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Chagil
January 22, 2020 at 02:08:30 AM
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Posted By: Kingpin2014 on January 21 2020 at 07:47:55 PM

All-stars announced a format tweak today as well. Instead of the top 2 in each heat making the dash, the heat winner and the fastest qualifying transfer car make the dash.



All Stars & WOO should go to running double heats inverting from first heat and combining points from both to line up dash & feature.Get rid of time trials & make them race instead.



bgtexpress
January 22, 2020 at 07:00:59 AM
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Posted By: Chagil on January 22 2020 at 02:08:30 AM

All Stars & WOO should go to running double heats inverting from first heat and combining points from both to line up dash & feature.Get rid of time trials & make them race instead.



Spoken like a fan......I bet the drivers would not like your idea.....(just sayin')



egras
January 22, 2020 at 07:26:54 AM
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Posted By: Chagil on January 22 2020 at 02:08:30 AM

All Stars & WOO should go to running double heats inverting from first heat and combining points from both to line up dash & feature.Get rid of time trials & make them race instead.



I second this.  And I would think the drivers WOULD like this instead of missing a transfer by one spot and having to run the LCQ.  




mudclods
January 22, 2020 at 07:32:42 AM
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Posted By: chilly on January 21 2020 at 04:31:50 PM

I think there are only 2 Cale's that race sprint cars... I'll give you a pass!



There's also Cale Stinson that runs 410s in Ohio.  He's the son of Jimmy Stinson.  They've all 3 raced together. 



MoOpenwheel
January 22, 2020 at 08:24:06 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on January 22 2020 at 01:31:44 AM

It's certainly fairer, which in today's landscape is probably better given how most tracks are early in the night and how tough to pass it can be. I actually wouldn't mind the WoO considering this tweak as well.



Do you know how the WoO works now?  Heats are lined straight up by time.  Fast time on the pole, 2nd, 3rd, etc.  Then the top two finishers go to the dash.  Faster times are givin the advanatage of better starting spots and then the race is on.  There's no getting into the dash without running top 2.  A slower time can make the dash if he can pass a car ot two.  I don't now why the All-Stars don't just go to that.  What's the purpose of inverting and then taking a car to the dash that just rode around in 4th or 5th?  It's still penalizing cars for better times.  The third starter in each heat has a better time than the front row but now he has to pass both of them to make the dash.  That doesn't happen very often in a short heat race.  He might as well sandbag a little to get a worse time.  I've never thought that was a fair way to do it.  I like how the outlaws do it now.  If you're going to qualify you shouldn't be penalized for having a faster time. 



Nick14
January 22, 2020 at 08:25:25 AM
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Posted By: Kingpin2014 on January 21 2020 at 07:47:55 PM

All-stars announced a format tweak today as well. Instead of the top 2 in each heat making the dash, the heat winner and the fastest qualifying transfer car make the dash.



I like the little tweak. Not to judge drivers or equipment, but sometimes due to luck of the draw you would have a stacked heat race filled with 5 potential winners, then the next heat was probably not quite as good as far as likely hood of winning. Plus quite a few times it seemed some of those earlier heat races you would have a guy time decent but have to start 5th in his heat, finish 4th and start 13th-16th. I remember the last race at Eldora a few years ago they had 6 heats & the announcer said a driver timed 17th but started 7th in his heat. He ended up having to start 3rd in the B and i think started 22nd-23rd in the A. I felt that the format had a little bit too much luck of the draw especially during speedweek




Michael_N
January 22, 2020 at 09:48:29 AM
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But a Bob Kinser top wing (from the front page of HH) on every car and invert the whole field. The cream will rise. 



dsc1600
January 22, 2020 at 09:57:42 AM
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on January 22 2020 at 08:24:06 AM

Do you know how the WoO works now?  Heats are lined straight up by time.  Fast time on the pole, 2nd, 3rd, etc.  Then the top two finishers go to the dash.  Faster times are givin the advanatage of better starting spots and then the race is on.  There's no getting into the dash without running top 2.  A slower time can make the dash if he can pass a car ot two.  I don't now why the All-Stars don't just go to that.  What's the purpose of inverting and then taking a car to the dash that just rode around in 4th or 5th?  It's still penalizing cars for better times.  The third starter in each heat has a better time than the front row but now he has to pass both of them to make the dash.  That doesn't happen very often in a short heat race.  He might as well sandbag a little to get a worse time.  I've never thought that was a fair way to do it.  I like how the outlaws do it now.  If you're going to qualify you shouldn't be penalized for having a faster time. 



Yes I'm aware of the WoO format and I like it on principle. But there are some that liked the invert better. This is a decent compromise that doesnt penalize you for timing 3rd or 4th but also keeps an invert in place. 



MoOpenwheel
January 22, 2020 at 10:11:41 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on January 22 2020 at 09:57:42 AM

Yes I'm aware of the WoO format and I like it on principle. But there are some that liked the invert better. This is a decent compromise that doesnt penalize you for timing 3rd or 4th but also keeps an invert in place. 



So now the only car getting penalized is the one who times 2nd.  How does that make sense? 




SAF92
January 22, 2020 at 10:48:26 AM
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on January 22 2020 at 10:11:41 AM

So now the only car getting penalized is the one who times 2nd.  How does that make sense? 



You are falling into the category of someone who is going to complain regardless the format.

 - Theres people who like an invert (ASCoC 2019 format)

      OR

 - Theres people like no invert (WoO current format)

In previous years the 2 quickest in overall qualifying who didn't finish top 2 in their heats earned a spot in the dash... but yet it wasn't uncommon for the quick qualifer in a heat to miss out on the dash due to starting 4th on a fast, narrow track.

With this new format, its true the 2nd quick qualifier from each heat is slightly getting shafted... but its still a nice compromise. 3rd and 4th qualifiers make the heat's front row and the quickest quailifer just needs to transfer. I will say in 2020 I expect the front row to race each other a lot harder, making it slightly easier to win a heat from the 3rd starting spot.

 



MoOpenwheel
January 22, 2020 at 11:36:18 AM
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Posted By: SAF92 on January 22 2020 at 10:48:26 AM

You are falling into the category of someone who is going to complain regardless the format.

 - Theres people who like an invert (ASCoC 2019 format)

      OR

 - Theres people like no invert (WoO current format)

In previous years the 2 quickest in overall qualifying who didn't finish top 2 in their heats earned a spot in the dash... but yet it wasn't uncommon for the quick qualifer in a heat to miss out on the dash due to starting 4th on a fast, narrow track.

With this new format, its true the 2nd quick qualifier from each heat is slightly getting shafted... but its still a nice compromise. 3rd and 4th qualifiers make the heat's front row and the quickest quailifer just needs to transfer. I will say in 2020 I expect the front row to race each other a lot harder, making it slightly easier to win a heat from the 3rd starting spot.

 



Nah.  I've just never understood qualifying and then penalizing the fastest cars.



Moparcar250
January 22, 2020 at 12:16:58 PM
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on January 22 2020 at 11:36:18 AM

Nah.  I've just never understood qualifying and then penalizing the fastest cars.



 

So we can see some passing/racing and make it more fun to watch 




revjimk
January 22, 2020 at 05:21:47 PM
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I like the top 2 making the dash.... oh well



revjimk
January 22, 2020 at 05:23:05 PM
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Posted By: Chagil on January 22 2020 at 02:08:30 AM

All Stars & WOO should go to running double heats inverting from first heat and combining points from both to line up dash & feature.Get rid of time trials & make them race instead.



I've always liked that idea...

& yes, I'm a fan

No way would I have the balls to drive one of those beasts



JJRFan
January 22, 2020 at 06:27:40 PM
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Posted By: Moparcar250 on January 22 2020 at 12:16:58 PM

 

So we can see some passing/racing and make it more fun to watch 



We can go out on the freeway and have all the passing you want.




Nick14
January 22, 2020 at 07:32:44 PM
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Posted By: JJRFan on January 22 2020 at 06:27:40 PM

We can go out on the freeway and have all the passing you want.



Pretty much. Heck Daytona & Talladega have a ton of passing but it doesn't really matter. Heck those races are now some of the worst because they just turn into glorified demo derbies. I'd much rather see a real competition & contesting for the win rather than heats where you know people are just going to blow by the front cars in less than 1-2 laps. 

Or races where the entire field is not that far off time wise so there won't be much passing anyway.



JJRFan
January 22, 2020 at 08:46:09 PM
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Posted By: Nick14 on January 22 2020 at 07:32:44 PM

Pretty much. Heck Daytona & Talladega have a ton of passing but it doesn't really matter. Heck those races are now some of the worst because they just turn into glorified demo derbies. I'd much rather see a real competition & contesting for the win rather than heats where you know people are just going to blow by the front cars in less than 1-2 laps. 

Or races where the entire field is not that far off time wise so there won't be much passing anyway.



Also with this format, many of the Outlaws regulars avoided tearing up a lot of equipment like previous years.



SAF92
January 23, 2020 at 08:25:44 AM
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Posted By: MoOpenwheel on January 22 2020 at 11:36:18 AM

Nah.  I've just never understood qualifying and then penalizing the fastest cars.



This format literally rewards the fastest qualifers from each heat race. 1st place heat qualifiers have a huge advanatge to make the dash. While you bring up a good point in penaizing the 2nd place qualifier, think of it this way....

Say there is 4 heat races:

 - Assume that each heat race is won from the front row by the 3rd or 4th place qualifiers.

 - Assume 1st place qualifiers finish in a top 5 transfer spot in each heat and earn a spot in the dash.

 - NOW the top 2 overall qualifers who transfer still make the dash. This is most likely going to be 2 of the 2nd place qualifers who also finished in a top 5 transfer spot.

So I would think you would agree there is still plenty of incentive to be 1st or 2nd place in your qualifying group. Alternatively if one or more quick qualifier(s) are able to win their heat from the 4th starting spot it will open up more spots in the dash based off qualifying times, potentially allowing all 2nd place qualifiers to make the dash based off qualifying time. This format is insanely fair to drivers yet should please the fans who cry for an invert. Kudos to whoever is making these decisions for ASCoC.




Moparcar250
January 23, 2020 at 10:17:34 AM
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Posted By: JJRFan on January 22 2020 at 06:27:40 PM

We can go out on the freeway and have all the passing you want.



 

you dont like passing ? 



BStrawser26
January 23, 2020 at 11:30:36 AM
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Posted By: Nick14 on January 22 2020 at 07:32:44 PM

Pretty much. Heck Daytona & Talladega have a ton of passing but it doesn't really matter. Heck those races are now some of the worst because they just turn into glorified demo derbies. I'd much rather see a real competition & contesting for the win rather than heats where you know people are just going to blow by the front cars in less than 1-2 laps. 

Or races where the entire field is not that far off time wise so there won't be much passing anyway.



Some dirt tracks are trying to be like the restrictor plate tracks and I hate it.  I want to see good hard racing when I go to a sprint race, not this all night long slip and slide crap. 

Have it wet at the beginning of the night and it will be perfect for the feature.  If I wanted a slip and slide I would have one in my backyard. 


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!



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