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Topic: $3,000 To Win Non Winged 360's @ SMS!!!!!!! "360 BASH FOR CASH"
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June 19, 2013 at
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June 20, 2013 at
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Unfortunately the Rebel wing 360's will NOT be coming to Santa Maria Speedway on June 29th. So I am trying to put a $3,000 to win $200 to start NON Winged 360 show in it's place. WC360 and VRA rules. I know it is VERY short notice but if we can get enough interest we will do it. PLEASE PASS THE WORD TO ANY 360 DRIVER/OWNER
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June 20, 2013 at
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Just a reminder quite a few Sprint teams made plans to run my Midget show at Plaza that night since they had the night off. It would be unfortunate to lose some teams. Might be a lose lose.
We may come see the Wc360 show this Saturday! Gonna be awesome. They always put on a great show!
Scott Woodhouse
Kings Speedway
www.kingsspeedway.net
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June 20, 2013 at
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well this raises a few questions in my mind.
1.if we can pay 3000 to win for this show then why not raise all of our wc 360 shows to 3000 to win?
2.the other thought is if 3000 to win then also should roll to 400 to start to draw cars.
see ya saturday.
moose
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June 20, 2013 at
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Posted By: mrmoose on June 20 2013 at 11:38:30 AM
well this raises a few questions in my mind.
1.if we can pay 3000 to win for this show then why not raise all of our wc 360 shows to 3000 to win?
2.the other thought is if 3000 to win then also should roll to 400 to start to draw cars.
see ya saturday.
moose
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I think that you are missing the point. Ruben is offering $3000 to win and $300 to start because a sponsor has added the difference. Also, There are other fees that are associated with running the USAC WC360 race.
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June 20, 2013 at
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That's just it don't call it a USAC or VRA event and then they won't get any FEES. Just call it a 360 show. That way more money for the teams.
We need more sprint car racing at our home track.
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June 20, 2013 at
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This is a Santa Maria Speedway event. Non USAC or VRA. Sorry for the confusion.
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June 20, 2013 at
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Posted By: m1213 on June 20 2013 at 12:23:17 PM
I think that you are missing the point. Ruben is offering $3000 to win and $300 to start because a sponsor has added the difference. Also, There are other fees that are associated with running the USAC WC360 race.
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I dont expect anyone to really know this, so I just want everyone to know how the West Coast Sprint Cars work.
The only fee associated with a USAC West Coast Sprint race to a promoter, is a $100 sanction fee! For that you get A Series, Pre race Press releases, post race press releases,Race director, staging & line up official (and scoring for this event),Big winner check for the trophy dash, $100 cash for the trophy dash winner, Billet Aluminum trophy and big winner check for main event winner.
Thank you, Chris Kearns
Chris Kearns
www.ChrisKearnsPresents.com
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June 20, 2013 at
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Posted By: chriskearns on June 20 2013 at 08:10:08 PM
I dont expect anyone to really know this, so I just want everyone to know how the West Coast Sprint Cars work.
The only fee associated with a USAC West Coast Sprint race to a promoter, is a $100 sanction fee! For that you get A Series, Pre race Press releases, post race press releases,Race director, staging & line up official (and scoring for this event),Big winner check for the trophy dash, $100 cash for the trophy dash winner, Billet Aluminum trophy and big winner check for main event winner.
Thank you, Chris Kearns
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Sounds like a deal to me.
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June 20, 2013 at
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If we paid $3000 to win each time you raced we wouldn't be able to survive. But special events is nice.
I just hate add on shows that could hurt an established event is what I feel. I just hope I don't lose some Midgets over this late add on. Some teams that were planning on coming to Plaza had the weekend off from sprints.
Not sure what I should do here.
Scott Woodhouse
Kings Speedway
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June 20, 2013 at
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Posted By: m1213 on June 20 2013 at 12:23:17 PM
I think that you are missing the point. Ruben is offering $3000 to win and $300 to start because a sponsor has added the difference. Also, There are other fees that are associated with running the USAC WC360 race.
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ok i have looked and looked and i do not see where it says a sponsor has jumped up and provided extra money to make the difference,if you got inside info maybe you would like to say who this sponsor is and give the the props they deserve.
now on to why i posted this in the first place.
most all of us run the west coast 360 series and support it,the occasional 360 non sanction show is great but my point is if we can provide this extra purse for a non sanction show then i would hope that it could be bumped for the other 2 shows we have there.
im also thinking if you make this bold move and draw cars but lower it back to regular purse the following 2 weekends and dont draw cars usac will take the blame,sometimes these money shows are good and sometimes bad.
money on top looks good but its best to boost from the bottom and work way to the top to draw cars in my mind,see you all there.
m
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June 20, 2013 at
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Posted By: chriskearns on June 20 2013 at 08:10:08 PM
I dont expect anyone to really know this, so I just want everyone to know how the West Coast Sprint Cars work.
The only fee associated with a USAC West Coast Sprint race to a promoter, is a $100 sanction fee! For that you get A Series, Pre race Press releases, post race press releases,Race director, staging & line up official (and scoring for this event),Big winner check for the trophy dash, $100 cash for the trophy dash winner, Billet Aluminum trophy and big winner check for main event winner.
Thank you, Chris Kearns
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what am I missing here,are you telling me if I want to promote a USAC 360 show at my track i can get all this for a $100 !!!!!!!???????????
ROB
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June 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: turn4rob on June 20 2013 at 10:26:50 PM
what am I missing here,are you telling me if I want to promote a USAC 360 show at my track i can get all this for a $100 !!!!!!!???????????
ROB
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Yes. That is what I am telling you. That is all that I charged the promoters this year. And that is basically to cover the postage and check writing that I do on Monday mornings. Sure, I would love to raise that, and should. But I am happy to be able to book shows, and be safe that the promoters can pay the purse without loosing their a**. If they cant afford it, we dont get to race. I never have much trouble booking my shows in Reno.
Chris Kearns
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June 21, 2013 at
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June 21, 2013 at
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Why does it matter where the money comes from? If someone rubbed a magic lamp and 3,000 to win magically appears I wouldn't complain. So why don't the complainers sack up and cross the line first. I bet I won't see tears then.
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June 21, 2013 at
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Is this the same date as the URA show at Orange Show Speedway?
It would be nice if promoters from Santa Maria, Perris, Ventura, URA, Oildale, Hanford and Tulare worked together on a schedule. I know there will be conflicts, (Santa Maria and Ventura last weekend for example), but a couple of weeks ago there was no sprint car races from Santa Maria to Perris. Why have two races on the same night within 100 miles of each other, and than no sprint car races the same month. It would be nice if sprint car promoters worked nice together and not against each other. I think Scotty, Naylor and Don K. just to work together this year, which is great for fans/racers.
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June 21, 2013 at
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Posted By: jdfast on June 21 2013 at 12:50:56 PM
Is this the same date as the URA show at Orange Show Speedway?
It would be nice if promoters from Santa Maria, Perris, Ventura, URA, Oildale, Hanford and Tulare worked together on a schedule. I know there will be conflicts, (Santa Maria and Ventura last weekend for example), but a couple of weeks ago there was no sprint car races from Santa Maria to Perris. Why have two races on the same night within 100 miles of each other, and than no sprint car races the same month. It would be nice if sprint car promoters worked nice together and not against each other. I think Scotty, Naylor and Don K. just to work together this year, which is great for fans/racers.
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This is like watching dominoes fall and the cast of participants grows each day. We have promoters, racers, fans and last but not least a race license director all involved with this one posting and all with a different axes to grind. The first promoter cancels out the second promoters main event and then worries about loosing some of his midget racers to the second promoter who is only trying to save his weekend of racing. This is a one time event, if held, and I believe where the promoter gets the money is no bodies business unless he steals it from a bank.
Racers only worry should be, how do I get paid and how will I spend the money. Fans are looking for a show, albeit one thrown together, but sprint car fans are happy with most classes of sprints.
I thought the meeting in Reno was supposed to alleviate most of the conflicts, but remember the Orange/Victorville group got started after the Reno meeting so there is bound to be conflicts. Why Ventura and SMS can not live together is a mystery.
Then for some reason people brought up the licensing fees, and I bet a lot of you were surprised by the bunch of stuff that Kearn`s does for $100.00. So that is not an issue, at least at this time.
You have a new promoter trying his best to save his weekend and I fully understand Scott`s reasoning behind his decision. Only wish it had been known earlier. We all remember a couple of years ago when the feature race was the ARCA sprints and only four cars showed up. To his credit, Kearns paid out the first four places money.
Time now for all of us to calm down and see what happens. As the promoter inferred, this is not a guaranteed happening. All we can do now is wait and hope for the best for all involved; Promoters, racers and fans.
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June 22, 2013 at
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June 22, 2013 at
03:30:22 AM by raj
Just trying to get the facts straight here ('cause my eyes are wobbling) by checking all the track websites:
Orange Show has URS unlimited sprints, URA limited midgets and CLS lighting sprints on the 29th.....
Visalia's Plaza Park Speedway has Scott W's USAC (West Coast?) and BCRA midget show.....
Ruben's Santa Maria Speedway has a USAC/VRA rules (not sanctioned) 360 sprint car show.....
Bakersfield has fenders and fireworks.....
Perris, Tulare and Victorville are closed.....
and Ventura has AMA speedway bikes.
Okay; now I can breathe again. Now. Just thinking out loud..... Based on the USAC WC Midget shows I have seen this year and last, as well as the demonstrated towing habits of USAC and VRA 360 sprint car teams, I'd have to wonder if Scott would lose many cars at Visalia. Kruser and Troy (irregulars in midgets at best) have shown that they can be drawn to tow up and down the Gaviota Pass for a shot at $3K in Nipomo, and moreover if they don't have to mess with any exhaust pipes.
Among the USAC midget "regulars," Shane Golobic and Chris Ennis would seem to be the only ones who'd be at all likely to jump ship for SMS... hurting them both in the midget points hunt. Jonathan Henry's not quite a midget regular, and he does have access to a 360 sprinter. No one else among the USAC 360 people save for Cody Swanson -- who's waaaaay in the midget points hunt -- seems to be on any sprint car lists at the moment.
OSS has not been showing a big draw from the central valley save for the Vander Weerds. Figure about 20 cars almost all coming in from V'ville and points considerably south and west.
Insofar as the VRA regulars are concerned, tonight's schedule conflict at Ventura and SMS will provide no new clues. And if memory serves me fairly well (yes; I know...), Troy, Greg Taylor, the De Blaus and Frith-Smith are the only current VRA drivers I've seen in a USAC WC 360 show over the past three years.
My (observation- and only semi-educated) guess is that it's SMS and OSS that will get "hurt," rather than Visalia.
Because the question for the Vander Weerds -- as for Faria, Niemela (Watt), Bud, Cory (Priestley or ???) and Ryan (Ford) -- is, "Do we go with our 410 and tow (however specifically far over hill and dale) to run with the 'big boys' off the 215... or do we go with our 360 and tow (however specifically far over hill and dale) for a shot at $3K off the 101?"
Texting will occur, no doubt, as will beating on calculators. But I see 15-17 sprint cars at Santa Maria and 16-18 at San Bernardino. Okay guys; have at it.
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June 22, 2013 at
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Nice job and very informative. Your analysis had to take a little while to do.
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June 22, 2013 at
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Scott: Believe me, I understand the value of the "Reno Accords" and =do= have concerns about precedent setting and slipping back into the status quo ante of the era before CK. I also understand -- in no small part from a conversation about sponsorships at Hanford you and I had in front of the stands some time back -- that promoters have their financial necks stretched far more often nowadays than most fans realize. Ruben's pretty obviously thrown a fair amount of his own money at spruce-ups in his first season at SMS... and he's seeing the weather- and geography-driven realities for the first time as a track operator: short season / long arduous tows / what even 15 sprint cars do for him at the front gate. Finally, I surely don't want to do damage to any promoter or track operator before the fact. I hope you =all= come out of the last weekend in June in good shape... and that appropriate lessons are learned where they need to be.
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June 22, 2013 at
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I may be getting upset at nothing. We may all do fine.
Racers will race and Fans will watch them race. Good luck all
Off my soap box for now
Scott Woodhouse
Kings Speedway
www.kingsspeedway.net
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June 22, 2013 at
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June 22, 2013 at
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One hopefully final note on all this: SMS's and URA's schedules show a URA sprint and midget show in =Nipomo= Saturday, August 24th. I doubt that Ruben wanted to do any harm to that with Scott B. And though I don't have a wiretap on his phone (yet), one could expect RM and SB made nice before Ruben announced his show. The best thing we can do is suit up and show up =somewhere= next Saturday with everyone we can drag along and spend some money.
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