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I completely agree with the idea of a rock hard right rear tire that has a pre-determined minimum pressure. This is a system that The Sportsman Midgets use here in Illinois and it really does level the field fairly well.  

Never hit stationary objects!

And not long after the payouts rose they went back down again.  Did the cost go down too??  When a spec head is put on a CNC machine is it really a spec head anymore?  Kelly could testify as to what has happened to ASCS heads the last few years.   If he chose to.  lol...   Most all engine rules start out as a good idea.  But lack of enforcement usually ends up winning out in the end.  I'm not really a fan of underpowered winged sprint cars.  It would seem to me that motor is even more important there.  An extra 25HP on a 305 should mean a lot more than on a 360 or 410.  You have to tech even harder to keep the smaller motors at a competitive balance.  I just don't want to see sprint cars turn into door bangers with way too many classes and different sets of rules.  One thing ASCS did was provide a set of rules that the majority of 360 series and tracks, at least in the midwest, followed.  There's several variations of 305s already.  I dont' see how that can be a good thing.  You have to get them under one umbrella if you want to maintain any sort of control and entice more folks to run them.  I wouldn't be for building a sprint car motor that I could only run at a couple of tracks.  

"You have to get them under one umbrella if you want to maintain any sort of control and entice more folks to run them."

JMHO, but you can't get a better umbrella to cover the 305's than the Racesaver series. Are there several other sets of rules for the 305's that are used at just a handful of tracks? Of course. But, there are a very large group of tracks running the Racesaver rules currently, and more are coming on board every week. Heck, I've been told that all of Australia and New Zealand are going to be under that umbrella.

"You have to tech even harder to keep the smaller motors at a competitive balance." Well, that is exactly what Racesaver is all about. No series is any good unless you tech the cars constantly and religiously!! Just ask anyone who ran at the Racesaver Nationals the last 2 years if we teched thoroughly before even letting them on the track AND after if they placed high enough.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

Give it time, give it time.....

Maybe I'm out in left field.  But I've seen multiple different 305 rules discussions on here with different combinations being run all in the same general area of the country.  Basically all I was saying is most rules packages start out with the right thing in mind.  Tech gets done and things stay in line.  But eventually that goes away.  Knoxville used to tech the 360 nationals too.  Little Rock used to pump everyone and tear down the top 5.  I'm pretty sure neither are doing much anymore.  And then ASCS starts allowing mods that are against their rulebook but they seem to be legal now.  Maybe Racesaver will be different.  Good luck with it, I hope it works out for the long run.      

If you want to ruin something, use crate engines.  There are alot of engine builders that will be put out in the cold when crate engines are used.  If I change the oil, keep valves set, keep engine feul set, why should I have to exchange my engine to some clod that can not drive and will not maintane his engine.  Locally 2 stock car classes have gone to crate engines.  Both classes have droped down to about 8 cars each.  If you use Racesavor rules you will be able to maintane  low cost racing.  You can not do anything to heads period.  ASCS heads ready to bolt on are costing as much as $10,000 a set.

  $10,000?  Thats insane!!  Were selling ours way too cheap, guess we better go up in price, lol.

What does a ready 2 go set of ascs heads cost. I think my last set of all pro 410 heads costed about 7500 ready 2 bolt on. thanks

The correct and constant teching is one of the things that Racesaver is founded on. I have a feeling that Racesaver is going to continue to grow and prosper throughout not only the country, but around the world wherever sprint cars race!!

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

  $7,500 for race ready set of ASCS heads.

Gang, this is AMAZING and as the original poster I really do appreciate the though's and insight.  And I echo what Wesmar posted about the good discussion.

Some of you have reached out to me through email; I will follow up just not sure what/how/when I can piece together something on the topic.  We have some exciting dreams for Winged Nation as we continue to move forward, and ideas like this topic are things that we'd love to dive into in some fashion.

It's just so encouraging the feedback here from folks who first off love sprint car racing and secondly know more about the topic than I ever will.

Thanks, and I look forward to this thread continuing.

Postman

See what you started???

Just be sure you follow up on my e-mail, and you'll be fine.

I am lucky enough to work at one of the best tracks 
anywhere.

Always making way too much sense for most Mr Smith.  Maybe a 304 class would finally fix the money problem.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

hellz ya, and if you have any questions, just ask cubic dollars, he's the perfect canidate for that anaolgy...

The only thing cheap in racing is a ticket to watch.Cost containment and racing dont seem to go together and usually its the racers themselves that are to blame.Racesaver has some good support and might be the alternative to keep costs down.THe 360 class at Knoxville had 2 barrel carbs and hard tires the first year and now they cost about the same as the 410s.

now, does that include the $1300-1500 shaft rocker system, and the $300-500 carbon fiber-sheet aluminum valvecovers?   really now, $10k isnt that far off, just depends on how you look at things? Honestly, IMO, racers ruin budget racing, its the nature of the game, so thus 360's got away from us, 305's will do the same,  and while im on that topic, any restricted racing that makes the  rules overpower performance, I think, gets watered down, granted ive followed this sport for many many years and ultimately ended up on the top (from  stepping up and never mastering one class) when it becomes a status of speed and power on dirt oval racing,   so, to come back down and find some level of excitement ,even as a fan,  is a pretty tall order, who knos's maybe i could be interested again?,  anyway,  Nascar has become way to predictable I dont even care to watch, our local dirt  track runs IMCA type cars and ledgends, man for a yawner,other than the three lap intervals without yellow is the only justification of entertainment, ya just hope somebody wrecks something or gets mad, because the close side by side battles are far from exhistant , and the crate deal is a gutless bandaid for the "cowardly claim", like i said,  im pretty bias to 410-360 winged cars simply because of my progression in this sport , finding a shoe that fits newbies is a difficult one , understood it needs to be there,  for beginers and budget teams ,but unfortunatly over time  it just balls up into a overpriced slow beginer class that seems far from beginner anymore, trouble is, if new drivers dont see the possibility of catching some competitive spirit from racing in those classes youve only wrecked the possibility of them moving up , not sure what the answer is on 305's,  I just know its a platform that will constantly be moving ..  regardless what CID you want to call it .