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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: egras on May 25 2018 at 08:06:31 AM
Quote from the Badlands website:
For the armchair loser internet trolls who think they have insider information and pretend to be an authority on the subject, this is NOT just a ploy to try and push one of the buyers into a quicker sale. There will NOT be an extremely high auction reserve or ghost bidders. In fact there will either be a very minimal reserve or no reserve at all. This sale will happen and it is our goal to get this track into the hands of a great business owner or operator who can take this amazing project to the next level.
Very, very professional for an official press release. Yikes. This very paragraph almost has me thinking the website was hacked. Now you don't know whether or not to take it seriously. ????? What kind of business uses this approach when advertising a sale of this magnitude? I can't believe I read it.
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A business ran by an egotistical insecure person who is starved for approval with everything they do because they have had things handed to them for years. Actually I stopped reading the message after I read "For the armchair loser internet trolls who think they have insider information and pretend to be an authority on the subject." Which is why I missed the part about there not being an "extremely" high auction reserve and thank you Murphy for pointing that out.
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: StanM on May 25 2018 at 10:18:05 AM
You don't really know what you've got until it's a done deal. The new owners could do an about face and start promoting Late Models and Modifieds, IMCA, USRA or WISSOTA classes. They might look at that 14-16 with the higher purse as unsustainable, especially after being idle for close to two years. It's not over until it's over. Not every promoter is committed to supporting Sprint Cars.
I would hope that the best alternative becomes the reality but I've seen a lot of unexpected twists in my 66 trips around the sun. 
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Fingers crossed for Sprint Cars!
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May 25, 2018 at
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For those wondering about 410 sprints and Husets.......I think the deal maker is Jackson on Friday nights. In the past as the car counts diminished at Husets, Jackson had no 410 class. They ran only 360's for sprints and ran Saturday nights. I'm remainig optimistic!
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May 25, 2018 at
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Just a couple thoughts. You guys down there have a President who is very non-political in his approach. SOme people love that while others hate him for it. Here is a race promoter/track owner who is very un political. Seems that he also is either hated or loved for it. It definetly does sound weird to list the toilet paper as an asset included in the total turn key purchase but it sure gets the point across. If you were wondering if the hand tools are included, I bet they are. I personally like the idea of hearing answers instead of political statements.
They both come across as unpolished business men who havent succumbed to playing the roll.
I like the idea of a tri state point system with bonuses for winning 2 or 3 in a weekend. That should keep car counts up. Could also include a bonus for random things like consistency, if you are 5th 2 out of 3 nights give some bonus, that way the elite teams or not the only ones to benefit and the secondary group will follow, maybe.
1st big race is the Homecoming 100 or something like that to invite back and honor the past participants and get them back into the mood to race in Brandon.
Seeing this track on the web, it looks awesome. Would love to see it get rolling so I can try to attend some time.
Ohio tracks are just too far from Sask and one more in the Dakotas would make a road trip much better.
Even though I may not know you, I
care what most of you think!
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: Nick14 on May 25 2018 at 10:43:39 AM
A business ran by an egotistical insecure person who is starved for approval with everything they do because they have had things handed to them for years. Actually I stopped reading the message after I read "For the armchair loser internet trolls who think they have insider information and pretend to be an authority on the subject." Which is why I missed the part about there not being an "extremely" high auction reserve and thank you Murphy for pointing that out.
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To be honest, I didn't pay much attention to the trolls part the first time I read it because I was laughing too hard.
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: StanM on May 25 2018 at 10:18:05 AM
You don't really know what you've got until it's a done deal. The new owners could do an about face and start promoting Late Models and Modifieds, IMCA, USRA or WISSOTA classes. They might look at that 14-16 with the higher purse as unsustainable, especially after being idle for close to two years. It's not over until it's over. Not every promoter is committed to supporting Sprint Cars.
I would hope that the best alternative becomes the reality but I've seen a lot of unexpected twists in my 66 trips around the sun.
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What's that line from the movie Wayne's World? "Yeah- and monkeys might fly out of my butt too!" 
Stranger things have happened but I don't expect stock car only races to be a big hit in an area that used to offer 5 tracks racing sprint cars on a weekly basis and 2 more that put on an occasional sprint car special. Late models and A-Mods have never been very hot around here.
Whoever buys the track will have their work cut out for them. That's a discussion for another day.
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May 25, 2018 at
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One of the first thoughts I had when I heard they were auctioning it off was, what if the Rubins threw their hat in the ring and were able to buy it back for equal or less than they sold it for. I shuddered at the thought of them getting a WAY nicer version of the track they used to run (for next to nothing) and continue their ways of screwing over racers and fans. Then I figured that Chuck would set a reserve high enough that the unthinkable couldn't happen. It appears now that this is still in play... yikes
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: Murphy on May 25 2018 at 11:14:07 AM
What's that line from the movie Wayne's World? "Yeah- and monkeys might fly out of my butt too!"
Stranger things have happened but I don't expect stock car only races to be a big hit in an area that used to offer 5 tracks racing sprint cars on a weekly basis and 2 more that put on an occasional sprint car special. Late models and A-Mods have never been very hot around here.
Whoever buys the track will have their work cut out for them. That's a discussion for another day.
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From a business perspective 14-16 cars with a high purse structure isn't exactly a stellar program. All of these Sprint Car tracks up here are like lone beacons of open wheel racing surrounded by 10x as many that run Stock Cars and Mods. The direction they go will depend entirely on who steps up as the buyer. Deer Creek is one example of a track somewhat nearby that offers an entirely different lineup.
I'm just the devil's advocate on this one. Obviously I'm here on a Sprint Car board discussing this so you know where my loyalties are.
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May 25, 2018 at
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They should pave it and have real racing.
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: StanM on May 25 2018 at 12:14:01 PM
From a business perspective 14-16 cars with a high purse structure isn't exactly a stellar program. All of these Sprint Car tracks up here are like lone beacons of open wheel racing surrounded by 10x as many that run Stock Cars and Mods. The direction they go will depend entirely on who steps up as the buyer. Deer Creek is one example of a track somewhat nearby that offers an entirely different lineup.
I'm just the devil's advocate on this one. Obviously I'm here on a Sprint Car board discussing this so you know where my loyalties are.
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Well.....14-16 sprint cars and a (relatively) larger crowd verses no sprint cars and a (relatively) smaller crowd.
The best analogy I can come up with is if the Vikings left Minnesota and Not-the-Dome field was converted over to soccer. Good luck. If I were seriously looking at buying the track and running only fendered cars, I think my banker would tell me to bid about 8 bucks if I were to have much chance to succeed.
Husets for the last dozen years or so has been successful with a program of 410's, 360's LMSS & hobby stocks. LMSS and hobby stock there do put on some good racing; however it's the sprint cars that typically have brought in the crowd. At high tide they ran 410's, 360's, IMCA sprints and LMSS. Times change.
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: sprintfast on May 25 2018 at 12:32:49 PM
They should pave it and have real racing.
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Dirt is for racing. Pavement is for getting there.....
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May 25, 2018 at
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I have read many posts blasting Chuck regarding the operation and closing of Badlands. My questions are: from whom did Chuck purchase Badlands? How long after the purchase did Chuck operate Badlands ? Why do we not castigate the individual who took Chuck's money and ran to the level of hate as we do Chuck ?
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: sonoranrat on May 25 2018 at 08:01:50 PM
I have read many posts blasting Chuck regarding the operation and closing of Badlands. My questions are: from whom did Chuck purchase Badlands? How long after the purchase did Chuck operate Badlands ? Why do we not castigate the individual who took Chuck's money and ran to the level of hate as we do Chuck ?
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Presuming those are honest questions, I'll offer some honest answers, and try to be subjective.
Chuck bought Husets Speedway from the Rubin family who had run it for 25-30 years. There was a lot of animosity towards the Rubins for a number of years. I figure they were tired and ready to retire.
No one knows what Chuck paid for the facility. At the press conference he held the fall before his grand opening he explained his vision of Badlands Speedway being something of an entertainment center featuring car racing, rock concerts and whatever.
Chuck then spent a LOT OF MONEY on the facility. It's unclear how much, but it was substantial. I'm afraid he went overboard. I'll swear that every time a number was thrown out there it got a million dollars bigger.
After that, he made a lot of rookie mistakes, which turned a lot of people against him. A lot of those mistakes seemed to do with his ego and his mouth:
*He decided to run run 410 sprints on Saturday in direct conflict of Knoxville- a place that a fair amount of drivers and fans went to on Saturday nights
*He talked disparigingly about Knoxville and gloated when Knoxville had a lower car count than he did, even putting that up on his big screens-tacky.
*He had a tussle of sorts with the NSL
*He alienated the owner of Jackson Speedway
*He hired the promoter from Hartford Speedway and got him to shutter his track.
*He doesn't seem to play well with others and has a tendency to prove that a lot with his words and actions.
*The track had some policies that were not fan friendly- Need to go out to the car to get a jcaket for your kid? You'll have to buy another ticket to get back in.
*When things didn't go as well as planned, he shut the operation down after the first race of the second season, blaming it on a go-around with his highly respected safety crew.
In the end, Chuck Breenen single-handedly killed local racing.
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Posted By: Murphy on May 25 2018 at 08:38:22 PM
Presuming those are honest questions, I'll offer some honest answers, and try to be subjective.
Chuck bought Husets Speedway from the Rubin family who had run it for 25-30 years. There was a lot of animosity towards the Rubins for a number of years. I figure they were tired and ready to retire.
No one knows what Chuck paid for the facility. At the press conference he held the fall before his grand opening he explained his vision of Badlands Speedway being something of an entertainment center featuring car racing, rock concerts and whatever.
Chuck then spent a LOT OF MONEY on the facility. It's unclear how much, but it was substantial. I'm afraid he went overboard. I'll swear that every time a number was thrown out there it got a million dollars bigger.
After that, he made a lot of rookie mistakes, which turned a lot of people against him. A lot of those mistakes seemed to do with his ego and his mouth:
*He decided to run run 410 sprints on Saturday in direct conflict of Knoxville- a place that a fair amount of drivers and fans went to on Saturday nights
*He talked disparigingly about Knoxville and gloated when Knoxville had a lower car count than he did, even putting that up on his big screens-tacky.
*He had a tussle of sorts with the NSL
*He alienated the owner of Jackson Speedway
*He hired the promoter from Hartford Speedway and got him to shutter his track.
*He doesn't seem to play well with others and has a tendency to prove that a lot with his words and actions.
*The track had some policies that were not fan friendly- Need to go out to the car to get a jcaket for your kid? You'll have to buy another ticket to get back in.
*When things didn't go as well as planned, he shut the operation down after the first race of the second season, blaming it on a go-around with his highly respected safety crew.
In the end, Chuck Breenen single-handedly killed local racing.
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Is the subjective part coming yet?
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Posted By: Green18 on May 25 2018 at 10:08:36 PM
Is the subjective part coming yet?
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How else would you explain what took place? Just curious. He could have mentioned the highest priced concessions, too, but he didn't.
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Posted By: Murphy on May 25 2018 at 08:38:22 PM
Presuming those are honest questions, I'll offer some honest answers, and try to be subjective.
Chuck bought Husets Speedway from the Rubin family who had run it for 25-30 years. There was a lot of animosity towards the Rubins for a number of years. I figure they were tired and ready to retire.
No one knows what Chuck paid for the facility. At the press conference he held the fall before his grand opening he explained his vision of Badlands Speedway being something of an entertainment center featuring car racing, rock concerts and whatever.
Chuck then spent a LOT OF MONEY on the facility. It's unclear how much, but it was substantial. I'm afraid he went overboard. I'll swear that every time a number was thrown out there it got a million dollars bigger.
After that, he made a lot of rookie mistakes, which turned a lot of people against him. A lot of those mistakes seemed to do with his ego and his mouth:
*He decided to run run 410 sprints on Saturday in direct conflict of Knoxville- a place that a fair amount of drivers and fans went to on Saturday nights
*He talked disparigingly about Knoxville and gloated when Knoxville had a lower car count than he did, even putting that up on his big screens-tacky.
*He had a tussle of sorts with the NSL
*He alienated the owner of Jackson Speedway
*He hired the promoter from Hartford Speedway and got him to shutter his track.
*He doesn't seem to play well with others and has a tendency to prove that a lot with his words and actions.
*The track had some policies that were not fan friendly- Need to go out to the car to get a jcaket for your kid? You'll have to buy another ticket to get back in.
*When things didn't go as well as planned, he shut the operation down after the first race of the second season, blaming it on a go-around with his highly respected safety crew.
In the end, Chuck Breenen single-handedly killed local racing.
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I thank you for the frank responses.
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Posted By: Green18 on May 25 2018 at 10:08:36 PM
Is the subjective part coming yet?
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I did my best. You're sure welcome to give it a shot.
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May 25, 2018 at
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Posted By: sonoranrat on May 25 2018 at 11:04:31 PM
I thank you for the frank responses.
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You're welcome. I sincerely hope Green 18 and others respond. There are lots of differing viewpoints and the situation is very complicated.
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