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Topic: HIgh Limit small attendance at two Oklahoma tracks
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April 23, 2024 at
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Posted By: Parnelli1970 on April 21 2024 at 01:40:54 PM
WRG owns Dirtvision HL doesn't own Flo big difference.
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What I meant by that the outlaws were struggling to keep going before Dirtvison. That helped them out tremendously. Right now Flo is giving a big shot in the arm to HL.
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April 23, 2024 at
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Posted By: cheroger on April 21 2024 at 01:57:24 PM
Who is responsible for the local media advertising, the track or High Limit? I heard NOTHING and saw NOTHING about the Salina event, in the news, on TV or radio. It appeared the only way of knowing about the race was social media. With Kyle Larson's notoriaty and resources shouldn't High Limit be working with the media prior to the events? Scheduling a "Press Conference" a week or two before the event, inviting all the local media, could increase the awareness. Comments?
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April 23, 2024 at
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I wouldn't put too much stock in crowd sizes at a 410 sprint car race in Oklahoma in the middle of April. The area's that both the Outlaws and High Limit are racing in are not exactly 410 sprint car hotbeds. Now granted, the Outlaws probably had a better front gate attendance but they do have brand recognition which does matter here. For years I thought with a niche market that we had and social media the way it is that it did not matter what promotion or series showed up. But then in the past several years I have read articles about the All Stars, which were a pretty well recognized brand here in Ohio, coming to certain tracks in Ohio. In the comments there would be 3-4 people commenting saying things like "what series is this?" "Is this the World of Outlaws?" "Is this Tony's IROC series?" And that is in areas that get crowds to the track. One article was talking about the former Mansfield Track in Ohio and someone commented that they lived in Mansfield and did not know the track had reopened. I would guess that there is a large % of people, even within the sprintcar fanbase that have no clue that High Limit even exists. Might be hard for some of us to understand because we are so in tune to it being hardcore fans but that is the uphill battle that High Limit will have. The streaming part will help significantly with that as well as Kyle Larson's name but it will take some time. How long? Who knows and how long can it be profitable with just FLO money who know.
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April 23, 2024 at
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I would agree with Nick. Everyone I have encountered over my life with even a vague knowledge of dirt track racing have no idea what other 50 different acronym series are but they know the term 'Outlaws' or 'World of Outlaws'. They won't have a clue what the ASCS, ASCoC, NRA, GLSS, A-B-C, L-B-G-T-Q etc. series are but they know when those traveling guys come to the area a couple times a year.
That and the HL series just has a glorified All Star series featuring Brad Sweet & sometimes Larson feel to it right now. Maybe that will change and evolve over time. I don't know.
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April 23, 2024 at
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Hmmm. no mention of the less than packed stands at Haubstadt??
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April 23, 2024 at
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Posted By: BStrawser26 on April 21 2024 at 12:58:33 PM
Just like Dirtvision is the money behind the Outlaws. No difference there.
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Dirtvision exists under the WoO brand. Not the other way around.
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April 23, 2024 at
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Posted By: cheroger on April 21 2024 at 01:50:25 PM
An example, also in Oklahoma, the WoO, in lesser populated area, Arrowhead Speedway had a standing room crowd.
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That's the power of brand recognition.
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April 23, 2024 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on April 22 2024 at 02:17:45 PM
Front gate is still a very important factor to profitability. You look at the money being thrown at LMs for a few years that has been dialed back a ton with the XR failure and the scaling back of some of the Flo mid week shows. Its not the only factor as it once was but you can't consistently have $100k shows (purse and all the other expenses) with a thousand people in the stands. Over time they'll have to make adjustments.
The other thing is drivers used to racing in front of a minimum of a few thousand people likely are seeing at track t shirt sales decline a bit, online sales may make up for it but it can't be fun racing in front of empty grandstands.
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It surprises me how few people actually understand this. You nailed it. And I'll add to this, concessions. A lot of people don't have a clue just how much tracks make in concessions. You can't sell dogs, burgers and beer/soda to someone in New Mexico watching a Port Royal race on Flo.
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April 23, 2024 at
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Posted By: from a sponsor on April 23 2024 at 11:18:26 AM
Hmmm. no mention of the less than packed stands at Haubstadt??
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I was at haubstadt last Saturday. It was not SRO and a few seats could be found but it was a large crowd especially considering the temperature and I'm sure the promoter was happy.
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April 23, 2024 at
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Posted By: fiXXXer on April 23 2024 at 01:21:09 PM
Dirtvision exists under the WoO brand. Not the other way around.
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Dirtvison saved a struggling Woo. Flo will do the same for HL. That is what I meant with my comment.
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Looks packed tonight at The Ditch in West Memphis. Maybe the crowds are due to locations more than anything? Outlaw name still holds a different standard today. That could change.
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