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I didn't read anywhere saying they are paying him show up money...they just have a better purse.

Why do you think they are paying TMAC show up money?  I don't think they are.  The release doesn't say they are.  Confused...

Why not just race 410's on Saturday and Sunday at Badlands, maybe add 360's to one of those nights, or not at all( yes I know about MSTS, this is purely hypothetical). This might sound stupid but think about it...

Chuck seems to be far from conventional, doesn't care about anybody else, and wants a crowd on both Saturday and Sunday. I don't see it working out well anyway so, why not swing for the fence.

You've had a ton of dipshit posts  over your career but this one takes the cake. 

Nothing on Sunday? They still have a $2,500 to win 360 show (that's twice as much as your Knoxville 360 purse).

This is just the first domino to fall. There will be more to come.  Cant wait for the 24 and 17a all summer long. 

BIG J

"Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

Edit-this was supposed to be a reply to vande77's post.

As far as Dobmeier is concerned - this only helps him. Last year he backed off his schedule by not attending Knoxville regularly. Having a good chance to win $5000 at Badlands on a Sat night and only having to tow 6 hours for that (+tow $) is a great opportunity for someone like him to resume regular Sat night racing.  Not only that, but now he isn't getting home at 6am on Monday mornings and having to be at work by 7am - instead he gets Sundays off to spend with his family.  Dobby and TMac will be putting on one hell of a show this summer at Badlands racing for that $5000 to win every Sat night!

Does this impact the NSL sanction of the front row challenge Given how attached at the hip they are with Knoxville.

No. It's been pretty common knowledge for quite some time what McCarl was going to do. It was known when they inked the deal between the FRC and the NSL.

Apples to apples...

Does the NSL/Knoxville $5000 depend on if you are full time NSL member? Or is it $3000 for the non NSL members?

That requirement was dropped. All teams race for the same purse. These NSL/Knoxville payouts are for the NSL/Knoxville events. Knoxville only events have a different purse...z

Big J

I don't consider a 360 race on a Sunday as a plus for any of these teams as these teams are primarily 410 teams that only run a 360 when necessary (BWW car is the only one that I am aware of that even owned their own 360 engines.  Everyone else got them loaned to them (McCarl's from Don Long at Searsboro Telephone Company which is based in the Knoxville area, be interesting if he still gets the use of that engine now that he won't be in Knoxville to race weekly)).  That Sunday night purse should be being used to help the full-time and part-time 360 teams in the Sioux Falls area IMO (if they ran 360 and 410 on the same night but didn't let drivers double dip, Huset's would probably pick up some new teams and drivers for their weekly show).  They lost a night of 410 racing any way you slice it.

Dobmeier nor Zomer raced at Knoxville full-time last year, nor did the 17a of Austin McCarl, nor did the 3 of Kaeding.  So to say these are dominos falling seems like a big stretch to me.

I don't fault McCarl for chasing the paycheck that obviously is coming from Chuck for him to show up.  Nor do I blame him for racing closer to or in front of a majority of his sponsors (that makes good business sense). 

The purse breakdown that Chuck Z. posted tells you all you need to know.  Terry is touting the purse, yet it's LESS than what he could race for closer to home.

I feel bad for all the teams, they lost 1 night of racing for good money every week all summer long.

So, tell me, how is the loss of a night of 410 racing for the 410 race teams in Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, South Dakota and North Dakota good for the sport?  The simple answer is that it isn't.

TMAC stated "I can be bought" during the press conferences for Badlands.  He made no bones about it that whoever was willing to shell out cash would see him every week.

When you look at the purse breakdowns between Badlands and Knoxville, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that the only way the $$ is more lucrative to drive 5 hours from home is if there is a lot of show up $$$ or sponsorship $$$ involved since the purse at Knoxville pays more $$ for every position over what Badlands is paying except the winners share is the same.  It just doesn't make sense financially.  Even with the show up $$ in their press release, you figure most of that is used up in diesel and wear and tear on the truck and trailer every week, so where is the financial incentive without a big check?

As I stated in another post, TMAC doesn't own a 360, the one he has been using belongs to Don Long at Searsboro Telephone Company in Searsboro, IA.  you'd think he'd want to watch his engines racing at home every week (and usually does with Brian Brown and Joe Beaver weekly).

Did he pick up a sponsor with a 360 engine to race on Sundays too?  If so, great business decision on his part to race both nights up there.  If he ends up only racing Saturday night, it's a "head scratcher".

How much does Knoxville and NSL pay tow money to all of their drivers that race? 

It's not a head scratcher at all.  You left out the biggest difference. My -12 back up motor should be fine for badlands. It will go 25 nights before I have to freshen it. The rebuild will be as minimal as they get.  On the other hand a 283-5-4 motor or it's equal will get the shit turned out of it and need a freshen after 10 or maybe 15 nights at knoxville. The freshen cost on the fragile top tier motor will buy a motor capable of winning on a short track like badlands. A 10000 freshen for a good knoxville motor is a 1000 night based on 10 nights.  6000 for 25 nights works out to 280 a night . I'll bet more motors puke their guts all over knoxville than badlands. So yes the middle of the purse is softer but running costs are alot cheaper. The big tracks are harder on everything. You have to cycle parts alot faster or they will fail.

I won't believe it's so until Bill W. says it's so!!

"...How much does Knoxville and NSL pay tow money to all of their drivers that race?..."

With the nightly purse increasing by more than $13,000 from last season we have eliminated tow money for 2016...z

That purse for the Gold Cup Final is pathetic. If this is Chuck Brennan's answer to the Knoxville Nationals, he's more of a dumb ass than I thought. $50,000 to win looks good but shit, 10th place basically pays a hot dog and a hand shake. That race doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence with the nationals especially considering the ridiculous admission prices he's charging. I feel bad for all the fans at Huset's Speedway because I have a feeling this guy is going to be bad news. I don't blame Terry however for racing there if he's being paid big money to do so. First and foremost, he has to take care of himself and I think any of us would do the same thing if we were in his position.

I cannot fathom how so many of you find this to be a bad deal...  Compition is what makes the world go around.  BMS steps up the pay and other track or series have to step up if they want to play...  It's creating conversation all over about sprint car racing.  Why do you think hotels are many times built near other hotels.  The same can be said with restaurants. It will help put more money in the drivers pockets,  and with empty pockets they will not race.  More  exposure of sprint car racing will only help drivers get more  sponsorship. Knoxville will do just fine.  The NSL will do just fine.  BMS will do just fine. 

Bottom line.....  The teams will benefit because of the purses at every track,  and sprint car racing in the midwest will be the best it has been in many years! 

Well that sounds a lot like sex panther. Where it only works 60% of the time. But then again I would never show up to a news station without a show up fee. 

I cant wait for these Badlands sell outs to go to Jackson on a Friday night steal some of Tod Queerings money then head over to Badlands Motor Speedway for their weekly 2 day show were any of those Southern Iowa drivers can make $8900 on any given weekend. 

Also I think Germans founded the NSL....which means "whales vagina" 

If 2k is a hotdog and a hand shake.....  you should swing by and drop 2k in my mailbox....  And where did Chuck say this was his answer to the Nationals....