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revjimk
August 06, 2018 at 09:37:33 PM
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Posted By: fiXXXer on August 06 2018 at 06:19:00 PM

I touched upon this very subject a couple of years ago. It's been obvious for awhile that Port's weekly sprint car field was hanging by a thread. When a track depends on stealing cars from other tracks, other tracks/series rainouts and off weekends to get a decent field like Port does most weeks, there are bound to be nights like that and Port has seen a few of them in the past couple of years. They only have about 5-7 cars who are there every week no matter what. There are a few (Hodnett, Lucas etc.) guys who are there most weeks but run elsewhere when there's a big money race. I'm not the least bit surprised. Par for the course. That said, Brouse made a couple of passive aggressive comments about the guys who weren't there that I personally thought were classless and uncalled for. Seems to me, he thinks the sprint car world revolves around Port Royal and this past weekend was a reminder that it in fact does not. Who can blame guys for going to Knoxville to compete in the biggest sprint car race in the world? A win at Knoxville can literally make a drivers career and there's a ton of money to be made every time you hit the track. I don't think it's appropriate for the announcer to passively aggressively talk shit on guys who opted to race elsewhere that night like he did. Port Royal's biggest race is the Tuscarora 50 which is a great race, but it isn't even close to being a pimple on the ass of the Knoxville Nationals.



What did Brouse say, specifically?

 



Murphy
August 06, 2018 at 10:18:18 PM
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Posted By: bigbrad115 on August 06 2018 at 07:23:53 PM

12 410 teams show up to race for $3600 to win.

37 305 teams show up for $350 to win.

Just signs of things to come. It happened elsewere it can happen in central Pa. unless something is done to contain engine costs.



     What happens if one of the 37 decides to sign up as a 410? Does 13th place pay better than mid-field in the 305 race?



frebyrd
August 07, 2018 at 05:20:49 AM
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on August 06 2018 at 12:14:52 PM

Sorry, I know this is like an open invitation to strawser , and I usually don't get too excited about the historically low August car counts, but (12) 410's at the Port on Saturday - geeezzz!



24 cars were at LINCOLN, Better racing!!




steelcityguy
August 07, 2018 at 05:30:33 AM
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Contrary to what the all mighty whiner Strawswer says, the low car count had NOTHING to do with the track surface. He couldn't wait to turn a low car count, due to other races, into something about the track surface. He'd make a fine pawn in the Liberal media circus. In reality, it's all about Knoxville, the big races out there and Selinsgrove running a high paying, special race. Come on Strawser, if teams hate the track, show me the low car counts for the races the rest of the year. Come on little buddy, give it your best shot. Oh, and those of us who enjoy the racing at Port, thank you so very much, for staying away. Please feel free to do so on a continual basis for the foreseeable future. Kudos on that.

Now, off to finish packing for the long drive to Knoxville. I bet Strawser will give his critique of the Nationals too, all the while, not being there either, lol.



revjimk
August 07, 2018 at 11:03:29 AM
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Posted By: bigbrad115 on August 06 2018 at 07:23:53 PM

12 410 teams show up to race for $3600 to win.

37 305 teams show up for $350 to win.

Just signs of things to come. It happened elsewere it can happen in central Pa. unless something is done to contain engine costs.



Good point. Sad but true....



revjimk
August 07, 2018 at 11:05:55 AM
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Posted By: steelcityguy on August 07 2018 at 05:30:33 AM

Contrary to what the all mighty whiner Strawswer says, the low car count had NOTHING to do with the track surface. He couldn't wait to turn a low car count, due to other races, into something about the track surface. He'd make a fine pawn in the Liberal media circus. In reality, it's all about Knoxville, the big races out there and Selinsgrove running a high paying, special race. Come on Strawser, if teams hate the track, show me the low car counts for the races the rest of the year. Come on little buddy, give it your best shot. Oh, and those of us who enjoy the racing at Port, thank you so very much, for staying away. Please feel free to do so on a continual basis for the foreseeable future. Kudos on that.

Now, off to finish packing for the long drive to Knoxville. I bet Strawser will give his critique of the Nationals too, all the while, not being there either, lol.



"He'd make a fine pawn in the Liberal media circus."???? Lets leave politics out of it

I could reply but I won't




wolfie2985
August 07, 2018 at 12:21:37 PM
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Posted By: bigbrad115 on August 06 2018 at 07:23:53 PM

12 410 teams show up to race for $3600 to win.

37 305 teams show up for $350 to win.

Just signs of things to come. It happened elsewere it can happen in central Pa. unless something is done to contain engine costs.



Racing Economics Rule #1 - you can't control the cost

Big blocks save bucks - yep, until the guy with the big bucks gets a big block

Steel blocks only - see Big blocks above - someone, many, will spend three times the cost of an aluminum block on a steel block 

Cast Iron Intake and Exhaust Manifolds only - see Big Blocks and Steel blocks above

 

Racing Economics Rule #2 - hold on to your wallet if they try to control the cost

See Rule #1

 

Containing engine costs has been a topic for at least 35 years. Whatever has been tried in 410 sprint cars hasn't worked - though I don't think they've tried much. And, considering that it's been a topic every year for, at least, the last 35 years and there's still RELATIVELY lots of cars, the costs of engines isn't really a problem at the end of the day.

If I had to give a one word answer to the question "has sprint car racing changed much since 1983?" I'd have to gladly say 'No'.

Maybe there were 25 cars at the Port, 25 at Selinsgrove and 25 at Lincoln on the first Saturday in August 1983, but, all things considered - certainly the cost - Sprint Car racing is alive and well - even at the Port - despite what strawser says Smile



longtimefan
August 07, 2018 at 05:01:35 PM
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I was at Lincoln one time when they had 14 410's and I don't remember them having any other divisions. I think Selinsgrove had a similar car count once this year and was only 22 for $5,000 to win. I think maybe they should shut them all down and we will wait for Strawser to tell what we should all do each Saturday night.



Murphy
August 07, 2018 at 06:10:23 PM
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on August 07 2018 at 12:21:37 PM

Racing Economics Rule #1 - you can't control the cost

Big blocks save bucks - yep, until the guy with the big bucks gets a big block

Steel blocks only - see Big blocks above - someone, many, will spend three times the cost of an aluminum block on a steel block 

Cast Iron Intake and Exhaust Manifolds only - see Big Blocks and Steel blocks above

 

Racing Economics Rule #2 - hold on to your wallet if they try to control the cost

See Rule #1

 

Containing engine costs has been a topic for at least 35 years. Whatever has been tried in 410 sprint cars hasn't worked - though I don't think they've tried much. And, considering that it's been a topic every year for, at least, the last 35 years and there's still RELATIVELY lots of cars, the costs of engines isn't really a problem at the end of the day.

If I had to give a one word answer to the question "has sprint car racing changed much since 1983?" I'd have to gladly say 'No'.

Maybe there were 25 cars at the Port, 25 at Selinsgrove and 25 at Lincoln on the first Saturday in August 1983, but, all things considered - certainly the cost - Sprint Car racing is alive and well - even at the Port - despite what strawser says Smile



      This isn't happening in a vacuum.  Maybe it would be worthwhile to see what other types of racing have done when faced with similar problems?




fiXXXer
August 07, 2018 at 06:27:14 PM
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Posted By: longtimefan on August 07 2018 at 05:01:35 PM

I was at Lincoln one time when they had 14 410's and I don't remember them having any other divisions. I think Selinsgrove had a similar car count once this year and was only 22 for $5,000 to win. I think maybe they should shut them all down and we will wait for Strawser to tell what we should all do each Saturday night.



I was there too. It was very cold and it was still winter. They should've never raced that day. Some guys (wisely) decided to keep their stuff parked.



blazer00
August 07, 2018 at 06:59:02 PM
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Posted By: wolfie2985 on August 07 2018 at 12:21:37 PM

Racing Economics Rule #1 - you can't control the cost

Big blocks save bucks - yep, until the guy with the big bucks gets a big block

Steel blocks only - see Big blocks above - someone, many, will spend three times the cost of an aluminum block on a steel block 

Cast Iron Intake and Exhaust Manifolds only - see Big Blocks and Steel blocks above

 

Racing Economics Rule #2 - hold on to your wallet if they try to control the cost

See Rule #1

 

Containing engine costs has been a topic for at least 35 years. Whatever has been tried in 410 sprint cars hasn't worked - though I don't think they've tried much. And, considering that it's been a topic every year for, at least, the last 35 years and there's still RELATIVELY lots of cars, the costs of engines isn't really a problem at the end of the day.

If I had to give a one word answer to the question "has sprint car racing changed much since 1983?" I'd have to gladly say 'No'.

Maybe there were 25 cars at the Port, 25 at Selinsgrove and 25 at Lincoln on the first Saturday in August 1983, but, all things considered - certainly the cost - Sprint Car racing is alive and well - even at the Port - despite what strawser says Smile



I have to disagree with your assessment that engine costs aren't the primary culprit. And I don't think 35 years ago engine costs were as far out of line as they are today. I believe Wolfgang said his engine cost about $9,000 in 1990 when he won the $50,000 Kings Royal.....and Sammy had around $60,000-$65,000 in his when he won it in 2012.  At $10,000 to win for an Outlaw show, how many races have to be won to pay for an engine and a refresh, today? And I think they were racing for $5,000 (?) to win back in 1990 with special shows paying more. Looks to me like that's a very major change.



BigHalfMile
August 07, 2018 at 08:15:42 PM
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This message was edited on August 07, 2018 at 08:17:43 PM by BigHalfMile

I can guarantee you that nobody, sprint car or late model driver gets paid to show up at Port Royal other than the advertised $100 tow money. I welcome all of you to ask any driver if he is being paid to show up at Port Royal and if you find one please feel free to post for the public to see. This is all rumors and nothing more and that my friends is a Fact.




BStrawser26
August 08, 2018 at 11:36:42 AM
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Posted By: steelcityguy on August 07 2018 at 05:30:33 AM

Contrary to what the all mighty whiner Strawswer says, the low car count had NOTHING to do with the track surface. He couldn't wait to turn a low car count, due to other races, into something about the track surface. He'd make a fine pawn in the Liberal media circus. In reality, it's all about Knoxville, the big races out there and Selinsgrove running a high paying, special race. Come on Strawser, if teams hate the track, show me the low car counts for the races the rest of the year. Come on little buddy, give it your best shot. Oh, and those of us who enjoy the racing at Port, thank you so very much, for staying away. Please feel free to do so on a continual basis for the foreseeable future. Kudos on that.

Now, off to finish packing for the long drive to Knoxville. I bet Strawser will give his critique of the Nationals too, all the while, not being there either, lol.



Keep lieing to yourself. Port lost Greg to Knoxville, lost two to Selinsgrove and maybe 3 or 4 others that just didn't show up.  So you add that all up and you still don't have a full field of cars. It has to do with more than on thing.

1. Track surface

2. Going on vacation

3. Money it cost a lot to run these things.

4. Don't blame it on Knoxville only one car out there that runs Port regular.  Look at yourself and it is pretty clear drivers had better things to do rather than go racing.

5. Maybe they are waiting to get an engine refreshed.

Whatever the case or story there is no denying that 410 racing is very expensive and we are losing more and more teams every year.

I don't hate the Port.  I hate the way they prepare the track. 

There is not a better track than Knoxville for the nationals.....no other track even comes close.  The Nationals are second to none!!


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

wolfie2985
August 08, 2018 at 11:40:17 AM
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Posted By: BigHalfMile on August 07 2018 at 08:15:42 PM

I can guarantee you that nobody, sprint car or late model driver gets paid to show up at Port Royal other than the advertised $100 tow money. I welcome all of you to ask any driver if he is being paid to show up at Port Royal and if you find one please feel free to post for the public to see. This is all rumors and nothing more and that my friends is a Fact.



Ah, another perfectly good thread killed by someone throwing facts around Smile

 



fiXXXer
August 08, 2018 at 11:56:25 AM
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This message was edited on August 08, 2018 at 11:58:10 AM by fiXXXer
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Posted By: BigHalfMile on August 07 2018 at 08:15:42 PM

I can guarantee you that nobody, sprint car or late model driver gets paid to show up at Port Royal other than the advertised $100 tow money. I welcome all of you to ask any driver if he is being paid to show up at Port Royal and if you find one please feel free to post for the public to see. This is all rumors and nothing more and that my friends is a Fact.



.......says every promoter who has ever passed off a $100 bill to a hot shoe during a handshake as an extra little "thank you" for putting asses in the seats. Whether any tracks are or aren't engaging in such practices, the last thing that will happen is a driver divulging such information to someone who is just "asking around." No one in their right mind is going to bite the hand that feeds.




BStrawser26
August 08, 2018 at 12:36:02 PM
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Posted By: BigHalfMile on August 07 2018 at 08:15:42 PM

I can guarantee you that nobody, sprint car or late model driver gets paid to show up at Port Royal other than the advertised $100 tow money. I welcome all of you to ask any driver if he is being paid to show up at Port Royal and if you find one please feel free to post for the public to see. This is all rumors and nothing more and that my friends is a Fact.



It looks like Fixxxer hit a nerve........

 


Let's go Sprint Car Racing!

Knoxville - Best Track In the USA!
Eldora - 2nd Best Track in the USA!

fiXXXer
August 08, 2018 at 02:46:30 PM
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It looks like Fixxxer hit a nerve........

 



I probably shouldn't have even said anything. HoldenCaulfield mentioned the late model thing and I replied with what I'd heard. Whether they do or don't, doesn't really matter because it doesn't affect me personally to be perfectly honest. I have my own personal feelings regarding such things and I stated them. I trust the people who I call friends and I trust what they told me. It is what it is. Not trying to be dirt track Wikileaks here. I'm not gonna comment about it any further.



HoldenCaulfield
August 08, 2018 at 05:22:19 PM
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Posted By: BigHalfMile on August 07 2018 at 08:15:42 PM

I can guarantee you that nobody, sprint car or late model driver gets paid to show up at Port Royal other than the advertised $100 tow money. I welcome all of you to ask any driver if he is being paid to show up at Port Royal and if you find one please feel free to post for the public to see. This is all rumors and nothing more and that my friends is a Fact.



Seriously? It's common knowlegde and it's been going on for decades. I'm talking about comlimentary pit passes not show up money. Ask Steve Campbell and Tony Adams why they raced there in the early 00's. I also know for a fact the Selinsgrove promoter was made aware of it early this year and his reply was that he won't do that because he doesn't feel it's fair to other competitors. Where did D. Yoder, Frye and Bair used to race? ...and now SG's all-time leading winner - Rine. Wake up and smell the roses. I will say that Port has done a great job adding more big LM race the past couple years and I'm sure that helps. Personally, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I mean it's not against the law or anything and if it works, then it's just good promoting. More cars = more fans and there isn't really much in that area to draw from. Port's very aggressive in promoting. They call drivers and talk to them. They welcome them and thank them for showing up. Hell when you go there whether it's drivers or race sponsors or team spoinsors, you hear Selinsgrove, Sunbury, Middleburg, etc. more than you hear Lewistown, Mifflintown or Port Royal. Makes you wonder what track you're at and why the other track doesn't do more to recruit local drivers and businesses. 


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longtimefan
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Seriously? It's common knowlegde and it's been going on for decades. I'm talking about comlimentary pit passes not show up money. Ask Steve Campbell and Tony Adams why they raced there in the early 00's. I also know for a fact the Selinsgrove promoter was made aware of it early this year and his reply was that he won't do that because he doesn't feel it's fair to other competitors. Where did D. Yoder, Frye and Bair used to race? ...and now SG's all-time leading winner - Rine. Wake up and smell the roses. I will say that Port has done a great job adding more big LM race the past couple years and I'm sure that helps. Personally, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it. I mean it's not against the law or anything and if it works, then it's just good promoting. More cars = more fans and there isn't really much in that area to draw from. Port's very aggressive in promoting. They call drivers and talk to them. They welcome them and thank them for showing up. Hell when you go there whether it's drivers or race sponsors or team spoinsors, you hear Selinsgrove, Sunbury, Middleburg, etc. more than you hear Lewistown, Mifflintown or Port Royal. Makes you wonder what track you're at and why the other track doesn't do more to recruit local drivers and businesses. 



And I suppose Heffner decided to make Port their home on Sat. nights to try to win the championship while knowing Port was doing this to the track that he is involved with. Opps there goes common sense getting in the way of a good rumor again. What is Selingrove's latemodel purse? I really don't know but Port's is posted on their website.



BigHalfMile
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Posted By: fiXXXer on August 06 2018 at 06:19:00 PM

I touched upon this very subject a couple of years ago. It's been obvious for awhile that Port's weekly sprint car field was hanging by a thread. When a track depends on stealing cars from other tracks, other tracks/series rainouts and off weekends to get a decent field like Port does most weeks, there are bound to be nights like that and Port has seen a few of them in the past couple of years. They only have about 5-7 cars who are there every week no matter what. There are a few (Hodnett, Lucas etc.) guys who are there most weeks but run elsewhere when there's a big money race. I'm not the least bit surprised. Par for the course. That said, Brouse made a couple of passive aggressive comments about the guys who weren't there that I personally thought were classless and uncalled for. Seems to me, he thinks the sprint car world revolves around Port Royal and this past weekend was a reminder that it in fact does not. Who can blame guys for going to Knoxville to compete in the biggest sprint car race in the world? A win at Knoxville can literally make a drivers career and there's a ton of money to be made every time you hit the track. I don't think it's appropriate for the announcer to passively aggressively talk shit on guys who opted to race elsewhere that night like he did. Port Royal's biggest race is the Tuscarora 50 which is a great race, but it isn't even close to being a pimple on the ass of the Knoxville Nationals.



You must have been the only one that heard Shawn Brouse talking passively agressively shit on guys who opted for Knoxville. Port will never be Knoxville your right about that and I have never heard anyone from Port claiming to be Knoxville.  





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