built it and far be it from you or I to tell people that they can't practice what he preached.

Prepare for four years of obstruction. It's the new American way.



No, prepare for eight years of law and order where the commander in chief has the backs of law enforcement so they can confidently do their jobs they have been trained to do.    Prepare for eight years of our military being allowed to win when they are asked to fight.   Prepare for eight years of illegals being deported back to where they came from.    Prepare for eight years of Isis being destroyed as USA takes the fight to them like nothing they have ever seen.   Prepare for eight years of our Veterans finally receiving the first class care they deserve.   Prepare for eight years of black lives matter being put in their place when they break the law.   Prepare for eight years of a booming economy where government gets off the backs of businesses and allows them to grow.    Prepare for eight years of lower taxes across the board where people have extra income to spend as they choose.   Prepare for eight years of a booming energy industry in the USA leading to tons of high paying jobs and an end to us relying on the middle east for oil.  Prepare for eight years of Donald Trump standing tall with our allies and having the back of Israel.    Prepare for eight years of Donald Trump being respected around the world and NEVER bowing to other world leaders like Obama has done repeatedly which is embarrassing.   Under Obama our allies don't trust us and our enemies don't fear us.   Under Trump our allies will regain trust and our enemies will still hate us but they will damn well fear us again.    As far as all of the insults you hurled my way I am not going to get into a mud slinging contest as it will never end.     God bless the USA!




revjimk
November 12, 2016 at 05:08:44 PM
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Prepare for invading more countries that never did anything to us?

Prepare for cops killing more unarmed people?

Prepare for more "Rich get richer, poor get poorer"?

Or maybe he's just BSing Republicans like he BSed investors, suppliers & contractors who trusted him before each of his 4 bankruptcies....

 



revjimk
November 12, 2016 at 05:13:43 PM
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We're going to see Donald Trump's plan to destroy ISIS, which I assume is to buy it and run it like his casinos



blazer00
November 12, 2016 at 05:46:59 PM
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Posted By: Feese11 on November 12 2016 at 03:51:56 PM

I agree.   There is blame on both sides no doubt.   The sad thing is these mobs of protesters in cities across the USA are protesting an election because they don't like who won like they expect a do over now.    What I would have understood would be if a mob of Bernie Sander's supporters took to the streets after it became clear that the fix was in for Hillary.   Bernie Sanders stood a great chance of beating Hillary for the nomination but had no chance because of the stacked deck of super delagates in Hillary's pocket along with the crooked DNC.   We can pick back up on this discussion several years from now after Trump has had time to fairly be judged.    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1d9lm-T87AQ



I love it! There you go celebrating everything that you think is wrong with a party you choose not to affiliate yourself with. You say you condone mob type protesets if and when it's what you determine to be proper. What a hypacrite! You seem to sway with the breeze.

As for your later post about what to look forward to for the next eight years, you forgot one. Look forward to more of the same as the congress is STILL controlled by your party, and now has a billionaire partner in the White House. 




blazer00
November 12, 2016 at 05:51:16 PM
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Maybe in fact the country actually elected Pence. I'm not so sure that Trump will ever have a real clue as to the vastness of the presidency, and therefore end up controlled by the party.



Feese11
November 12, 2016 at 06:07:04 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on November 12 2016 at 05:46:59 PM

I love it! There you go celebrating everything that you think is wrong with a party you choose not to affiliate yourself with. You say you condone mob type protesets if and when it's what you determine to be proper. What a hypacrite! You seem to sway with the breeze.

As for your later post about what to look forward to for the next eight years, you forgot one. Look forward to more of the same as the congress is STILL controlled by your party, and now has a billionaire partner in the White House. 



Wrong blazer!   I am against any mob type protests where businesses are destroyed and innocent people are attacked for driving down the street no matter what the reason.    I have no problem with people protesting within the law on any issue they feel they need to.    I was simply trying to point out rioting in the streets because you do not like the election results makes zero sense to me and there is no way to justify it.   However I could see a bunch of Bernie supporters getting so pissed off over the way Bernie was screwed out of the nomination to where they would want to protest and get rowdy.   That still does not excuse rioting nor would I ever support it.         



Feese11
November 12, 2016 at 06:13:12 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on November 12 2016 at 05:51:16 PM

Maybe in fact the country actually elected Pence. I'm not so sure that Trump will ever have a real clue as to the vastness of the presidency, and therefore end up controlled by the party.



The Country elected Trump to lead the way and Pence is a great wingman.    Donald Trump will win in a landslide for his second term.    Mike Pence will follow that with eight of his own.    




Johnny Utah
November 12, 2016 at 06:23:15 PM
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Posted By: Feese11 on November 12 2016 at 04:54:13 PM

No, prepare for eight years of law and order where the commander in chief has the backs of law enforcement so they can confidently do their jobs they have been trained to do.    Prepare for eight years of our military being allowed to win when they are asked to fight.   Prepare for eight years of illegals being deported back to where they came from.    Prepare for eight years of Isis being destroyed as USA takes the fight to them like nothing they have ever seen.   Prepare for eight years of our Veterans finally receiving the first class care they deserve.   Prepare for eight years of black lives matter being put in their place when they break the law.   Prepare for eight years of a booming economy where government gets off the backs of businesses and allows them to grow.    Prepare for eight years of lower taxes across the board where people have extra income to spend as they choose.   Prepare for eight years of a booming energy industry in the USA leading to tons of high paying jobs and an end to us relying on the middle east for oil.  Prepare for eight years of Donald Trump standing tall with our allies and having the back of Israel.    Prepare for eight years of Donald Trump being respected around the world and NEVER bowing to other world leaders like Obama has done repeatedly which is embarrassing.   Under Obama our allies don't trust us and our enemies don't fear us.   Under Trump our allies will regain trust and our enemies will still hate us but they will damn well fear us again.    As far as all of the insults you hurled my way I am not going to get into a mud slinging contest as it will never end.     God bless the USA!



Easy on the rhetoric, Hoss.  I'll address a few of your points.

1. Police have always had support, but as it was stated earlier, the public is demanding a higher standard and more accountability.  I don't see anything wrong with that.  You're a white male, correct? Wait, don't answer that, I already know the answer based on your last post.  Don't worry, your interactions with police will remain unchanged.  Fret not.

2. What does "winning a war" actually mean to you?  Do you mean total destruction of your opponent? If so, we havent won a war in a long time.  It's a difficult question that goes all the way back to when Truman fought a limited war in Korea.  (Korea still remains divided) Did we win 'Nam? (Vietnam fell to the Communists) Did we win the first Gulf War? (Saddam Hussein remained in power) What about the second Gulf Conflict?  Remember the "Mission Accomplished" banner hanging behind President Bush in 2004? 

3. You do know Barack Hussein Obama (as you refer to him) has deported more people than any other President in history.  Do you?

4. So you support a "boots on the ground" campaign in Syria?  Interesting.  How'd that work out twice in Iraq and Afghanistan?  I don't think a majority of Americans would be in favor of an invasion.  I could be wrong though.

5. Our veterans do need to have excellent care when they return home.  They deserve it.  Hey we agree on something!

6. "Put in their place"??  I love racially coded language like that.  If they break the law currently, they are held accountable. 

7. Fewer regulations on business will improve the economy?  That's a philosophical question that we could debate all damn day.  Frankly, I don't trust businessmen without having someone check over their shoulder a time or two.  Every hear of the Gilded Age (that's just one example)? Great for few, shitty for many. 

8. Trump's proposed tax cuts have been shown to not be economically feasible.  Not even close.  If you cut revenues coming into the country by trillions of dollars, you think deficits and debts are bad now??  Just wait.  I dont think Congress would ever, in a million years, approve his tax cuts as they are currently written.

9. I'd like to see us not be need Middle Eastern oil, but if you think that area is awful now, wait until we no longer demand their only resource.

10. As a country, it's okay to show some humility now and again.  You don't always have to be the big swinging dick in the room.  When you walk around with that type of arrogance constantly, it fosters a bunch of hatred.  It festers and festers and finally explodes.

11. I think our allies are content with our support.  I also believe other nations do not want to start a war with us.  I mean our military spending dwarfs everybody else.  We spend more than the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth ranked countries combined.  Contrary to your belief, we are still a force to be reckoned with.

12. I don't need an invisible deity to bless country, or myself, but hey, to each his own.

I'm not a Democrat, but I think its ridiculous that the Republicans were obstructionists for roughly eight years, and get rewarded by being given control of the House, Senate, and eventually SCOTUS.  Your candidate won, congratulations.



Johnny Utah
November 12, 2016 at 06:24:14 PM
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Posted By: Feese11 on November 12 2016 at 06:13:12 PM

The Country elected Trump to lead the way and Pence is a great wingman.    Donald Trump will win in a landslide for his second term.    Mike Pence will follow that with eight of his own.    



Hahahaha.  Now you're just trolling, dude.



Feese11
November 12, 2016 at 07:51:56 PM
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Posted By: Johnny Utah on November 12 2016 at 06:23:15 PM

Easy on the rhetoric, Hoss.  I'll address a few of your points.

1. Police have always had support, but as it was stated earlier, the public is demanding a higher standard and more accountability.  I don't see anything wrong with that.  You're a white male, correct? Wait, don't answer that, I already know the answer based on your last post.  Don't worry, your interactions with police will remain unchanged.  Fret not.

2. What does "winning a war" actually mean to you?  Do you mean total destruction of your opponent? If so, we havent won a war in a long time.  It's a difficult question that goes all the way back to when Truman fought a limited war in Korea.  (Korea still remains divided) Did we win 'Nam? (Vietnam fell to the Communists) Did we win the first Gulf War? (Saddam Hussein remained in power) What about the second Gulf Conflict?  Remember the "Mission Accomplished" banner hanging behind President Bush in 2004? 

3. You do know Barack Hussein Obama (as you refer to him) has deported more people than any other President in history.  Do you?

4. So you support a "boots on the ground" campaign in Syria?  Interesting.  How'd that work out twice in Iraq and Afghanistan?  I don't think a majority of Americans would be in favor of an invasion.  I could be wrong though.

5. Our veterans do need to have excellent care when they return home.  They deserve it.  Hey we agree on something!

6. "Put in their place"??  I love racially coded language like that.  If they break the law currently, they are held accountable. 

7. Fewer regulations on business will improve the economy?  That's a philosophical question that we could debate all damn day.  Frankly, I don't trust businessmen without having someone check over their shoulder a time or two.  Every hear of the Gilded Age (that's just one example)? Great for few, shitty for many. 

8. Trump's proposed tax cuts have been shown to not be economically feasible.  Not even close.  If you cut revenues coming into the country by trillions of dollars, you think deficits and debts are bad now??  Just wait.  I dont think Congress would ever, in a million years, approve his tax cuts as they are currently written.

9. I'd like to see us not be need Middle Eastern oil, but if you think that area is awful now, wait until we no longer demand their only resource.

10. As a country, it's okay to show some humility now and again.  You don't always have to be the big swinging dick in the room.  When you walk around with that type of arrogance constantly, it fosters a bunch of hatred.  It festers and festers and finally explodes.

11. I think our allies are content with our support.  I also believe other nations do not want to start a war with us.  I mean our military spending dwarfs everybody else.  We spend more than the second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, and eighth ranked countries combined.  Contrary to your belief, we are still a force to be reckoned with.

12. I don't need an invisible deity to bless country, or myself, but hey, to each his own.

I'm not a Democrat, but I think its ridiculous that the Republicans were obstructionists for roughly eight years, and get rewarded by being given control of the House, Senate, and eventually SCOTUS.  Your candidate won, congratulations.



Well written Johhny Utah.  Though we don't agree on most things completely I understand your points which were well made.   

2. Yes winning a war to me is total destruction of the enemy.  

3. Yes I know that.   I also know more illegals have flooded into the USA under Obama's watch. 

4. In Syria I support whatever saves the innocent Syrian people from continuing to be slaughtered.   If that means boots on the ground to go in and get the job done then yes.   Obama set a red line which was crossed and then pussed out.  Trump will rely on intel from his experts and move accordingly.

5. Love our Vets.   They have been treated like crap under a corrupt VA system.   Very sad.   Trump will fix it.

6. No currently under an Obama administration BLM has beem allowed to burn cities down (Ferguson, Mo.) while law enforcement stood by and watched.   And to think that Obama and his corrupt media ran with the lie that Michael Brown was a helpless victim with his hands up when the officer shot him.   Michael Brown had just robbed a conveinence store and was walking down the middle of the road when the officer approached.   Michael Brown then reached inside the officer's car and fought for his gun when he was shot.   He then started to run away but returned to attack the officer a second time.   The officer had no choice but to shoot him in self defense.   Did you know that?    BLM has been allowed to take over the streets whenever they have wanted and shut down traffic for hours at a time before police have been allowed to clear them out.   Did you know that?    No coded language.   Laws are laws and apply to everyone...except Hillary.

7. Yes.   Obama has treated businesses like they are the enemy.   "You didn't build that!"    Remember that line of bs from Obama?    Trump will cut corporate tax rates to 15% from a current 35% giving bussinesses a reason to stay in the USA and others to return.   You'll see.

8. Trump's tax cuts will work.   By year three you will see the economy growing at 4 -6% rate and the tax revenue generated from that new growth will off set the lost revenue from tax cuts.    And our Country will be booming.

9. The middle east is in shambles thanks to Obama.   Iran now controls Iraq and Russia controls Syria.   

10. The USA is still the superpower though Obama has chopped us off at the knee's.  Somebody needs to be the leader of the free world and that is not arrogance.

11. Yes we are despite Obama depleting our military.   Trump will rebuild our military back to the necessary levels.

12. Obama had the house and Senate for first two years.   He also thumbed his nose at the constitution by skirting Congress on many occassions with his executive orders.   Trump will reverse most everything Obama signed into law.

 




PowerSlave
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November 12, 2016 at 08:37:26 PM
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Math and civics are quite difficult for some people. America's educational system showing it's true colors.


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Feese11
November 13, 2016 at 06:37:13 AM
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Math and civics are quite difficult for some people. America's educational system showing it's true colors.



And unfortunately english is difficult for some people as well.   If you start today PowerSlave maybe you could work up to a three sentence response by the time I get back from a two week vacation.



PowerSlave
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Posted By: Feese11 on November 13 2016 at 06:37:13 AM

And unfortunately english is difficult for some people as well.   If you start today PowerSlave maybe you could work up to a three sentence response by the time I get back from a two week vacation.



And, unfortunately, english is difficult for some people as well. If you start today, PowerSlave, maybe you could work up to a three sentence response by the time I get back from a two week vacation. There, I corrected your english for you. Apparently, it is difficult for some.


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sprintcarfanatic
November 13, 2016 at 08:01:42 AM
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Why don't they "Protest" all the Media outlets that lied to them. Yeah go ahead & burn them down. The Media tells or writes what they want you to think, when you start burning buildings & other crap you have went beyond "Protesting".

Our local news showed a cop pushing a moped. Now you think thats it, big deal. Except if you actually watched it you'd have clearly seen it was a mini bike.

Remember another 1 with them saying it was a circular saw when it was clearly a reciprocating saw. Small potatoe's I know but you see the effect it has on a bigger scale, no.





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