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July 21, 2018 at
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How many times has Donny Schatz been passed while leading? - a clean pass, not induced by a flat tire, mechanical failure, errant back marker
I'm thinking you don't need your toes even counting the inductions listed.
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July 21, 2018 at
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I would phrase it another way, "who has passed Schatz cleanly and actually stayed ahead of him". Passing Schatz is one thing, staying ahead of him's quite another!
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July 21, 2018 at
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I was also wondering how often drivers pass and stay in front of the 15.
I dont know what is officially a clean slide job and what isnt so I will ask. From the video I saw Schatz had to hit the brakes hard to avoid contact with DeWease. There was no contact so all is good in racing I suppose.
Maybe we need to classify it as the perfect slide or a clean slide.
So is it considered clean when one driver needs brakes to prevent collision and perfect when both can stand on it throughout?
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July 21, 2018 at
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Lance was definitely faster last night, i don’t know if the slide job was completely clean but few are. You have to do those things at the Grove because it’s so hard to pass.
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July 21, 2018 at
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there was that TMAC "wave" a dozen years or so.
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July 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 21 2018 at 09:48:37 AM
Lance was definitely faster last night, i don’t know if the slide job was completely clean but few are. You have to do those things at the Grove because it’s so hard to pass.
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With four restart opportunities I doubt anybody was surprised that Lance got by.......he knows that track better than anyone else racing today does.
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July 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: blazer00 on July 21 2018 at 10:35:37 AM
With four restart opportunities I doubt anybody was surprised that Lance got by.......he knows that track better than anyone else racing today does.
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You are really trying to make a case that Schatz does not know the track well enough because he has only been going there 6-7 times a year for 25 years? I notice you never make the argument that Knoxville veterans like Brian Brown and Terry McCarl should win the Nationals every year because Donny Schatz is too inexperienced to ever compete with the regulars
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July 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: singlefile on July 21 2018 at 11:10:54 AM
You are really trying to make a case that Schatz does not know the track well enough because he has only been going there 6-7 times a year for 25 years? I notice you never make the argument that Knoxville veterans like Brian Brown and Terry McCarl should win the Nationals every year because Donny Schatz is too inexperienced to ever compete with the regulars
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Did I say that or did I say that four restarts played a big part in it? And yes Dewease knows the changing of that track better than Schatz. As for Knoxville.....I make no excuses for why Schatz beats the locals and everybody THAT SHOWS UP at the Nationals. The track fits him to a tee! The only real chance Brown had was the year he passed Donny on the 43rd lap. He should have waited at least 3 or 4 more laps. He not only showed Donny the line, but if you look at the replay, Brown even changed his line in an attempt to hold Donny back. Wrong move. Donny changed up, took the line Brown showed him and waved goodbye. Schatz even spoke about that in his post race interview. I'll never argue that the Knoxville locals should beat Donny at the Nationals. Are you kidding?!
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July 21, 2018 at
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Posted By: singlefile on July 21 2018 at 11:10:54 AM
You are really trying to make a case that Schatz does not know the track well enough because he has only been going there 6-7 times a year for 25 years? I notice you never make the argument that Knoxville veterans like Brian Brown and Terry McCarl should win the Nationals every year because Donny Schatz is too inexperienced to ever compete with the regulars
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So what is your argument then? That track experience has nothing to do with it and Lance is better than Schatz? When Lance went to Mansfield and didn’t qualify, does that mean 24 guys were better than him?
Lance is probably better than anyone at the Grove, put him at knoxville or Eldora hes not as good.
All anyone is saying by commenting on track experience is to put the victory in context.
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July 21, 2018 at
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I am impressed by Lance and that team everytime I see them run. Lance makes few mistakes and is always there in the final third of the race.
I agree, first thing I thought when Lance slid Donny was... Wow, that does not happen very often.
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July 21, 2018 at
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Back to the thread title.. I suspect Donny has been passed more when further back in the field. He has lost positions before when he is off going 4 to 9th etc etc. We just dont remeber those cause its "off camera". With that said it would be nice to see a chart of plus minus type stats. But when he is leading few every get to say they passed him. I just wish Marks would have lapped him a few weeks back. For Marks sake.
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July 21, 2018 at
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What even takes less fingers to count is how many times Schatz has recorded a DNF. I’d bet that has happened even fewer times than he’s been passed for the lead. Which, in my opinion, proof he’s one of the cleanest sprint car drivers out there.
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July 22, 2018 at
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Larson went by schatz like he was standing still at eagle and the burg last year....
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July 22, 2018 at
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Posted By: msh on July 21 2018 at 09:51:57 AM
there was that TMAC "wave" a dozen years or so.
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Absolutely fantastic moment. Talk about a set of balls on TMAC!
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July 22, 2018 at
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Sweet and Gravel at Knoxville a few weeks back. Gravel held him off and maybe even ran away at the end. As for the TMAC wave, which race was that? Was that his qualifying night a few years back where he was unstoppable that night or is his a while back on a normal outlaw show at Knoxville. Just trying to remember and wanting to go rewatch the video
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