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leftturn007
July 20, 2018 at 11:22:24 PM
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 20 2018 at 09:58:29 PM

But.....the Nationals aren't at the Grove.......



Haaaaaaaaaahahaha!



leftturn007
July 20, 2018 at 11:28:59 PM
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Going with Brown as my dark horse, he has that place licked on regular Saturday night shows. Then again, those are regular Saturday night shows....



singlefile
July 21, 2018 at 06:14:10 AM
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This message was edited on July 21, 2018 at 06:17:15 AM by singlefile

There are way too many drivers in this thread being given even a snowball's chance of winning. Every year, dozens of names are mentioned as being threats to win, and the picks always seem like Charlie Brown expecting to actually kick the football this time. Donny Schatz has 10 wins and two seconds the last 12 years.

Once you get past the top half dozen Outlaws and Larson, the chances go down real quick.




singlefile
July 21, 2018 at 06:22:22 AM
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Posted By: SprintFan16 on July 20 2018 at 03:49:17 PM

I would think if I'm handicapping the Nationals it'd look something like Schatz -200, Larson +110, Gravel +500, Brown +700, Sweet +750, Stewart +800, Tim Shaffer +900, Aaron Reutzel +975, Kerry Madsen +1000, Ian Madsen +1000, Daryn Pittman +1050, Schuchart +1200, Rico +1250, Sheldon Haud +1400, Carson Macedo +1500, Cory Eliason +1500, Terry McCarl +1600,  Austin McCarl +1750, Jacob Allen +2000, Davey Heskin +2200. Field +4500. 

I set this as if I was offering real action, though I'm no expert at this, I don't know that I'd bet this if offered. JMO. Probably misisng someone as well.



I enjoyed the effort you made and enjoyed reading it, but your odds are way too low for just about everyone beyond the first few picks. Jacob Allen at 20-1 to win the Nationals? He has never even an Outlaw race and was not even competitive racing locally.



egras
July 21, 2018 at 08:39:19 AM
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This message was edited on July 21, 2018 at 08:39:58 AM by egras
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Posted By: singlefile on July 21 2018 at 06:14:10 AM

There are way too many drivers in this thread being given even a snowball's chance of winning. Every year, dozens of names are mentioned as being threats to win, and the picks always seem like Charlie Brown expecting to actually kick the football this time. Donny Schatz has 10 wins and two seconds the last 12 years.

Once you get past the top half dozen Outlaws and Larson, the chances go down real quick.



I would put the odds like this:   (just for fun--as an example)

Schatz     2-3

Larson     4-1

Gravel      4-1

Sweet       5-1

Brown       7-1

Shane       10-1

K. Madsen   12-1

Pittman        15-1

 

 

 

My darkhorse pick:

Reutzel       30-1   (based solely off of last years charge to the front)

 

 



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July 21, 2018 at 12:52:26 PM
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Posted By: singlefile on July 21 2018 at 06:22:22 AM

I enjoyed the effort you made and enjoyed reading it, but your odds are way too low for just about everyone beyond the first few picks. Jacob Allen at 20-1 to win the Nationals? He has never even an Outlaw race and was not even competitive racing locally.



I'm trying to make a profit at my book, not go broke when someone stuns the world at 100-1. 

In reality, I'd agree that some of these are probably way too low. I guess I placed them more relatively on a fixed scale than trying to determine true odds. Jacob has been OK at times at Knoxville, he put it in the dash Saturday of the WoO show, but I know that's a whole different animal.

To echo another poster's sentiment, I think you could probably handicap 7-8 cars and then give a big time field bet and be OK. 

 




El Wingador
July 21, 2018 at 02:34:21 PM
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Another vote for Reutzel ...



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July 22, 2018 at 08:54:42 AM
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all comes down to who has the best 2 laps



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July 22, 2018 at 09:17:14 AM
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My prediction is that one of these years Schatz is going to have a run of bad luck and somebody else will win it.  I further predict that he will come back so focussed and determined after losing one that he will peel off about five more in a row.  That's just where we are in the stream of time right now, on a Schatz roll with no end in sight.  The only thing that will stop it is old age or Donny deciding he's done everything there is to do in Sprints and him riding off into the sunset to run his business interests and play around with the Late Model.


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jjones6981
July 22, 2018 at 09:46:46 AM
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Posted By: AJ_81 on July 20 2018 at 12:44:56 PM

Ok the #15 car is the favorite, let's move past that.  Then you have a few guys that have a puncher's chance (Gravel, Sweet, Larson, Brown, Stewart).  What I want to know is who's your sleeper pick?  We know the magic can happen at this place (Allen, Kraig Kinser, Shaffer, Johnson).  So if the stars aligned just right to let cinderella story happen, who would it be?  Let's say two or three drivers per response.  I got a couple to start . . . Davey Heskin and/or Jacob Allen.  Heskin flat out passes cars, and has come charging from the back before.  Allen has had some more speed than usual this year, and man who wouldn't love to see victory lane celebration?  And go...



I gotta go with Brian Brown, and Rico Abreu, If Lance Dewease is there I'd go with him as well.



AJ_81
July 24, 2018 at 11:39:22 AM
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This was exactly the stuff I wanted to see when I started this post, thanks everybody!  Love the picks and odds and all that.  It'd be fun to revisit this at the end of Thursday night when the top 16 are locked in!  Smile  I'd love to see anybody shock the world this year.  #15 is absolutely great and so very hard to beat, but who doesn't love a good upset?!  Makes for a much better story IMO.  



revjimk
July 24, 2018 at 11:46:23 AM
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Would Larson be considered a sleeper? He could do it..

If Dewease shows up, thats a surprise already, but if so, he's got a chance!

How bout Brad sweet?




raidersam67
July 24, 2018 at 07:12:00 PM
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going out on a limb here and just gonna say it WILL be a CALI driver that wins the NATS this year.....take your pic 57,41,49,24R,83,71,41,29,3,68,25.... wink


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Redman
July 24, 2018 at 07:41:03 PM
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Brett Marks


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egras
July 24, 2018 at 10:54:47 PM
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Posted By: Redman on July 24 2018 at 07:41:03 PM

Brett Marks



Is that Brent's brother?   wink




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Shouldn't this post be titled "Who's going to win the Nationals besides Schatz?" because everyone is a Darkhorse as long as Schatz is entered.



El Wingador
July 25, 2018 at 10:38:22 AM
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Posted By: Paintboss on July 25 2018 at 10:09:03 AM

Shouldn't this post be titled "Who's going to win the Nationals besides Schatz?" because everyone is a Darkhorse as long as Schatz is entered.



Good point ....



revjimk
July 25, 2018 at 04:55:05 PM
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Whats all this Schatz talk? He's not even entered yet...

Clearly a chicken hearted cherry picker wink




Dollanskyfan1.1
July 27, 2018 at 10:22:47 AM
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Posted By: Sonicman1 on July 20 2018 at 09:02:13 PM

Deweese! Who I just watched slide job 15 for a win at the Grove



Yes, but that is The Grove... Posse doesn't normally do anything outside of PA. They run the same tracks all the time.


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blazer00
July 27, 2018 at 10:50:12 AM
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Posted By: singlefile on July 21 2018 at 06:14:10 AM

There are way too many drivers in this thread being given even a snowball's chance of winning. Every year, dozens of names are mentioned as being threats to win, and the picks always seem like Charlie Brown expecting to actually kick the football this time. Donny Schatz has 10 wins and two seconds the last 12 years.

Once you get past the top half dozen Outlaws and Larson, the chances go down real quick.



Over the last several years there have been probably three dozen drivers mentioned (if not more).....what the hecks the difference in having a couple dozen more?  Besides, a couple times out of a dozen years, someone gets it right. Smile





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