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Hope you have some thick skin.  

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Thank you. I'm all in. If you can't think outside of the box you aren't thinking.

You do realize the heads run today are light years more capable than what was ran in '94?

I'm with you and fixxer on that one as you may have seen in my earlier post, but too many of todays fans say Steve and Sammy got all those wins becuase there wasn't as much competition back then. To that I say bullshit! The guys they competed against are on the who's who list of all time greats! And some of them are still racing.

No bitterness here but I question one thing and one thing only. How is it that the WOO prevented Ford from running a sprint car motor? Where in the rules does it say you have to run XYZ block or heads? Please cite some sources because I'm definitely intrigued by your sources.

As for the Chevy with ports with equal spacing and a front mount which motor would that be exactly? Last I knew the only Chevy small block with equal port spacings was the LS family of motors and they had no factory distributor. In fact there was a push a few years back by Shaver and Schatz for the A4MP motor but it never garnered any support it seems.

I know one thing, the WOO themselves in their own rule book don't prohibit any specific type of engine. In fact here is their 2016 rule book for reference. http://woosprint.com/images/stories/MainImages/PDF/2016SprintRuleBookFinalWeb.pdf 

What Luna ran is what evolved into the SC1 that dominated Silver Crown 12 years ago that became D3 that dominates super late model racing today.   

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

All the ford-like chev stuff is illegal. 

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Kidding about the driver comparison of coarse. 

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

That's cool!

Show where in the rules.  I posted a link to the rules above.  Show where it's illegal.  No conjecture.  No rumors.  No I heard this or I heard that.  Show it in black and white.  

Was Hewitt still running SC then?  secondly, I don't follow cabs , dirt or pavement, who runs fords? It may spark my interest...

Its there plain as the record book showing Casey Luna's multiple titles.  The engine specs are peppered with it.  Section 15.  They even have some of it underlined as if to say "in your face anyone looking for something unique under the hood.  I'm as simple as they come.  I detail vintage lawn mowers for a hobby for pity's sake.  But I need just a little wee bit more to get excited than where the drivers sleep in December and January. 

Splayed valve is exaust ports like a Ford.  I think we've covered the canted valve thing enough already but I'll say some more.  By 1988 Luna's Ford was clearly faster in the mud on the big tracks but by the early 90's the chevs were catching up.  When the "Yates" stuff came in 92, the dominance returned soon.  All Yates stuff is and always has been lots of things now clearly listed "as we might let you if you kiss our ass but won't in the very end if it might actually make your car go faster".  They take it even further than the rule book suggests.  I've talked to guys with antique Ford stuff worth less than KKRs' pit cart and the goobers won't let them run.  Not exactly sure what rotated means (doubt if most WoO officials do either).  Mag location like all Fords (since the Y block from even before the sbc) is much better in the front for multiple reasons.

I clicked on your link.  Its all there.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

They're the ugliest thing on wheels but Bloomquist vaporized everyone in the Lucas series with the all new RY45 stuff like they run in cup.  Richards however is still faster with the ol' Clevelandish stuff and smashed about every record since Moses in 2016 in the WoO series.  That's right the WoO series.  How ironic.  Why they are perfectly fine with it in the lm deal but act like its incest in the sprints is beyond me.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

Just make them run a spec tire. Power is useless if you cant put it to the ground.

Bingo.  If everyone truly wants slower instead of faster, tire is much simpler than complicated engine details that only an engine builder truly totally understands.  I'd love to know the guy or girl that came up with these rules.  I haven't seen a WoO official that looked they would know what a canted valve head was if it bit them in the vagina.

Luna's Ford engine style that won 2 WoO titles and 3 
Kings Royals before a weight rule against the best EVER
in their prime and now DOMINATES super dirt late model
racing is no longer allowed/wanted in a WoO sprint
car.... Was Luna a miracle worker?

keeps wings and tires what they are...big motors = excitement

Lincoln 1845 ft/.35 mile T1=118MPH 
Eldora 2287 ft/.43mile T3=135MPH
Port 2716 ft/.51 mile T3=TBD
Grove 2792 ft/.53 mile T3=135MPH
Selinsgrove 2847 ft/.54 mile T1=136MPH
"I didn't move to PA from El Paso in search of better 
weather." Van May

Who cares  if a not really Ford beats a not really chevy.  The TS Ford engines may have been in works at Shaver for a years.  The parts will not be anything inside like they were in 1990, but say the Ford head may look similar on outside.  They would not screw around with things if it were not already WOO approved.  Shaver uses his own head design on chevys, could he not also do the same thing with Ford.  Also Roach may have provided alot of info on this moter.

Where in the rule book does it say XYZ motor is banned.  Please point it out.  As for the section about the distributer/mag you better read that again.  

I read the rules governing engines per the WoO 2016 Rule Book. It is as follows:

The Canted Valve argument:

Rule 15.1  J. Cylinder heads must retain a traditional valve pattern. Rotation of the vlaves will not be permitted. Canted or Splayed Valve cylinder heads must be approved prior to introduction or competition. 

That seems pretty self explanitory to me. If you want to run a spalyed valve or canted valve configuration as you suggest, all someone has to do is submit it to the sanctioning body for approval, though it does not look as if anyone has done so, yet. I am sure TSR will do just that. 

The Distributor Placement Argument: 

Rule 15.1 D. Engines with the magneto and/or distibutor in a forward mounted and/or front mounted position will be allowed but must be approved prior to competition. Engines with the magneto and/or distibutor mounted in the stock OEM production position for the block and engine must be apporved prior to competition. 

Approved Front Drive Magneto System: Moroso 60205 & 60206

Again seems pretty clear, you can run a front drive mag if you submit it to the santioning body for approval. 

Rule 15.1 R. New engine components and/or new engine configurations must be submitted and approved per the World Of Outlaws Craftsman Sprint Car Series Engine Builder 's Guide prior to being introduced for competition. 

Full disclosure, I have never seen this "engine builders guide", but that being said, it seems clear you can introduce whatever engine combination you want to, within the rules, and if approved you can race it. 

So what have I pointed out ....... if you want to race a Ford, pony up the money, submit the parts or engine, and then the sanctioning body will consdier it for competition. They can disapprove it sure, but my bet is that "He who has the money, will get what they want" JMHO