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FullTank
March 06, 2007 at 08:28:10 PM
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What would it take to get more sprint car at arlington?




chuckp
March 06, 2007 at 08:56:27 PM
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My bet would be more money and get rid of IMCA



sprntr
March 06, 2007 at 10:23:10 PM
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I would say that the payout could be improved.

On the other hand, if the other weakly Minnesota Sprint Car tracks don't get their shit together Arlington & Redwood become much more attractive!



Confusion
March 06, 2007 at 10:26:39 PM
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This message was edited on March 06, 2007 at 10:30:32 PM by Confusion

I agree with Chuck...I'm actually surprised the promoter has kept the IMCA rules as long as he has. The IMCA rules instantly limit the number of eligible cars. When almost the entire nation has adopted the ASCS rules it seems that making the switch is the only practical thing to do. I wish Jackson would adopt the ASCS rules too. Jackson should have made the switch 5 years ago, but decided to cater to a few outspoken locals instead. While making the transition may create some short term pains for both tracks, it's ultimately the right thing to do for long term growth. I wish our promoters had a little more foresight, instead of hindsight! Once you have a universal rule package you'll have 40 to 50 eligible race teams, instead of 15. Then figure out how to attract the new teams to your track. Give them a reason to participate. Don't do something stupid, like lower the purse and raise the pit pass and then sprinkle some sugar on top and expect everyone to jump for Jack's son!



sprntr
March 06, 2007 at 10:40:25 PM
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Posted By: Confusion on March 06 2007 at 10:26:39 PM

I agree with Chuck...I'm actually surprised the promoter has kept the IMCA rules as long as he has. The IMCA rules instantly limit the number of eligible cars. When almost the entire nation has adopted the ASCS rules it seems that making the switch is the only practical thing to do. I wish Jackson would adopt the ASCS rules too. Jackson should have made the switch 5 years ago, but decided to cater to a few outspoken locals instead. While making the transition may create some short term pains for both tracks, it's ultimately the right thing to do for long term growth. I wish our promoters had a little more foresight, instead of hindsight! Once you have a universal rule package you'll have 40 to 50 eligible race teams, instead of 15. Then figure out how to attract the new teams to your track. Give them a reason to participate. Don't do something stupid, like lower the purse and raise the pit pass and then sprinkle some sugar on top and expect everyone to jump for Jack's son!



Are you nuts?

Universal rules package?

Everyone who ran IMCA, ASCS, Jackson or WISSOTA Sprints was eligible to race at Jackson last season. Only those with ASCS heads or Gaskets are legal in the ASCS Northern Plains THIS year. Only those with ASCS HEADS are legal for ASCS National races this year and everyone will have to have the heads next year in ALL ASCS regions next year. Those heads are an extra $3500+ expense for the car owner.

Why is everyone in such a hurry for all the car owners to contribute to Emmett Hann's retirement fund?

I see NO BENEFIT to the local racers.



Confusion
March 06, 2007 at 11:01:43 PM
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Sprntr-Apparently your one of the outspoken locals I was referring to in my first response! Your right, making the switch may be inconvenient for some, but it's still the right thing to do. While Jackson may have welcomed all, the reality of competing with an IMCA motor makes your point pointless! Eventually the IMCA teams will retire or make a personal decision to switch and tracks like Arlington will be left sprintless. New teams weighing their options will almost always decide to build an ASCS motor, it just makes sense. These issues have nothing to do with Emmitt Hahn...having a universal rule package just makes sense. Tracks that have an interest in inviting some new teams can still choose the ASCS rules without being sanctioned, so there's no need to contribute to Emmitt's retirement fund! Nice try though!  



mccarl1
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March 06, 2007 at 11:26:12 PM
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What do you not understand? What is the difference between a open head 360 and a ascs 360? Some guys at Jackson won with ascs heads and others with open heads. Jackson by far has one of the best rule packages out there. You do not have to worry about weight, front tires, heads, sleeves. Anyone can go run Jackson anytime they want. Real problems come up when people who do not own a sprint car start making up the rules. There is no difference in a ascs 360 than a open head 360. The only difference is the kickback going into the promotors back pocket. What is going to hirt the Jackson Sprint car count right now is the lowered purse. Redwood and Arlington need to get rid of IMCA and relax there rules to the same thing. Jackson could also just let everyone run the tire of there choice to. A owners meeting would be nice in the off-season would be nice to discuss these things openly with the promotor. Owners are the ones paying the bills on these high dollar thrill rides at the very least they should have there chance to voice themselves before any rule changes.



mccarl1
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March 06, 2007 at 11:33:52 PM
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Remember the good ole days of being able to run Rock rapids friday Jackson Saturday and Husets Sunday. To many rules are what killed sprint car racing in that area.



SJFast
March 07, 2007 at 04:47:16 AM
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I remember the "good ole days" when a guy, without sponsorship, could make a little money racing sprint cars. That was before Wissota, ASCS, and WoO decided that they were going to make sprint car racing "better". Smile


Fenders ? We don't need no stinking fenders !!!

Zero
March 07, 2007 at 08:40:20 AM
Joined: 01/04/2005
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Arlington is hard on outside cars due to the claim issue. I don't see things changing much in the near future. You get whet get when you go there. I have been there and on both sides of the fence for many many years. I think they like it that way and for the most part it works. The claim has been hard on sprints and other classes of cars alike. I have been there when you would have as few as 6-7 sprints nightly and there has been times as many as 15-20 would show up on a weekly basis. I think sprints are looked at differently there. To much of the crowd they are a bonus to a good race program that is fairly reasonable ($$) at the front gate. If you get 6 sprints or 16 it is still a good deal. The big Jackpot tour may draw a few extra cars or it may not but again for most part it does not matter. You pay a

little more to see basicly the same show.

I wish they would treat us to a few specials from time to time change the scenery.

TJG



z-man
March 07, 2007 at 08:51:23 AM
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First of all, ASCS is not for everybody. Was never intended to be. It is an alternative.

I just want to clear up a few statements that are not true.

#1 - For ASCS Regional competition in 2007, Chevy engines must have the ASCS heads or they can run the ASCS intake gasket providing they are running 23 degree cylinder heads. Ford and Chrysler engines have the option of the ASCS heads or the (2.10) inch sleeves because we have no ASCS intake gasket for these engines. For the ASCS National events, the ASCS heads are mandatory.

The statement of the gaskets not being allowed in regional competition after the 2007 season is not true. They will be.

Everybody was informed of the (1) year grace period for the Chevy sleeves. That period has passed. We averaged over (30) cars per event in the ASCS Northern Plains and Midwest regions last season. The ratio of ASCS heads vs open heads was (5) to (1) and is increasing every year because nobody builds a 360 engine with open heads anymore. I would venture to guess that any engine with open aluminum cylinder heads is probably close to (8) years old or older. There may be a few exceptions but not very many.

ASCS is not new. It's been around since 1992 and is growing every year. Like I said, it's not for everybody and not everybody is going to be happy with ASCS. That's reality. It's going to take a certain amount of finances to compete in the ASCS sprint car division. Not arguing that fact. Some can and want to do it, some don't. If there's enough interest in having a more economical sprint car division, somebody will move forward with it.

Right now, across the country, there's quite a bit of interest in the ASCS sprint cars and their rules package and it has been accepted by a large majority of race teams that have the desire to compete at that level, competitive wise and financially.

As far as questioning how a "unified" rules package will benefit the local race teams and/or promoters?

Look to a couple of other very fine and respected racing organizations who just happen to subside in our area of the country, Wissota and IMCA. Look at their unified stock car and modified rules packages and then attend any of their events. For example, the Mighty Axe Nationals held at the North Central Speedway in Brainerd, MN. in 2006. A record car count both nights of OVER (200) race cars each night.

You ask, "Why is everyone in such a hurry for all the car owners to contribute to Emmett Hahn's retirement fund?" This didn't happen overnight. This "alternative" rules package has been around and growing for the last (15) years...CZ



SJFast
March 07, 2007 at 12:49:24 PM
Joined: 12/03/2004
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Wissota and (probably) IMCA have a bunch of different classes for their stock cars. That explains the 200 car count deal. Other than the double-barrel class at Jackson and whatever rules the IMCA sprints run under there is only one sprint class....and that's for the dreamers that think they might want to run at Knoxville some day. Very few actually ever get there.

Maybe sprint car racing could benefit from some kind of "ladder series" like the stockers have. The ASCS 360 cars certainly aren't an "entry-level" class by any means.


Fenders ? We don't need no stinking fenders !!!

Michael 98A
March 07, 2007 at 02:16:44 PM
Joined: 11/30/2004
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Making my 1st trip there this year and bringing a few friends!

Bumper to Bumper Interstate Racing Association Outlaw Sprint Car Series scheduled to run Arlington Raceway on Saturday, July 28th.



z-man
March 07, 2007 at 02:51:26 PM
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SJFast,

You are correct. ASCS is not an entry level sprint car division. Wasn't designed to be and never will be.

As far as a "ladder" system, one already exists. You have the I-90 non wings with limited engines, Jackson's double barrel's, Arlington's IMCA sprints, ASCS 360's and the 410's. In my opinion, there's no need to add anymore to the mix...CZ



sprntr
March 07, 2007 at 04:13:11 PM
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Posted By: z-man on March 07 2007 at 08:51:23 AM

First of all, ASCS is not for everybody. Was never intended to be. It is an alternative.

I just want to clear up a few statements that are not true.

#1 - For ASCS Regional competition in 2007, Chevy engines must have the ASCS heads or they can run the ASCS intake gasket providing they are running 23 degree cylinder heads. Ford and Chrysler engines have the option of the ASCS heads or the (2.10) inch sleeves because we have no ASCS intake gasket for these engines. For the ASCS National events, the ASCS heads are mandatory.

The statement of the gaskets not being allowed in regional competition after the 2007 season is not true. They will be.

Everybody was informed of the (1) year grace period for the Chevy sleeves. That period has passed. We averaged over (30) cars per event in the ASCS Northern Plains and Midwest regions last season. The ratio of ASCS heads vs open heads was (5) to (1) and is increasing every year because nobody builds a 360 engine with open heads anymore. I would venture to guess that any engine with open aluminum cylinder heads is probably close to (8) years old or older. There may be a few exceptions but not very many.

ASCS is not new. It's been around since 1992 and is growing every year. Like I said, it's not for everybody and not everybody is going to be happy with ASCS. That's reality. It's going to take a certain amount of finances to compete in the ASCS sprint car division. Not arguing that fact. Some can and want to do it, some don't. If there's enough interest in having a more economical sprint car division, somebody will move forward with it.

Right now, across the country, there's quite a bit of interest in the ASCS sprint cars and their rules package and it has been accepted by a large majority of race teams that have the desire to compete at that level, competitive wise and financially.

As far as questioning how a "unified" rules package will benefit the local race teams and/or promoters?

Look to a couple of other very fine and respected racing organizations who just happen to subside in our area of the country, Wissota and IMCA. Look at their unified stock car and modified rules packages and then attend any of their events. For example, the Mighty Axe Nationals held at the North Central Speedway in Brainerd, MN. in 2006. A record car count both nights of OVER (200) race cars each night.

You ask, "Why is everyone in such a hurry for all the car owners to contribute to Emmett Hahn's retirement fund?" This didn't happen overnight. This "alternative" rules package has been around and growing for the last (15) years...CZ



#1 I did not say that the gaskets won't be allowed for 2007.

I said: "Only those with ASCS heads or Gaskets are legal in the ASCS Northern Plains THIS year. Only those with ASCS HEADS are legal for ASCS National races this year and everyone will have to have the heads next year in ALL ASCS regions next year."

This year is 2007. Next year will be 2008.



z-man
March 07, 2007 at 05:28:03 PM
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sprntr,

Your quote:

"...and everyone will have to have the heads next year in ALL ASCS regions next year."

My response:

"The statement of the gaskets not being allowed in regional competition after the 2007 season is not true. They will be..."

The gaskets WILL BE allowed in 2008 and beyond at the ASCS regional events...CZ



sprntr
March 07, 2007 at 05:49:44 PM
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Posted By: z-man on March 07 2007 at 05:28:03 PM

sprntr,

Your quote:

"...and everyone will have to have the heads next year in ALL ASCS regions next year."

My response:

"The statement of the gaskets not being allowed in regional competition after the 2007 season is not true. They will be..."

The gaskets WILL BE allowed in 2008 and beyond at the ASCS regional events...CZ



I stand corrected. This is indeed good financial news for those of us who have other heads.

Was there a change made in the rules?

We were led to believe that we had a one year grace period with restrictors, two years with gaskets and in the third year that everyone would have to have ASCS heads to compete in Northern Plains Regional races.



StanM
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March 07, 2007 at 05:59:54 PM
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This message was edited on March 07, 2007 at 06:02:35 PM by StanM

I went to Arlington a couple of times last summer and saw some pretty good racing. There was close to 20 sprints there both nights and the rest of the classes put on a good show. Bob always does a good job prepping the track and it held up pretty well until maybe the last couple of races when it started to rubber up. The grandstand there doesn't look very big and they that might be holding them back from having many of the big shows there. The lighting is adequate but if they do any upgrades that would be at the top of my list as well. It's hard to get a good picture there after dark except for a couple of spots unless a guy has one of those Norman strobes. A $1,500 strobe isn't in my budget when I'm driving to the track in a $1,000 truck Smile


I have always liked Arlington, every track his it's strong points and areas where they could use a little tweaking. Overall Arlington is a fun place to watch racing if you decide to run out and watch Sprints at the last minute. That IRA show will be a dandy.

Stan Meissner

www.gotomn.com


Pittroll
March 07, 2007 at 06:47:35 PM
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The main thing that keeps people away from Arlingrton is the claim rule and the rough style racing a few of the locals like to do to visiting teams. I have attended a few races there and some non locals showed up and by the time the heats were over we were ready to load up and go home. We recieved more damage to 2 cars in 2 heat races then we did running a feature at another track. If the locals were up for some outside racers coming in and not tring to destroy there cars mabe more would attend.



sprntr
March 07, 2007 at 06:57:09 PM
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Posted By: Pittroll on March 07 2007 at 06:47:35 PM

The main thing that keeps people away from Arlingrton is the claim rule and the rough style racing a few of the locals like to do to visiting teams. I have attended a few races there and some non locals showed up and by the time the heats were over we were ready to load up and go home. We recieved more damage to 2 cars in 2 heat races then we did running a feature at another track. If the locals were up for some outside racers coming in and not tring to destroy there cars mabe more would attend.



What class was that? We raced our Sprinter there for two years and the only damage we ever had was our own fault, or a least my driver's fault! LOL





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