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chad1888
July 24, 2021 at 12:15:40 PM
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Aside from purse, which we know the outlaws have that, are the All Stars creeping up on being the premier winged 410 series?  It seems race in race out the features have been very good, minus a couple of rubbered up tracks. You have every race watchable from your couch like the outlaws.  Plus you have this group of young hungry drivers laying it all on the line to win.  It has been a fun year so far.




HoldenCaulfield
July 24, 2021 at 01:45:44 PM
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I know I'm in the minority but I prefer the all-stars. They have a really good group of cars and drivers, and are more on par budget and equipment wise with the top local teams in the country. Fantastic race at LOS last night! Hopefully the ASCOC can keep adding big paying shows and keep their talented drivers and team owners. I think it says something when teams like the 18 and 39 decide to head half-way across the country to race with the all stars instead of following the WOO to Williams Grove(from Lernerville).


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steelcityguy
July 24, 2021 at 03:24:45 PM
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The All Stars are consistenly putting on fantastic shows.  Last night was just another in a long line.  I too will take the ASCoC over the WoO every day of the week.




dsc1600
July 24, 2021 at 04:17:31 PM
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By what measure are the All stars bigger than the Outlaws? We're not talking preference here, but facts. Purses, crowds, sponsors, social media, Crown Jewels, driver and team quality, all in favor of the Outlaws. 



Nick14
July 24, 2021 at 05:14:01 PM
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I would say both are great series and being in Ohio I get to see plenty of both. I prefer Outlaws slightly over the All Stars cause in most cases most All Star teams show up to the Outlaw shows here. Both have put on great races especially on the non 1/2 miles. Really aside from maybe a handful of races both series have a majority of races that go down to the wire. 

All Stars have been a great series especially since Tony's team resurrected it. But the Outlaws have improved from where they are and really you don't have to choose. If either are in your area it's not a bad choice to buy a ticket



butcher69
July 24, 2021 at 05:17:25 PM
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I always preferred the All-Stars over the WoO.....still do.




larsonfan
July 24, 2021 at 05:56:17 PM
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I know I'm in the minority but I prefer the all-stars. They have a really good group of cars and drivers, and are more on par budget and equipment wise with the top local teams in the country. Fantastic race at LOS last night! Hopefully the ASCOC can keep adding big paying shows and keep their talented drivers and team owners. I think it says something when teams like the 18 and 39 decide to head half-way across the country to race with the all stars instead of following the WOO to Williams Grove(from Lernerville).



Agree with all this. Great point about Gio and Bell/SSL cars. Hope they don't lose the Rudeen 26 and 7BC cars to the he Outlaws next year. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict Tanner Holmes runs with All Stars next year. Hope so. 



StanM
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July 24, 2021 at 07:27:20 PM
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This message was edited on July 24, 2021 at 07:33:56 PM by StanM

I pick the best show available on any given night.  Last week it was the Outlaws at Eldora, this week I'm flipping between the All Stars and Outlaws, some weekends it's USAC or the IRA depending on the track and who is running with them.  Some nights it's Knoxville weekly and a while back it was the Late Model dream.  Every now and then I go out and catch a special at the track.  Weekly racing around me is usually Modifieds and Stock Cars and Late Models don't use the open motors and it's hard to sit through six or seven classes so TV is usually better.

As far as Outlaws vs All Stars events like Ohio Speedweek it's going to be All Stars.  I live near Granite City in Minnesota where they were pulling backup cars out of haulers to make a race.  In a case like that even though it's only a little over an hour I stayed home and watched Knoxville because I could see the low car count coming knowing the local Sprint scene.  It's not so much either or as the best show on any given night.  The WoO has the big bucks and sponsors but some of their shows where there aren't many 410's don't hold my attention as well as a 40 car All Star show.  A lot of times like last night the timing was right and I watched both the All Stars and WoO Features.  Some people use more than one devise so they can watch two or three at a time.  I just time it with the remote but if there are two must see shows I will have use the TV and laptop.  


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dsc1600
July 24, 2021 at 09:12:36 PM
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Posted By: larsonfan on July 24 2021 at 05:56:17 PM

Agree with all this. Great point about Gio and Bell/SSL cars. Hope they don't lose the Rudeen 26 and 7BC cars to the he Outlaws next year. I'm gonna go out on a limb and predict Tanner Holmes runs with All Stars next year. Hope so. 



Scelzi has run about 80% of woo races this year and his team is based in the midwest. So it's not like they made a conscious decision to drop from one tour for the other because of some preference. Lake Ozark is closer to the teams base than Williams Grove. 




JJRFan
July 24, 2021 at 10:07:43 PM
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While they have put on some great racing over the past couple years, none of those teams would pose as a nightly threat 80 races a year with the WoO at this time. Sunshine I think has about the same raw talent as Sheldon, but he's still pretty green to our racing. I think it would be a mistake for the 7BC to go full time with the Outlaws in '22 as he's still got some experience to gather under a winged 410. I'd say the 26 is pretty content with staying with the ASCoC as they have a pretty good deal promoting the Rayce Rudeen foundation regularly with the regional based series + the Rayce Rudeen Foundation Race is now a staple with the series. I also wouldn't comfortably pit the 26 ahead of Kraig Kinser and he's on the edge of top 10 in points.



StanM
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July 24, 2021 at 10:26:45 PM
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Speaking of watching a bunch of Features tonight's marathon kept me pretty busy. I went back and forth between WoO and All Star Heats, watched both of those Features in their entirety and was done with the All Stars in time for the Knoxville 410 Feature replay.  I am retired and watch racing every night of the week and a lot of racing shows on YouTube as well.  They were all good races tonight.  Meanwhile I occasionally will get text messages from people out at the local track or ask about something via text.   54th Knoxville 410 win for Brown, it has been a good night watching races.  It's all good.


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revjimk
July 24, 2021 at 10:35:04 PM
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Depends on what "visitors" they have. There have definitely been some nites when I chose Allstars over WoO, especially when guys like Rico & Larson show up (duh... ) even Dietrich. I guess that means Ohio Speedweek... oh yea, Tusky 50 too!

Ordinary nite, I'll take WoO

But I went to an Allstar race at Attica & loved it, & like to catch them live in Pa  when I can




cheroger
July 24, 2021 at 11:11:42 PM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 24 2021 at 04:17:31 PM

By what measure are the All stars bigger than the Outlaws? We're not talking preference here, but facts. Purses, crowds, sponsors, social media, Crown Jewels, driver and team quality, all in favor of the Outlaws. 



Generaly car counts are the measure that makes the All Stars a better choice.  Often the WoO barely has enough for 3 heat races and no last chance race.  But they still ask a premium for admission.



fiXXXer
July 25, 2021 at 01:19:52 AM
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Posted By: JJRFan on July 24 2021 at 10:07:43 PM

While they have put on some great racing over the past couple years, none of those teams would pose as a nightly threat 80 races a year with the WoO at this time. Sunshine I think has about the same raw talent as Sheldon, but he's still pretty green to our racing. I think it would be a mistake for the 7BC to go full time with the Outlaws in '22 as he's still got some experience to gather under a winged 410. I'd say the 26 is pretty content with staying with the ASCoC as they have a pretty good deal promoting the Rayce Rudeen foundation regularly with the regional based series + the Rayce Rudeen Foundation Race is now a staple with the series. I also wouldn't comfortably pit the 26 ahead of Kraig Kinser and he's on the edge of top 10 in points.



I agree with this. A lot of people over the years have thought they were outlaw ready just to go out with them and find out that they aren't nearly as close as they thought. It's one thing to take them on a few times a year at tracks that you're familiar with but it's a totally different ballgame when you step into their world full time. The rubber meets the road when you tow into some track you've never seen and the seasoned WoO teams go out and click off lap times that would make you think they race there weekly if you didn't know any better. Matching that intensity night in and night out from February to November while criss crossing the country is a task that quite frankly, most fans don't give enough credit to. Talking to Joey Saldana about this very thing one night at Williams Grove really opened my eyes as to how crazy difficult it is to do what they do and do it well enough to be a contender. Makes you really appreciate how a guy like Steve Kinser was able to do it year after year for decades and still keep that fire burning.



sprintcarkelly
July 25, 2021 at 01:57:19 AM
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I wish they raced here in CA because they would enjoy racing on our tracks! I have never seen an All Star race in person, just on Flo. I do enoy when the Outlaws come here and they always put on a good show. I also am a fan of the All Stars announcer as well as Johnny Gibson! 


Looking forward to the new Golden State King of the 
West series schedule! 

Winged sprintcars = the fastest and most exciting 
racecars on dirt! 


sw1911
July 25, 2021 at 10:08:17 AM
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Posted By: dsc1600 on July 24 2021 at 04:17:31 PM

By what measure are the All stars bigger than the Outlaws? We're not talking preference here, but facts. Purses, crowds, sponsors, social media, Crown Jewels, driver and team quality, all in favor of the Outlaws. 



Seems like you mentioned everything but the quality of the racing. 


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dsc1600
July 25, 2021 at 11:18:31 AM
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Posted By: sw1911 on July 25 2021 at 10:08:17 AM

Seems like you mentioned everything but the quality of the racing. 



yes Because the racing with the Outlaws sucks. Race quality is subjective, unlike the other factors I mentioned. 



Kingpin2014
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July 25, 2021 at 12:28:38 PM
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Posted By: JJRFan on July 24 2021 at 10:07:43 PM

While they have put on some great racing over the past couple years, none of those teams would pose as a nightly threat 80 races a year with the WoO at this time. Sunshine I think has about the same raw talent as Sheldon, but he's still pretty green to our racing. I think it would be a mistake for the 7BC to go full time with the Outlaws in '22 as he's still got some experience to gather under a winged 410. I'd say the 26 is pretty content with staying with the ASCoC as they have a pretty good deal promoting the Rayce Rudeen foundation regularly with the regional based series + the Rayce Rudeen Foundation Race is now a staple with the series. I also wouldn't comfortably pit the 26 ahead of Kraig Kinser and he's on the edge of top 10 in points.



Wel the only evidence really needed is Reutzal dominated the ASCOC the last 3 years, racked up a lot of wins, and is in 7th in points on the WoO tour. He's picked up a few nice wins to be sure and is fast but just shows the gap.

 

Now if you want to talk about the entertainment of the show or whatever, that's a subjective thing. I greatly enjoy both ASCoC and WoO races, both are awesome. If I had to chose one over the other for a night to attend, I'd go with the WoO race




glhayden
July 25, 2021 at 08:28:39 PM
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Posted By: cheroger on July 24 2021 at 11:11:42 PM

Generaly car counts are the measure that makes the All Stars a better choice.  Often the WoO barely has enough for 3 heat races and no last chance race.  But they still ask a premium for admission.



All Stars have 19 cars at Humboldt Raceway, Kansas tonight...barely enough for 3 heat races and no last chance race. But they still ask a premium for admission @ $40.



railfan33
July 25, 2021 at 08:52:30 PM
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Posted By: glhayden on July 25 2021 at 08:28:39 PM

All Stars have 19 cars at Humboldt Raceway, Kansas tonight...barely enough for 3 heat races and no last chance race. But they still ask a premium for admission @ $40.



And how many cars do you think would be there if it was a WoO race? Not a lot of 410's in Kansas.





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