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I don't know about any satellite image, but looking at the picture that was posted on this thread it sure looks green and dry back on the other side of the river.

     OK. I've pondered it. Your theory has more holes in it than a garden variety JFK conspiracy theory.

     The track is not in the city of Brandon. It is just south of town. The track is in Minnehaha County. It is Minnehaha County zoning that has jurisdiction and that's who sent the letter. That's who is addressing the zoning issue. Now, I know what you're thinking...the county is behind the plot. Well, Minnehaha County already has a fairgrounds. It had a racetrack for probably 50 years but the county made it a parking lot and uses the grandstands for concerts during the fair.

ps. if the city or county tried what you're talking about, I think it would keep enough lawyers busy to keep the phone book companies in business longer selling back cover ads.

   I'd say it is an important economic factor in the city of Brandon. However, not everyone there likes having a race track as a neighbor. What's needed is someone to run the track that can effectively deal with the community issues involved. 

WHO?

The field you are referring to is straight East. The one I am referring to is SW. You can measure elevations above sea level with Google Earth. I do it for my job daily. Anyhow it's not really the point or worth arguing about. 500 dollars an acre is a severe underestimation of land value in the Midwest. The original 3000 was much closer. That's all I'm saying. Hope it becomes a functioning track soon. It is a sad point where we are at now for all of us midwestern fans who don't need another track to shut its doors.

Looks like Chucky has three options for the Speedway.  He can appeal the decision to the planning board of adjustment, file for a conditional use permit or sell the property as agriculture land.

http://www.keloland.com/news/article/news/badlands-motor-speedway-for-and-against

I wouldn't say anything's a slam dunk here.  I'm not a lawyer, nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.  But I'm not sure what lawyers would be drooling over here.  Simple fact of the matter is there was an agreement, host at least one race a year or else the land is to be used only for agricultural purposes.  No races were hosted in a year and now they are saying it's only to be used for agricultural purposes unless a conditional is reissued.  What's the legal ramifications?  They are doing exactly what they said they would do if races weren't held there.  An agreement that was agreed upon by both parties.  I'm sure there is more to the story but I'm not sure what lawyers will be drooling over.

     The quoting function here is a little wonky. 3togo is replying to my post below:
"What's needed is someone to run the track that can effectively deal with the community issues involved."

     I don't know who that person is. By the process of elimination, I know of one person who probably would not be on that list.

     I think that's the 3rd time I can remember it flooding out, although admitedly it only happens about every 10 years or so.

     I feel that Chuck has so messed up (killed) local racing around Sioux Falls that we are now reduced to debating the relative value of flood-prone farmland. Before anybody jumps the gun, I don't think Chuck would make a very good farmer either.

Whatever you want to say about SuperChuck, he spent a bunch of money on that place and it’s not your usual local race track eyesore. There’s probably a compromise here where whomever the new owners are can operate 6-10 times per year with specials. Given the internet message board rule that no track within 350 Miles of Knoxville can operate a track that races sprintson the same night, the only other option is Sunday’s, which is a dead night for entertainment and probably would ensure failure.

For all of their shortcomings, the Rubins managed to sucessfully operate that track on Sunday night for 30 yrs and the new owner closed it down after a little more than a year of racing on Saturday night.

That would lead one to believe that racing on Sunday night isn't and never was a problem.    All you need to do is start on time and run a fast efficient program that can reliably be done between 10 and 10:30

Pasture land $500 an acre?  For those who can't read, my post said "land that can be used only for pasture land is worth no more than $500". Only for pasture land and nothing else as thats what a post prior to mine said, that it was land good for pasture land only.   Sure if its zoned for residential and someone wants to live in lowland next to a creek that might flood, and people build houses on it, its certainlly worth more than $500 an acre.  Possibly more than $3,000 an acre.  Maybe a lot more.  Take it a few steps further, say the government wants to build a radar base there or some type of military installation there (if creek route is changed by man), what the hell, it might be worth  a million dollars--the sky is the limit.  BUT, it said, "can be used ONLY for pasture land, then $500 an acre is about it.  Maybe there is a gold mine under the ground.  Millions an acre?  How far do you want to take the guesswork.

Forget about that, its never ever going to be used for pasture land, not in our lifetime or the next.  

 Lawlessness and liberalism equals Hell.  NY City, 
Detroit, Seattle, Chicago, Minnepolis, etc. We saw it. 
Burning hundreds of buildings, a thousand assaults and 
dozens of murders. Getting worser and worser.

People who buy a house next to a race track them bitch about the noise are really stupid.  Chuck dropped the ball and now the Everybody associated with racing in the area are screwed.

Unfortunately in the majority of cases they end up being the winners.  I kind of see their point.  I have been going to races for over 50 years but wouldn't want to live next to a track.  We are mostly residential but had a business that grinds scrap concrete on a big conveyor.  I have a home music studio and couldn't use it on week days.  I never knew it was there until I moved in back in 1997 until we heard it.  They shut it down and it makes a big difference when I can sit on my deck without ear plugs.  

Stan Meissner

I dont think we are necessarily screwed. The track needs a conditional use permit to operate. To some this sounds like trying ride a bottle rocket to the moon and it cannot and will not ever be done. I have a hard time believing they wont get some sort of permit to operate. There are plenty of well informed people here pleading our case to the powers that be and they are doing a great job. Races will happen there again. This is nothing more than ironing out the legalities of it. 

And whoever thinks Sundays wont work I feel couldnt be more wrong. It ran successfully on Sundays for as long as anyone can remember. Put the Husets name back on it and run on Sunday nights and I bet a shiny nickel says that place is packed if its run correctly.

    I guess I'm more optimistic than you are about this. Yes, Chuck dropped the ball. I think we can agree to agree on that aspect.

     The lady that is quoted in the Argus didn't sound like she totally against the track reopening. She sounded like she thought the track needed to work on things like noise. I have friends who live in Brandon who are not race fans. Their issues are: noise, late nights, dust and traffic. It's reasonable that any non-racefan would have similar concerns. Those are challenges to be worked out, not neccesarily deal killers.

     I think Sunday nights could work. Figure out what made it work for nearly 50 years and improve on that.

Tired of the drama with this place. I am about to the point i could care less if they turn it into testing range for the SD Air National Guard and their F-15 Squadron. And i have been going to races there since the 1970’s... 

I agree totally with your assessment of the people who buy houses next to racetracks.    It's not just racetracks though.   I had a co-worker years ago that bought a house close to D/FW Airport and was the leader of a group of people who went and complained about the noise from the airplanes.   I'm surprised racetracks aren't more proactive to limit noise before it becomes a problem and someone forces them to.   

Some neighbors would probably have a problem with that. How much of a problem would depend on their aim I suppose.