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March 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: slideguy on March 21 2018 at 02:11:16 PM
I think where a lot of us, especially from the midwest, are struggling with expectations that this race should be on par with the Knoxville Nationals and that cars should be towing in from Knoxville, Pennsylvania and everywhere to run it. The reality is that it isn't the Knoxville Nationals, and while it is on par with the Kings Royal, it is also running against a Knoxville point night and a big show at Lincoln. If this event lasts 20 year, I can see tracks trying to block this date off their schedule so drivers can run it, but I also don't expect a feild of 80 cars either.
This event is essentially the spring version of the Kings Royal. The Kings Royal had 53 cars including 15 WoO teams. That would result in a feild of 38 non outlaw teams. I would say if the race has 45 cars, that would be a success! Anything north of 50 would be very fantastic!
Everyone is excited, but I agree that cautious optimism and realistic expectations are needed.
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20 years??? hahah. IF (and I know its a big IF) this is a success, I would hope tracks considering leaving this weekend open in 2019. Drivers want to race these big money shows. Gravel was lobbying for World Racing Group to let them run before the WoO schedule was released. If the event goes smooth I have to imagine the Outlaw drivers will only want to race it even more next year. Being this early in the season I don't think its ridiculous to ask Knoxville and PA tracks to allow their teams to travel. Is this race in Lincoln prestiguous or something? Like a memorial race or something??? I understand $7k is more than the usual local weekly payout but c'mon. Don't try to justify missing a race with a $200K+ purse for $7k-to-win.
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March 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: slideguy on March 21 2018 at 02:11:16 PM
I think where a lot of us, especially from the midwest, are struggling with expectations that this race should be on par with the Knoxville Nationals and that cars should be towing in from Knoxville, Pennsylvania and everywhere to run it. The reality is that it isn't the Knoxville Nationals, and while it is on par with the Kings Royal, it is also running against a Knoxville point night and a big show at Lincoln. If this event lasts 20 year, I can see tracks trying to block this date off their schedule so drivers can run it, but I also don't expect a feild of 80 cars either.
This event is essentially the spring version of the Kings Royal. The Kings Royal had 53 cars including 15 WoO teams. That would result in a feild of 38 non outlaw teams. I would say if the race has 45 cars, that would be a success! Anything north of 50 would be very fantastic!
Everyone is excited, but I agree that cautious optimism and realistic expectations are needed.
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That is a good point that if it is the second highest winning race in the country you would expect a field of cars somewhere between the Kings Royal/National Open and the Knoxville Nationals. Reality though car wise 50 would be a solid number because a lot of Ohio guys do not go to Knoxville so you can probably sub the Ohio regulars in for the Knoxville regulars that compete during the Nationals. Whether the quality is the same is subjective to the eyes of the beholder on that though.
Lincoln wise is a little bit tougher. I still think some PA guys will come but I do not see where it really hurts this event too much. To me I think it still would have been just as big say if the winners share was 50-60k, and they spread the other 40-50k throughout the field. That way you could promote the purse in its entirety and publish it at the start. I get with not wanting to pay a sanctioning fee but it is a risk that you take. It appears that they have cooperation with all the surrounding tracks which is more critical.
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March 21, 2018 at
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I'd say this event just picked up another car with the destiny ride dropping off the WoO tour.
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March 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: motorhead748 on March 21 2018 at 03:21:39 PM
I'd say this event just picked up another car with the destiny ride dropping off the WoO tour.
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I would say you're right.
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March 21, 2018 at
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It’ll be interesting to see if Roth lets eliason do the WoO tour, he’s been very fast so far this year. If so, this race will lose a car.
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March 21, 2018 at
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Carson Macedo has the race scheduled.
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March 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: slideguy on March 21 2018 at 02:11:16 PM
I think where a lot of us, especially from the midwest, are struggling with expectations that this race should be on par with the Knoxville Nationals and that cars should be towing in from Knoxville, Pennsylvania and everywhere to run it. The reality is that it isn't the Knoxville Nationals, and while it is on par with the Kings Royal, it is also running against a Knoxville point night and a big show at Lincoln. If this event lasts 20 year, I can see tracks trying to block this date off their schedule so drivers can run it, but I also don't expect a feild of 80 cars either.
This event is essentially the spring version of the Kings Royal. The Kings Royal had 53 cars including 15 WoO teams. That would result in a feild of 38 non outlaw teams. I would say if the race has 45 cars, that would be a success! Anything north of 50 would be very fantastic!
Everyone is excited, but I agree that cautious optimism and realistic expectations are needed.
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C.O. is the best way to put it... I was informed today that we have 2 campsites... I have said all winter that I'll believe this show when I'm sittin in the stands! As of right now, haven't even talked about goin. If it goes & we don't make it, all the best to them. Got a lot goin on & we got the whole season. Attica just cancelled. Really didn't want to go & freeze my ass off, hell, might make me shorter!!!
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March 21, 2018 at
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Why not leave it a stand alone event for what I believe it was intended, more for the lower budget guys not the guys with all the goodies already IE: WOO.
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Posted By: YungWun24 on March 21 2018 at 08:08:30 AM
My initial reactions when this was announced were," did they think about other series and other possible tracks", but it may be impossible to schedule around everyone's dates.
Unless I missed this already why not work with the WOO or All Stars and get this on their schedule in future years?
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It's definitely impossible to schedule around everyone elses dates. This would be a great addition to the All-Star schedule but I suspect just about all the all-star drivers will be there anyway. I also think it's great that a track can have a big paying event like this WITHOUT the WOO. Sprint car racing needs more of that.
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March 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: slideguy on March 21 2018 at 02:11:16 PM
I think where a lot of us, especially from the midwest, are struggling with expectations that this race should be on par with the Knoxville Nationals and that cars should be towing in from Knoxville, Pennsylvania and everywhere to run it. The reality is that it isn't the Knoxville Nationals, and while it is on par with the Kings Royal, it is also running against a Knoxville point night and a big show at Lincoln. If this event lasts 20 year, I can see tracks trying to block this date off their schedule so drivers can run it, but I also don't expect a feild of 80 cars either.
This event is essentially the spring version of the Kings Royal. The Kings Royal had 53 cars including 15 WoO teams. That would result in a feild of 38 non outlaw teams. I would say if the race has 45 cars, that would be a success! Anything north of 50 would be very fantastic!
Everyone is excited, but I agree that cautious optimism and realistic expectations are needed.
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Didn't this race have 60 - something cars last year? It pays more this year. I don't know what the Knoxville Nationals has to do with this race? I'm sure will be some teams skipping weekly shows in PA, Knoxville or wherever they normally race to attend and there will be others that choose to stay home and race for less(much less). Regardless, I'll bet they get a very nice field of cars.
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March 21, 2018 at
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Is the Allstar schedule solid enough that Tony will not schedule any races on 427/18 & 4/28/18? Could he use these dates for rain dates. Fan support would have a big impact on this?!?!
"You will never know it was your "Day" until it's over"
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March 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: Redman on March 21 2018 at 06:48:13 PM
Is the Allstar schedule solid enough that Tony will not schedule any races on 427/18 & 4/28/18? Could he use these dates for rain dates. Fan support would have a big impact on this?!?!
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I'd have to imagine if tony did that race fans and the allstar teams would nail him to the cross so to speak
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March 22, 2018 at
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March 22, 2018 at
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Whats ironic is this: when WoO started, wasn't any race that paid $2,000 to win considered an Outlaw points race?
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March 22, 2018 at
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Posted By: HoldenCaulfield on March 21 2018 at 05:28:55 PM
Didn't this race have 60 - something cars last year? It pays more this year. I don't know what the Knoxville Nationals has to do with this race? I'm sure will be some teams skipping weekly shows in PA, Knoxville or wherever they normally race to attend and there will be others that choose to stay home and race for less(much less). Regardless, I'll bet they get a very nice field of cars.
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This is the first year for this event. You may be confusing this with a race they had last year on the Saturday nite of the Knoxville nationals. I think they had 67 or so wing 410's and 30 or so non wings and it seems there was another division because seems I remember there being talk of 130 cars. The event did not run smoothly and the wing 410 feature was cut from 30 to 20 laps because it was approaching 4am. I had friends who were there both with a car and as spectators and neither heaped praise on the event.
I did go too 2 events there. The first was a spring race that was cancelled as we got there and the second was an ASCOC show towards the end of the season. It was a decent show but nothing that took your breath away and wing 410's were the only class and it seems they were 4 hrs running the show.
ill wait till the morning of the 28th to decide whether to go.
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March 22, 2018 at
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Posted By: motorhead748 on March 22 2018 at 06:19:02 AM
This is the first year for this event. You may be confusing this with a race they had last year on the Saturday nite of the Knoxville nationals. I think they had 67 or so wing 410's and 30 or so non wings and it seems there was another division because seems I remember there being talk of 130 cars. The event did not run smoothly and the wing 410 feature was cut from 30 to 20 laps because it was approaching 4am. I had friends who were there both with a car and as spectators and neither heaped praise on the event.
I did go too 2 events there. The first was a spring race that was cancelled as we got there and the second was an ASCOC show towards the end of the season. It was a decent show but nothing that took your breath away and wing 410's were the only class and it seems they were 4 hrs running the show.
ill wait till the morning of the 28th to decide whether to go.
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This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier... Mansfield put on a $15k-to-win show on the same weekend of Knoxville Nationals and still pulled 60+ cars. Yes the event was a shit show and they would've been better off running 410s only that night... but no one was expecting 130 total cars. That being said, if they were able to pull 60 cars last year for $15k, I would expect them to easily beat that for th SCWC. I would hope they learned alot about their own facilities and track prep last year. Im not going to write them off because they struggled their first season back on dirt. If the 5-day forcast is sunny and 55 degrees prior to April 28th I would expect entires coming out of the wood work.
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Posted By: SAF92 on March 22 2018 at 07:25:54 AM
This is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier... Mansfield put on a $15k-to-win show on the same weekend of Knoxville Nationals and still pulled 60+ cars. Yes the event was a shit show and they would've been better off running 410s only that night... but no one was expecting 130 total cars. That being said, if they were able to pull 60 cars last year for $15k, I would expect them to easily beat that for th SCWC. I would hope they learned alot about their own facilities and track prep last year. Im not going to write them off because they struggled their first season back on dirt. If the 5-day forcast is sunny and 55 degrees prior to April 28th I would expect entires coming out of the wood work.
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For the sake of those who want to see a high car count I hope you're right. My guess is 40-50. The big purse does not garauntee a big car count and in some cases has the opposite affect.
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March 22, 2018 at
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The Great Lake Dirt Nationals is a cool concept but yes, they were totally unprepared for the amount of cars they had. It didn't help that the Friday night portion didn't run due to a rain out when they could have taken some lessons learned into the Saturday portion.
I don't think they'll get as many cars as they did for that but honestly I'm more interested in the quality of cars than the quantity.
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March 22, 2018 at
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Here is what I have thus far from Twitter/facebook, driver websites, and Mansfield accounts.
Rico Abreu #24
Spencer Bayston #39
Kory Crabtree #60
Lance Dewease #69K
Cole Duncan #22
Cory Eliason #83
Mitchell Harble #19
Lee Jacobs #81
Adam Kekich #5k
Jeremy Kornbau #27
Carson Macedo #21x
Brandon Matus #13
Parker Price Miller #4
Jess Stiger #8G
Brandon Wimmer #48
Duane Zablocki #9
Brock Zearfoss #3
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Somebody clue me in please. When I look at Google maps, I see a paved track. Do they put on dirt for this race?
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March 22, 2018 at
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Posted By: Murphy on March 22 2018 at 10:17:35 AM
Somebody clue me in please. When I look at Google maps, I see a paved track. Do they put on dirt for this race?
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Correct - it has gone back to dirt. It is a great facitlity.
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