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Your  right  I don't hate or dislike the WRG , I just want to see cost cutting and to make the racing even better and it could be done .

BULLSHIT! You're lying through your teeth again Robert.  Your hatred, jealous, dislike, or whatever the hell it is with WRG/WoO comes out in damn near every post & out of your mouth relentlessly.  God only knows what they did to you in your mind, but say what you want WRG has the elite Series in Sprint Cars that pays the most money, offers the best travel packages & point fund, has the best drivers in the world, and puts the most asses in the seats.  They also do pretty well with the WoO Late Models, the Super DIRT Series, and knows how to put big events on from the DIRTcar Nationals, Super DIRT Week, World Finals and many others.    So you can continue to poor mouth them, but what's it do other than make you look like a fool as usual.

i may be wrong but didnt the WRG have a deal with a tire manufacturer and made it 

that all sprint cars that raced an Outlaw event had to run that tire, None of the other series 

followed the Outlaws so the WRG had to backpeddle on this rule change because they do

need the other series to survive too. 

You can think what you want , I don't like there rules , procedures , etc but I don't dislike them , have no hatred for them or  I should say there staff . I respect all there drivers who race with them , as  I respect all drivers no matter what they race . Sir , I don't lie .  Sorry this got off the topic , it is a shame we lost another driver from Pa to the All stars but hey will race here when there schedules allow them to.

Cool story but, you don't like the WoO and everything you say about them proves it. As usual, logic, rationality and pure common sense eludes you.

I understand why....my problem is that Bob keeps blaming the WoO for everybody following them.  I don't blame them at all.  They have settled on a model that works for them, their drivers, and their stakeholders.  In reality, tracks conforming to them makes them better because it creates the local for WoO rivalries which lead to some of the best atmospheres in racing.  

It is possible to run a track and be successful without running winged 410's, without following the WoO model....hell, tracks that have no 410's at all book the series and have some huge crowds when the come because it is a novelty to have them.  However, there are a number of tracks and drivers that always are going to go after the brass ring, and right now, that brass ring is trying to field a competitive winged 410 division that can compete with the Outlaws when you bring them to town.  It must work for these tracks, or the ego's are too big to admit that it doesn't.  However, if it causes a track to struggle or car counts to fall, it isn't WRG's fault that they are choosing a business model that doesn't work for them.  WoO is an elite national touring series, which means its always going to be more expensive to run and more difficult to compete against....those who run that tour are going to spend money to find speed no matter what the rules are.  If you don't like it, don't follow them as a fan, don't conform to them as a track, and don't try to compete with them as a race team.  But we know, that that is not going to happen, because people like to run with the big boys.

I wouldnt call Ryan leaving to run the All-Stars a hit. He didn't race here every week anyhow, and when he was. wasnt a factor. Dietrich driving a few races in the 13 big deal. He traveled some last year. How is Blaney going to the Zemco car a hit to the car count? Lucas has another ride. Not losing anyhting there. Marks is leaving. Other guys like Campbell are moving up. Starks is coming in. Dewease in the 69k is a plus otherwise it would probably be parked. We will have about the same car counts as last year if not a few more. 

NO!!!!! it was rescheduled because there were alot of races in a short time frame. With Natty O coming up Fred felt he would drop the 410s from the Sept 25th show. With all the other big shows coming up he did not want fans to see a watered down show. Felt with all the big shows coming up guys would save equipment for said big show.

http://www.fredrahmerpromotions.com/news/600cc-and-270cc-micro-sprints-highlight-september-25-at-path-valley-revamped-fred-rahmer-promotions-schedule/

Thanks for your opinion  MR fiXXer , it's always good to hear from you or anyone . I have  pleny of logic , rationality and common sense . If you don't agree with me is one thing but to make these accusations is another . Ok , there model works , as most people are in love with the speed of there cars , not the competition or actual  true racing . You know as well as  I do things could be tweaked a little better but like its been said by others it works so why change it . The drivers love the locked down cars and don't want to free them up to make better racing for fans , to have the fans walking out of a track really talking about the racing which in turn would create new fans , WOW !!!   that be a good thing WOULDN'T IT .

Further  more....Don't need 24 cars to have a good race. A lot of times those 19th to 24th are gonna drop out at some point anyhow. Groves car count sucks because the Owner sucks. Ports car count is because no one has the funds to run 2 big tracks the same week. Lincoln gets a better car count becuase it isn't as hard on equipment or motors. Yes you may wreck at Lincoln but when you do 9 xs out of 10 the car isn't totaled. only have to relace a few parts not a whole car.

All good points made here by SLINK51 , with the speed of these winged 410'S , it would be nice to see either Port Royal or Selinsgrove down size to at least 3/8 of a mile , but it probably won't happen but I believe racing would be even better then it is now , DON'T YOU ? , OK , if they keep the Outlaw brand or model then it's time to think on how to create better racing and bring in fans , RIGHT .Unfortunately were not getting any younger , look ahead not backwards .

Slink 51 if Fred only cancelled because of to many upcoming races WHY DID HE APOLOGIZE TO THE FANS AFTER HIS LAST RACEt and where is his schedule of races for this year?

Hogue ,Smith and Marks were all in the top 10 in points at the Grove last year and like I said Marks and Smith made all the Speedweek races last year . How many locals will make all this year?

Starks will be on the road alot plus running 360s some and Campbell already made alot of the Grove races last year.

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Robert, have you even watched any WoO races that were not a Pa track last year? The racing was very good, some of the best in years, The WoO cars are no faster than a top 410 form Pa so I dont know why you keep saying fans like the speed of their cars, there is no difference otherwise noone would beat them, right? Sadly Robert, we have read post after post from you making negative comments about the WRG, so please pick a side and stick to  it, its OK if you dont like them but you need better reasons than"the racing could be better" hell the racing could be better at every track accross the country.

Blazer, I still do not agree that the WoO are the reason costs are out of control, we are past the point of saving a few hundred here and  few hundred there, so what rules could they change that are going to make 410 racing affordable or decrease costs enough so that local car counts would come back? You said that someone paid $60K for a 360, how did the WRG cause that rediculous cost when they dont race 360's?  Im not saying tht the WoO cant improve or make some cost cutting rules but come on, the cost of any item is set by what customers are willing to pay.  Racers are some of the most hopefully addicted people I have ever met.  If they believe a speed advantage is avaiable they will deny their families basic needs for a chance to go faster and win. I watched the entry evel stock car class at my local track go from $1500 for a complete cars 8 yrs later guys r dropping $5k to $10k on motors so they can race in a 8 lap feature,if they make the curfew, for a chance at $200 to win.  They have no one but themselves to blame for the increase n costs.  The 358 sprints were started in Pa as an inexpensive alternative to the rising 410 costs, as of 2013-2014 they cost about the same to run, was this also WRG's rule package causing the increase, doubtful.  I dont claim to have the answers but I dont think anyone is at fault here, it is what it is. If 410 racing eventually becomes to expensive and comes to an end (which I doubt will ever happen) racers are not just going to throw in the towel, they will find a more affordaable alternative, finger poiinting and blaming this group or that group gets us nowhere, If you truley believe 410 racing would be more healthy without the Nascar stars and traveling circus that is the WoO, I dont think you have tought it through to the end.  Tony Stewart and Co. bring credibility to our " rotating junk yards" as Ihave heard many who dont get it say.  We can not symultaneously grow the sport and make it inexpensive.  I choose to enjoy it for what it is and let the smart guys predict its demise and the reasons why. From what i have read on this board I live in one the best areas to be a 410 sprint fan, been going to the races here for 40 years and I look forward to those WoO and Allstar events like a kid on Christmas morning.  to each his own I guess, is it march yet? Cant freaking wait to smell teh methanol!!!!

Think Ryan leaving for All Stars and Marks Is a big hit. Smith was always a factor.. Kid and marks I think are the best of the young guys in PA

I'll open a big can of worms with this one......a spec engine would be a start......not a cheap set up but one that stays in a moderate price range. Smaller wings will loosen up the cars and a narrower tire will require more driver imput. None of us think our areas will be affected by shrinkage. But it's real and it's still coming elsewhere is my prediction.

Whatever Bob. Keep rambling.......

OK , WHATEVER YOU SAY , HEY IT'S ALL IN FUN RIGHT

Mr Altman, these are terms that I forbid you to use because you don't know what they mean. 

#1 locked down

#2 free up

#3 racing

#4 car

#5 logic

#6 common sense

#7 there

I'll be back weekly to add to this list as I see fit. Thanks for your cooperation.

Ummmm yeah......

Great list but you forgot "The". Not sure he's ready for that one either.